12 killed in Colorado shooting at Dark Knight Rises premiere - Part 1

[Beskie]

Decided to register just to say something on this case after viewing quite a few opinions and looking over all the detail's. If he was as smart as the evidence shows it would have been a lot worse if he went there to have a desire to create devastation, he would have used the grenades w/weapons without much strategy. I belive he did not go there to take lifes at all, but something else kind of a message through experimenting with chemical drugs or brainwashing, but thankfully he didn't

 

[Kelly]

Who cares? He questioned the actual courage of the people in the movie theater. Here's the statement (which he has since deleted) he put on his Facebook page:



Invoking Flight 93 (not to mention thinking those were all men)? Really?

I hate this argument. I don't want a gun. I don't want to carry one, and I don't want to shoot one. I shouldn't have to carry one to the movies, to a restaurant, or anywhere else.

I've stayed out of the gun debate because I can't stand it. But I don't want a damn gun.

Had it been a handgun that was not able to put out 100s of rounds in seconds....YEAH, someone could have done something....but a gun spraying bullets like it did.....is he crazy...no one could stand up, they didn't have a chance.....and it looks like that it was in fact tear gas that was in the canisters, so they also couldn't see very well.

And President Calderon needs to shut the **** up in Mexico....he can't even take care of his own country.....

OK, I'm done....lol

 

[Marvolo]

Thank you!!! Someone on here gets it. The .223 round is a standard hunting round. The AR15 is used in night hunts when wild boars/hogs are destroying farmland.
I own three myself and I enjoy the sport of shooting target. It does not make me feel like a bad ass at the gun range. I don't feel like a tough guy when I'm using one as someone assumed earlier. People ask why do you want or need one? Why do you collect comics, statues, games, movies or toys? I am a gun collector and I enjoy shooting my collection at the gun range.

Whats funny is people are worried about .223 rounds in an AR15 but anyone can go by a lever gun chambered in .30-30 which is essentially a semi AK47 or a bolt action rifle chambered in .30-06 which is a sniper rifle. People dont mind them tho because they dont LOOK like military aitomatic weapons. People are too worried about the looks of a gun more than the actual logistics of a gun. If it was up to me gun safety and basic gun knowledge would be mandatory. Everyone should know the basics. I feel it would help alleviate a lot of fears people have due to lack of knowledge.

 

[Kable24]

Hey, if the AR 15 can be made to only shoot 6 rounds at a time.....more power to it....I don't really care what the gun is called, the caliber used, whatever.....but the amount of ammunition that some of these weapons can put out in a few seconds is not good, and that needs to change. The fact that this guy was able to buy armor piercing bullets is ridiculously stupid.....it is moronic that we have that available to the public....totally moronic.

So now we blame the manufacturers of high capacity magazines and bullets?

 

[danoyse]

I'm not calling anyone a coward in that situation. I thought it was being implied that why didn't anyone shoot back. The situation might have been different if a few had conceal carry licenses and were carrying.
In states that recognize CCW or open carry, crime rates are low because criminals are afraid of being shot. Crime in England went up 300% when they banned guns. If our current regime in Washington decides to ban guns, this country is going to become a cesspool for all kinds of crime.

"The men of Flight 93" didn't have guns either. But he pointed that out as an example of courage.

 

[Kable24]

Whats funny is people are worried about .223 rounds in an AR15 but anyone can go by a lever gun chambered in .30-30 which is essentially a semi AK47 or a bolt action rifle chambered in .30-06 which is a sniper rifle. People dont mind them tho because they dont LOOK like military aitomatic weapons. People are too worried about the looks of a gun more than the actual logistics of a gun.

Exactly right. If the AR15 didn't look like a military rifle, people wouldn't care. Yet, I can go buy a .50 caliber hunting rifle which could split someone in half, but looks like a standard bolt action hunting rifle and nobody blinks.

 

[Kelly]

So now we blame the manufacturers of high capacity magazines and bullets?

I'm not BLAMING anyone.....I am simply saying that those things are manufactured for military, not the public....who the hell would need to buy armor piercing bullets except the military? Seriously? you can't see that?

Head meet wall....

 

[Kable24]

"The men of Flight 93" didn't have guns either. But he pointed that out as an example of courage.

Neither did the terrorists.

 

[Belvedere]

I'm not calling anyone a coward in that situation. I thought it was being implied that why didn't anyone shoot back. The situation might have been different if a few had conceal carry licenses and were carrying.
In states that recognize CCW or open carry, crime rates are low because criminals are afraid of being shot. Crime in England went up 300% when they banned guns. If our current regime in Washington decides to ban guns, this country is going to become a cesspool for all kinds of crime.

Where is this statistic from? I live in England, London to be more specific, and I can promise you that it's far from a "cesspool" of crime.

 

[danoyse]

Neither did the terrorists.

So there's no point in bringing up 9/11 either? If this twit's point was about making everyone in the theater armed...why bring up an event where no one had a gun?

Because he was questioning their courage, not just their firepower.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Invoking Flight 93 (not to mention thinking those were all men)? Really?

I get his point, but it's totally bad form.

I hate this argument. I don't want a gun. I don't want to carry one, and I don't want to shoot one. I shouldn't have to carry one to the movies, to a restaurant, or anywhere else.

I've stayed out of the gun debate because I can't stand it. But I don't want a damn gun.

And as a US citizen, it is totally your right to decide whether you want to own a gun or not. Where the problem starts is when people start thinking their desire should be EVERYONE's.

Hey, if the AR 15 can be made to only shoot 6 rounds at a time.....more power to it....I don't really care what the gun is called, the caliber used, whatever.....

Don't you think those details are quite important to the debate? It's like saying "BAN ALL FRUIT!" when it's only oranges that turn people into raging citric acid-spewing monsters, because you don't care to fully understand/educate yourself on the topic.

but the amount of ammunition that some of these weapons can put out in a few seconds is not good, and that needs to change.

Again, unless you have a Class 3 license (which is VERY hard and VERY expensive, and pretty rare to get) you can ONLY get SEMI-AUTO guns. That's ONE bullet per trigger pull. The killer's gun was a semi-automatic rifle.

The fact that this guy was able to buy armor piercing bullets is ridiculously stupid.....it is moronic that we have that available to the public....totally moronic.

Some states ban them, but I agree, they shouldn't be publicly availible.

 

[Marvolo]

Exactly right. If the AR15 didn't look like a military rifle, people wouldn't care. Yet, I can go buy a .50 caliber hunting rifle which could split someone in half, but looks like a standard bolt action hunting rifle and nobody blinks.

Hell i can go buy a LAW rocket launcher. They are unregulated in the US. Yet people are worried about a standard hunting rifle.

 

[Kable24]

I'm not BLAMING anyone.....I am simply saying that those things are manufactured for military, not the public....who the hell would need to buy armor piercing bullets except the military? Seriously? you can't see that?

Head meet wall....

For hunting purposes they can be very beneficial. The hide of some animals are very hard to break, so yes big game hunters may purchase "armor piercing" rounds.

Since the media must be throwing out that he used armor piercing rounds, I'm curious on what he really had. Probably, ballistic tipped or hollow point.

 

[Kable24]

Where is this statistic from? I live in England, London to be more specific, and I can promise you that it's far from a "cesspool" of crime.

Re-read what I said. I didn't say England was a cesspool of crime. I said if they ban guns in the US then it will become a cesspool of crime.

As for where i read it, I believe it was on the guardian from a few years ago.

 

[danoyse]

I get his point, but it's totally bad form.



And as a US citizen, it is totally your right to decide whether you want to own a gun or not. Where the problem starts is when people start thinking their desire should be EVERYONE's.

And I have the right to go out the front door without worrying about getting shot, or having to shoot someone else. I've gone my entire life - most of which has been spent in New York city - without having to touch a gun. I'm not about to start.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

I dont really care what gun he was using. Dont care what caliber and i dont care if his gun was Semi or fully automatic. The fact that this moron could walk into a crowded theatre and kill so many innocent men, women and children, warrants the right for us to claim an eye for an eye. Bane was an extremist, but he was right when he said "Hang them for the world to see". And in this case, it seems so appropriate. He needs to be hung for the whole world to see that killing innocent people is the worst thing that anyone can do.

 

[Marvolo]

Sad fact is that if guns are banned in the US the black market and underground trades will skyrocket. Legal supply drops and demand goes up there is only one place to turn. Criminals will step in as the supplier and take advantage of it. It happened with liquor and it will happen with guns. There should always be a legal way to aquire guns. Really one way to help ensure gun rights are no abused is to learn about gun laws and learn about guns and gun safety.

 

[Kable24]

Hell i can go buy a LAW rocket launcher. They are unregulated in the US. Yet people are worried about a standard hunting rifle.

Yeah, but ammo for a LAW is the big no-no. I honestly, do not see a problem with someone owning them. Usually if someone owns military grade or the civilian equivalent, then they are a collector.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah, but ammo for a LAW is the big no-no. I honestly, do not see a problem with someone owning them. Usually if someone owns military grade or the civilian equivalent, then they are a collector.

Yep. Its hard to get that kind of stuff and as has been said a class 3 license is required for the more exotic things. To get a class 3 you have to follow very very strict rules and be approved and have a legitament reason for wanting the weapon such as collecting, teaching, or demonstrations. Even with a class 3 you cant own an automatic weapon built after 1986 as far as i know. I looked into what it takes to getting a glock 18 and you have to jump through fire pretty much. For those that dont know, the glock 18 is the fully automatic 9mm pistol they manufacture for military purposes.

 

[Kable24]

Sad fact is that if guns are banned in the US the black market and underground trades will skyrocket. Legal supply drops and demand goes up there is only one place to turn. Criminals will step in as the supplier and take advantage of it. It happened with liquor and it will happen with guns. There should always be a legal way to aquire guns. Really one way to help ensure gun rights are no abused is to learn about gun laws and learn about guns and gun safety.

Then nothing will stop people from getting or making full auto to make things worse.

The fact is yeah this nut job bought his guns legally, but up to that point there wasn't anything other than a traffic violation on his record. The system is not perfect. No government system is perfect. Taking away guns from millions of people who have never harmed another with them is stupid, irresponsible and fear mongering.

People crying for stricter gun control should be careful. Like the saying goes. be careful of what you wish for. You may just get it.
There is a reason why there is a 2nd amendment.

The blame needs to be put on the person, not the items he used to carry out his sick and twisted plan. If his apartment blew up killing his neighbors, would people be crying for a ban on basic household and gardening chemicals?

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Its not a coincidence that columbine and this happened in the same state. The ease of access to firearms plays a huge role in the degree of these crimes. The state of colorado was the official supplier of james holmes in a way.

 

[Kable24]

Yep. Its hard to get that kind of stuff and as has been said a class 3 license is required for the more exotic things. To get a class 3 you have to follow very very strict rules and be approved and have a legitament reason for wanting the weapon such as collecting, teaching, or demonstrations. Wven with a class 3 you cant own an automatic weapon built after 1986 as far as i know. I looked into what it takes to getting a glock 18 and you have to jump through fire pretty much. For those that dont know, the glock 18 is the full automatic 9mm pistol they manufacture for mikitary purposes.

I've looked into getting my FFL and the ATF makes it hard to get and it is very expensive. Class 3 can sell full auto, but can't make them from my understanding, you need a Class 2 SOT and then you can make and sell "dealer samples" to other class 3 or military and LE.
I just wanted it so it would be easier for friends and I to order online and ship directly and fill out the paperwork myself.

 

[Avengers-Report]

Anyone who thinks people should/need to bring guns to a theater to defend themselves are just as dumb as the shooter.

 

[Kable24]

Anyone who thinks people should/need to bring guns to a theater to defend themselves are just as dumb as the shooter.

I carry everywhere I go. I'd sooner have my gun on me and not need it, than need it and not have it. It doesn't make me dumb or paranoid. I choose not to be a victim if someone decides to be stupid.

 

[mrvlknight21]

I dont know if this has been said but an AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. An assault rifle is defined as a selective fire weapon that is a weapon that has a mechanism built in for switching between semi and fully automatic. The AR-15 is a civillian model that does not have selective fire and is ONLY semi-automatic. They fire the .223 calibre bullet which is civillian legal and fired by many different rifles. The AR15 offers civilians an effective and multi-purpose round in an easier to maintain gun. They have very little recoil. They also have a versatile rail system.This all makes them extremely popular. They are great for hunting and can be used for self defense. Ill say again the AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. It is a civillian model of the military's M4 and M16 and is only semi-automatic only. The military version is the assault rifle. If he was using the military version with selective fire the media and police need to use it proper name. If he was using the AR-15 then they need to stop calling it an assault rifle. The media and police are not helping with gun confusion.

Thank you!!! Someone on here gets it. The .223 round is a standard hunting round. The AR15 is used in night hunts when wild boars/hogs are destroying farmland.
I own three myself and I enjoy the sport of shooting target. It does not make me feel like a bad ass at the gun range. I don't feel like a tough guy when I'm using one as someone assumed earlier. People ask why do you want or need one? Why do you collect comics, statues, games, movies or toys? I am a gun collector and I enjoy shooting my collection at the gun range.

I listed various reasons to own an AR15 starting on pg 30-31. Most people disagreed with me/those reasons.

Whats funny is people are worried about .223 rounds in an AR15 but anyone can go by a lever gun chambered in .30-30 which is essentially a semi AK47 or a bolt action rifle chambered in .30-06 which is a sniper rifle. People dont mind them tho because they dont LOOK like military aitomatic weapons. People are too worried about the looks of a gun more than the actual logistics of a gun. If it was up to me gun safety and basic gun knowledge would be mandatory. Everyone should know the basics. I feel it would help alleviate a lot of fears people have due to lack of knowledge.

I mentioned this also.
It seems that some think a .223 round is comparable to a 7.62 (or larger).
Someone else mentioned that a basic hunting rifle can shoot further and more accurately than an Ar15 also.

Anyone who thinks people should/need to bring guns to a theater to defend themselves are just as dumb as the shooter.

I mentioned earlier that I carry 24/7. So, now you are comparing me (or at least my brain power) to the lunatic that executed all these people? Give me a freaking break.