12 killed in Colorado shooting at Dark Knight Rises premiere - Part 1

[TheDreamMaster]

http://news.yahoo.com/aurora-shooti...-birthday-205219708--abc-news-topstories.html
This is just so terrible. That tweet is heartbreaking.

God....man social media really has become something when we can see up to the very last moments of a persons life. My heart goes out to all the families, and I'll keep them in my thoughts as I have since this all started. I sincerely hope Holmes gets the full extent of punishment for this crime.

 

[runawayboulder]

It's a way to honor those who were killed/harmed. All of whom, it could be assumed were Batman fans, themselves.

Me and the many other people who I know who have seen it, found it to be moving -- not disrespectful.

It's not blending fantasy and reality. It's not saying Batman is a real person. It's just symbolic. I believe there was a similar picture four years ago with Batman mourning the death of Heath Ledger (who died during a Batman film).

I don't think there should be an argument over "the right way to try and honor the dead." Any anger should be directed toward the monster who committed this act and at him alone.

If I were commercializing this picture or monitoring it -- then, yes, I'd see the disrespect. But I think showing the character these people died seeing honoring them is moving, not disrespectful.

-R

Just so you know, the mods made several warnings about posting Batman pics. I'd go back and edit that if I was you.

 

[Immortalfire]

I'm getting tired of seeing the word "allegedly," when referring to this nutcase. I read the story about a guy whose birthday was at the midnight show, and they wrote "died allegedly at hands of Holmes"

He did it. Go ahead and say so, media.

 

[regwec]

Well, it's due process. He's not guilty until he has pleaded so, or it has been proven. But I agree, it sounds ridiculous.

 

[FreeRadical]

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I sometimes watch this show over here in the UK. It explains what the news media does after an event like this.

The psychiatrist at the end has some good points, especially why showing photos of the killer is a bad idea.

 

[cherokeesam]

Forgive me if this sounds like I'm focusing on a very trivial aspect of all this, because I don't think it's trivial at all:

....since when did Joker have red hair?

This dude allegedly says he's "The Joker," but he dyes his hair *red* instead of *green?* And the getup he's in looks more like Bane, and *nothing* like Joker? Not even facepaint?

I ask this, because I'm having a hard time believing that a guy who's probably one of the world's true evil geniuses, and who is *allegedly* obsessed with The Joker....can't even get the costume right????

There's a major malfunction in his brain, all right. But I call complete and total B.S. on these stories about him thinking he's The Joker. Unless that's just misdirection on his part.

 

[Spider - Man]

Thats just it. Colorado has a system in place that allows someone to do what they just did through perfectly legal means even after the columbine fiasco. Most systems can live with exceptions or even aberrations to the norm. Today this just proved that this isnt one of them. Your 0.00000000000000001% just tried killing as many people as the bullets he could physically and legally carry would let him. You cant simply trust caliber weapons on someones good judgement. A persons mental makeup is not something that is easily quantifiable and that is guaranteed to be constant with time.

There can be some sort of middle ground possibly, but this system is too delicate to simply ignore the cases where someone with the intent of killing many can legally obtain the means to do so. Unfortunately we cant say well its just 12 dead out of millions of Americans so its an acceptable casualty and therefore the gun control system works. The president was on tv talking about it and its an unacceptable loss that promotes terror. Its a tragedy & this isnt something that can be swept under the rug. Lets see this psycho be just as efficient when its more difficult and expensive to score all the gear he had at the theatre and probably has in his apt.

I wouldn't call what he did efficient and thank God for that. I told my wife it's a miracle that he fired over 100 rounds and no more died than did. But What if he simply got in his car and started running down pedestrians all over town? What do we ban then?

 

[terry78]

Forgive me if this sounds like I'm focusing on a very trivial aspect of all this, because I don't think it's trivial at all:

....since when did Joker have red hair?

This dude allegedly says he's "The Joker," but he dyes his hair *red* instead of *green?* And the getup he's in looks more like Bane, and *nothing* like Joker? Not even facepaint?

I ask this, because I'm having a hard time believing that a guy who's probably one of the world's true evil geniuses, and who is *allegedly* obsessed with The Joker....can't even get the costume right????

There's a major malfunction in his brain, all right. But I call complete and total B.S. on these stories about him thinking he's The Joker. Unless that's just misdirection on his part.

That right there shows how crazy he is.

 

[Matt]

I think that he is trying to set himself up for the insanity defense to avoid the death penalty. That is what all this Joker nonsense is, IMO. The way that he said it and then basically clammed up, it feels very calculated.

 

[enterthemadness]

But I wouldn't care one bit if all weapons were outlawed to own by US citizens. Or at least put severe limits on what can be owned legally. Extremely severe. But oh so many crybabies without a legimate reason want to have an arsenal.

No, that's taking it too far. I'm sure Obama or Romney would love to piss on the constiution even more, but this is a health issue, not a gun issue. Now if people need to study, take like 3 exams orally or written before being cleared to own a gun, maybe. But guns don't kill people. People kill people.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

No, that's taking it too far. I'm sure Obama or Romney would love to piss on the constiution even more, but this is a health issue, not a gun issue. Now if people need to study, take like 3 exams orally or written before being cleared to own a gun, maybe. But guns don't kill people. People kill people.

People kill people, but guns help a lot. This guy wouldn't have killed twelve people with a knife.

I'm sorry, but if I see that "guns don't kill people..." cliche one more time I'll scream. I'm tired of seeing it repeated here and on my Facebook ad nauseum like its some original thought or profound mantra. By that silly logic everyone should have nuke access codes, because y'know people kill people, not nukes.

Now like I said before I'm not in favor of outlawing ALL guns, but no one needs an automatic weapon that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute to go sports hunting. Enough with your killing-machine entitlements.

 

[terry78]

If more people had a gun in that situation you would have just had more bullets flying around people. Just because you get a permit don't mean you can shoot like ****ing Hawkeye.

 

[Matt]

People kill people, but guns help a lot. This guy wouldn't have killed twelve people with a knife.

I'm sorry, but if I see that "guns don't kill people..." cliche one more time I'll scream. I'm tired of seeing it repeated here and on my Facebook ad nauseum like its some original thought or profound mantra. By that silly logic everyone should have nuke access codes, because y'know people kill people, not nukes.

Now like I said before I'm not in favor of outlawing ALL guns, but no one needs an automatic weapon that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute to go sports hunting. Enough with your killing-machine entitlements.

Triple J, for once we agree. Guns may not kill people but they are certainly the preferred weapon of choice of killers. No one and I mean absolutely no civilian needs a weapon that can fire 30 bullets in 7 seconds (as an AR-15 can). If collectors want to own such a weapon (which is the only excuse that is even somewhat valid), it should have to be a version of weapon that cannot be fired, basically a dummy.

 

[Kanon]

Forgive me if this sounds like I'm focusing on a very trivial aspect of all this, because I don't think it's trivial at all:

....since when did Joker have red hair?

This dude allegedly says he's "The Joker," but he dyes his hair *red* instead of *green?* And the getup he's in looks more like Bane, and *nothing* like Joker? Not even facepaint?

I ask this, because I'm having a hard time believing that a guy who's probably one of the world's true evil geniuses, and who is *allegedly* obsessed with The Joker....can't even get the costume right????

There's a major malfunction in his brain, all right. But I call complete and total B.S. on these stories about him thinking he's The Joker. Unless that's just misdirection on his part.

All we know is that he said he was the Joker, but probably it was just a way to taunt the officers when he was arrested and prompted for his name, not that he believes to actually be the Joker. The hair color might be totally unrelated for all we know.

And I wouldn't call him a genius. Yeah, he planned it well, but he didn't attacked a fortress. just went against an unprotected, unsuspecting target. An obvious one, as many people felt that something like this might happen, he just was crazy/evil enough to do it...

 

[zanos]

Forgive me if this sounds like I'm focusing on a very trivial aspect of all this, because I don't think it's trivial at all:

....since when did Joker have red hair?

This dude allegedly says he's "The Joker," but he dyes his hair *red* instead of *green?* And the getup he's in looks more like Bane, and *nothing* like Joker? Not even facepaint?

I ask this, because I'm having a hard time believing that a guy who's probably one of the world's true evil geniuses, and who is *allegedly* obsessed with The Joker....can't even get the costume right????

There's a major malfunction in his brain, all right. But I call complete and total B.S. on these stories about him thinking he's The Joker. Unless that's just misdirection on his part.

Didn't the joker wear a red wig in TDK?

 

[Grillz]

People kill people, but guns help a lot. This guy wouldn't have killed twelve people with a knife.

I'm sorry, but if I see that "guns don't kill people..." cliche one more time I'll scream. I'm tired of seeing it repeated here and on my Facebook ad nauseum like its some original thought or profound mantra. By that silly logic everyone should have nuke access codes, because y'know people kill people, not nukes.

Now like I said before I'm not in favor of outlawing ALL guns, but no one needs an automatic weapon that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute to go sports hunting. Enough with your killing-machine entitlements.

QFT This is how people need to start thinking. This and hundreds of other cases prove that people + guns= death. You think that between Columbine and 9/11 we would have gotten a bit more strict with weapons in general instead of mass paranoia. (Before anyone says anything, no I'm not saying anything else can't harm or kill people, and I'm not saying anything about the politicts from 1999 to today)

 

[SuperFerret]

No different than Spider-man reacting to and mourning the victims of 9/11.

-R

Which was also terribly disrespectful.

I think that he is trying to set himself up for the insanity defense to avoid the death penalty. That is what all this Joker nonsense is, IMO. The way that he said it and then basically clammed up, it feels very calculated.

I hate that insanity is considered a defense to avoid the death penalty. If someone is dangerously insane, that sounds like more of a reason to have them put down.

 

[Bill]

Triple J, for once we agree. Guns may not kill people but they are certainly the preferred weapon of choice of killers. No one and I mean absolutely no civilian needs a weapon that can fire 30 bullets in 7 seconds (as an AR-15 can). If collectors want to own such a weapon (which is the only excuse that is even somewhat valid), it should have to be a version of weapon that cannot be fired, basically a dummy.

You mean an M16/M4. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic only version that can only fire one round when the trigger is pulled. That's what he had in hand. There are other semi-auto rifles on the market that bear no resemblance to the AR15, dubbed an "assault rifle" by the press, yet can fire at the same rate and are more powerful.

I can sincerely hope that people don't move on to household objects and chemicals as implements of death as the "ban it and it will get rid of the problem" mentality that seems to permeate some will start affecting them in ways they may not like.

 

[terry78]

Which was also terribly disrespectful.



I hate that insanity is considered a defense to avoid the death penalty. If someone is dangerously insane, that sounds like more of a reason to have them put down.

They pretty much take a running gag jab at that whole concept in the books with the Joker, period.

 

[Matt]

You mean an M16/M4. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic only version that can only fire one round when the trigger is pulled. That's what he had in hand. There are other semi-auto rifles on the market that bear no resemblance to the AR15, dubbed an "assault rifle" by the press, yet can fire at the same rate and are more powerful.

I can sincerely hope that people don't move on to household objects and chemicals as implements of death as the "ban it and it will get rid of the problem" mentality that seems to permeate some will start affecting them in ways they may not like.

I've read an AR15 is capable of 7 per second.

As for the second part of your article, I call B.S.. Household objects and chemicals serve other purposes. Anything can be weaponized but a gun is a weapon. Its only purpose is to kill. It serves no other purpose.

 

[Darthphere]

I just posted on Facebook that I really wish gun advocates would read the 2nd Amendment. Unless we're rising up against the government or protecting our country from the Russians, we have no right to own weapons. Of course, like most things in the Constitution things have been warped and changed to suit the needs of certain groups.

 

[Matt]

I just posted on Facebook that I really wish gun advocates would read the 2nd Amendment. Unless we're rising up against the government or protecting our country from the Russians, we have no right to own weapons. Of course, like most things in the Constitution things have been warped and changed to suit the needs of certain groups.

Even then it is obsolete. As I said in the Second Amendment thread, if the government were to turn on us or if we were invaded by a foreign enemy, guns really wouldn't do much good. Guns have become the equivalent to throwing pebbles in modern warfare. If there were a war on U.S. soil, we'd have tanks rolling down the street and choppers flying overhead. An assault rifle isn't going to do a hell of a lot. The sentiment behind the Second Amendment is good, but it is obsolete. When the Constitution was written a group of farmers with muskets were as well armed as the best military in the world. The rules have changed. Unless every citizen is going to start driving tanks and owning bomber jets, we aren't able to defend ourselves from foreign invasion or tyrannical oppressors.

 

[Belvedere]

I hate that insanity is considered a defense to avoid the death penalty. If someone is dangerously insane, that sounds like more of a reason to have them put down.

If their insanity is something that is entirely out of their control (not that I'm saying that is the case in this instance) then surely you see the problem in sentencing someone to death for actions committed under the influence of said insanity?

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I wouldn't call what he did efficient and thank God for that. I told my wife it's a miracle that he fired over 100 rounds and no more died than did. But What if he simply got in his car and started running down pedestrians all over town? What do we ban then?

Establishing licensing standards equivalent to what is required to drive a car would be a sane reasonable step. An assault weapons ban and a limit to how many weapons any one person can possess is also a reasonable step.

The problem of course is that this country is literally awash in guns. The gun manufacturers and the NRA have been able to create and maintain a virtually free market for guns of almost any kind in the US, with so many loopholes in many states that its possible for anyone to stockpile an arsenal with relative ease. The grey and black markets, of course, are a total free for all, with unlimited stocks.

And gun culture has only grown over the last 50 years to the point that any real restrictions on gun purchases is highly unlikely. The horse is out of the barn, and theres no getting rid of the existing number of weapons already out there, and little hope of drastic changes in existing law.

I have to laugh at the idea of laws that allow more people to carry concealed weapons. The foolishness, nay insanity, of this suggestion has been pointed out elsewhere and often, so Ill skip it, but its telling that these are the kinds of solutions we are reduced to in this country.

Heres a quip from Homer Simpson: "To alcohol: The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!" Just substitute "guns" for "alcohol" and you get my point. Insane and depressing.

Regardless of policy or politics, my deepest sympathies for those who have been directly affected by this tragedy. I pray they find some solace in the comfort given by family and friends.

 

[Matt]

Which was also terribly disrespectful.

Not to mention that Marvel (or their artists) didn't release that the day of 9/11. They waited.

Still, the pictures are better than the idiotic suggestion made yesterday that Christian Bale should dress up as Batman and go speak to the victims and promise to make the man who did it pay.

I hate that insanity is considered a defense to avoid the death penalty. If someone is dangerously insane, that sounds like more of a reason to have them put down.

If their insanity is something that is entirely out of their control (not that I'm saying that is the case in this instance) then surely you see the problem in sentencing someone to death for actions committed under the influence of said insanity?

It is not like the insanity defense is common. It is attempted in less than 1 % of cases and it is successful only 20 % of those times. It is successful in LESS THAN 0.2% of cases.