🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

Indeed. But Russia descending into chaos is almost certainly a good thing for Ukraine. The more Russians start to kill each other inside Russia, the more demoralized and disorganized the Russian troops on the frontline will start to become.
Hopefully it could eventually lead to abandoning the war and securing back home instead. This is terrible news for Putin with the “special” operation going on for so long and taking backward steps having wasted a ton of resources and now a major distraction.
 
Hopefully it could eventually lead to abandoning the war and securing back home instead. This is terrible news for Putin with the “special” operation going on for so long and taking backward steps having wasted a ton of resources and now a major distraction.
This is what I want as well. Going to be harder for Russia to win if they are fighting themselves as well, lol.
 
If Putin is ousted, who takes over? Do the oligarchs have a plan or will there be infighting? I’m not sure if Russia is better off with a dictator or in chaos. Granted there is always some degree of chaos there.

I mean, this is a coup. Its pretty clear Prigozhin is going have to take over. Russia would only be switching one to another. And Putin has made it clear that Prigozhin is going to have to remove him if Prigozhin wants to live.
 
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Guess he was just making a point????
 
Guess that's one way to get what you want. I suppose the Ukraine war will be uglier now with better men in charge. :(
 
Guess that's one way to get what you want. I suppose the Ukraine war will be uglier now with better men in charge. :(

Prigozhin did say yesterday or the day before that Putin has been lied about Ukraine and that there's no reason for Russians to be there.
 
Prigozhin did say yesterday or the day before that Putin has been lied about Ukraine and that there's no reason for Russians to be there.
I saw that, too, but then someone somewhere else commented that Prigozhin doesn't want to pull out of Ukraine so which is it? I'm so confused. :cry:
 
Prigozhin did say yesterday or the day before that Putin has been lied about Ukraine and that there's no reason for Russians to be there.

Man was saying what he was saying to get popular support. This was a power play, and I'm not entirely sure it is over.
 
So now Prigozhin is going to Belarus. Is that an exile? Or a different command?
 
Just saw he’s pulled out. Hard to keep up with this. I was hoping for longer infighting to give Ukrainian troops a break.
 
Just saw he’s pulled out. Hard to keep up with this. I was hoping for longer infighting to give Ukrainian troops a break.
Me, too. Maybe they will at least gain some ground. :(
 
I just don't understand how Prigozhin walks away alive. The MoD absolutely cannot trust the Wagners they are conscripting, which seems to be what this whole affair is about. And doubly, cannot be trusted while Prigozhin is still breathing.
 
I just don't understand how Prigozhin walks away alive. The MoD absolutely cannot trust the Wagners they are conscripting, which seems to be what this whole affair is about. And doubly, cannot be trusted while Prigozhin is still breathing.
Im sure there was backdoor stuff we'll find out a long time from now. Maybe Putin cut a deal because this guy had a legit chance of getting him. Who knows?
 
There's just so much we don't know about the current situation, but I think this is an overall plus for Ukraine and a minus for Putin's invasion.

First off, it "seems" clear that the Wagner group will be mostly disbanded. I don't see how they integrate into the Russian military. This is bad for Russia and good for Ukraine.

Secondly, the emperor's clothes are starting to show some transparency. The Kremlin drone episode was embarrassing for Putin, but this is a much, much more serious kick in the teeth and the response of the "strong man" Putin; reportedly leaving Moscow when contrasted with Zelensky's comment that he needed guns and not a ticket is a very, very poor look. It gives us much more of an idea about who and who doesn't have fortitude and belief in their cause.

Finally, if I'm part of the intelligence community, I am ALL OVER how to exploit this. There has got to be a TON of information going back and forth, troop movements, etc. I've got dollars to dimes that says US and other NATO intelligence agencies are mining everything they can to give Ukraine every advantage possible in this moment of upheaval.

The real shame is that we didn't move faster in getting Ukraine the kind of advanced weaponry they needed to fully take advantage of this situation. I know it's Monday morning quarterbacking, but the horns have been blaring for quite some time that the Biden administration, however supportive they've been....and they have been, moved too slow in providing the offensive capabilities Ukraine really needed to win this war. These kinds of supply chains and training take time and now we know a real opportunity was missed.
 
Good to see Putin feeling vulnerable after all his actions. Wagner seemed to get through Moscow a lot faster than Russia got through Ukraine.
Lol, right? I wish he had just kept going.
 
Lol, right? I wish he had just kept going.
Hopefully it means he will be a bit more reluctant to start attacking other countries now that he knows he isn’t 100% secure himself.
 

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