The Dark Knight 1st or 2nd reveal of the Joker

[Mr. Socko]

I'm just thankful that Nolan is in charge of this film and not some of you guys that seem to think the Joker "straight from the comics" is the only way to go. I like this Joker, I like the fact that he doesn't have "perfect" makeup and it's all messy. I want him to be hideous, dark, and a complete psycho....not some clown that trots around in a bright purple suit and pretty makeup. We got that with B89. If I want to see that again, hey, I have it on dvd.

Then why not just scrap Joker completely, hire Anthony Hopkins, and tell him to just play Hannibal in TDK?

 

[Maggotx9]

Lol

 

[DSET]

Then why not just scrap Joker completely, hire Anthony Hopkins, and tell him to just play Hannibal in TDK?

LooooL

 

[cryptic name]

i wouldn't take anyone with a username like "penismightier" seriously.

for. some. odd. reason.

if it actually works i'll order a dozen

 

[CConn]

Both are rather horrible. I mean, while the shot itself is extremely cool, in the second pic Joker even has partially brown hair and his make up doesn't even cover his ears and ****.

 

[strikezone89]

^crybaby alert

 

[Swordmaster]

^crybaby alert

I fail to see how he's being a crybaby. Both are rather valid complaints, the make up being moreso, seeing as how the appearance of The Joker is one of the easiest to translate to screen without looking stupid. Being "perma-clown" is an integral part of Joker's character, and the make-up kinda takes that away. This in no way means the film will be trash, but if Joker is just a make-up wearing loon...it's different.

 

[Syncos]

I fail to see how he's being a crybaby. Both are rather valid complaints, the make up being moreso, seeing as how the appearance of The Joker is one of the easiest to translate to screen without looking stupid. Being "perma-clown" is an integral part of Joker's character, and the make-up kinda takes that away. This in no way means the film will be trash, but if Joker is just a make-up wearing loon...it's different.

Not really. there's a lot to be said, if he's nutty enough to always be wearin makeup.

As for the pictures. There's no difference in the getup, other than lighting, and how the picture is portrayed.

 

[Swordmaster]

Not really. there's a lot to be said, if he's nutty enough to always be wearin makeup.

As for the pictures. There's no difference in the getup, other than lighting, and how the picture is portrayed.

I'm not denying he'd be incredibly nutty, I just said it'd be a different type of insanity than the comics. I'm not sure how to explain it, so I'll leave it at that.

PErsonality, though.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

I watched Batman 89 today on AMC. Jack Nicholson as The Joker was a good choice. He played the character well. I loved his gags in the film. He was the 'prankster' verson of The Joker.

Now for Heath Ledger's version, he should be the creepy, mystery-like, vile, evil SOB Joker. I pretty much think that's how he's playing it and how it will be. As for the acting and characteristics of The Joker, both Ledger and Nicholson have two different roles. Jack was fun. Ledger shouldn't be fun.

I still wish the characteristics were the only difference of the two. I wouldn't have minded seeing Ledger look like The Joker we all know and have seen. Add Jack's Joker with Ledgers/Nolens mad-man, nut case, out of control, super creepy Joker, that would have been explosive.

I don't think that seeing the same image of The Joker would have not been new or interesting. I would have thought more of the way he was presented and acted to be the difference. Bale's Batman wasn't that different than Keatons, Kilmers, or Clooneys. I'm speaking of course of the Bat-suit. But the acting was way different than the others. See what I'm saying??

But really, I'm starting to care less and less about the appearance of Heath's Joker. By that I mean, I have no control over Nolen and how he wants things to be done and I have to accept what he gives me. I just want to see The Dark Knight already and want this 'guessing game' to end. Whatever happens in the movie I'll be okay with, I just want the antisipation to end.

 

[GoogleMe94]

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Bale's Batman wasn't that different than Keatons, Kilmers, or Clooneys. I'm speaking of course of the Bat-suit. But the acting was way different than the others.

well, each batman actor has played batman differently, no 2 are the same, which i find amazing. only ones that have many similarities would be keaton and bale.there were times where bale reminded me of keaton, as both wayne and batman. but they both also had many differences.


why is everyone begging for a uber serious super dark killa joker? i like that joker and all, but CANT he be a somewhat funny prankster as well? thats what makes joker Joker. hes evil and everything, but he can also make you laugh or be horrified at the same time. thats what nicholson did for me. he was funny one minutem creepy as hell the next. joker is joker.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

I don't nessisarly think a guy who's called The Joker is taking himself seriously. But he is serious about distruction. If he wants to play a little joke here and there, that's cool too. But the jokes shouldn't be right out "ha ha" funny to us.

 

[7alex]

I liked the second image more because obviously it revealed more.

 

[Batman jr.]

I don't nessisarly think a guy who's called The Joker is taking himself seriously. But he is serious about distruction. If he wants to play a little joke here and there, that's cool too. But the jokes shouldn't be right out "ha ha" funny to us.

True.

 

[Batman jr.]

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well, each batman actor has played batman differently, no 2 are the same, which i find amazing. only ones that have many similarities would be keaton and bale.there were times where bale reminded me of keaton, as both wayne and batman. but they both also had many differences.


why is everyone begging for a uber serious super dark killa joker? i like that joker and all, but CANT he be a somewhat funny prankster as well? thats what makes joker Joker. hes evil and everything, but he can also make you laugh or be horrified at the same time. thats what nicholson did for me. he was funny one minutem creepy as hell the next. joker is joker.

Yes, but Nicholson played Joker in his way, in Burton's vision. He ISN'T Joker.

You seem to think that Heath's Joker is serious all the time, no one ever said that.

Do you want my opinion ? You need to lighten up "throws lighter"

 

[KnightOfGotham]

I don't nessisarly think a guy who's called The Joker is taking himself seriously. But he is serious about distruction. If he wants to play a little joke here and there, that's cool too. But the jokes shouldn't be right out "ha ha" funny to us.

No, that would be one of the biggest mistakes ever, making Joker a comedian who tells good jokes. He even't wasn't in the comics

 

[roach]

Yes, but Nicholson played Joker in his way, in Burton's vision. He ISN'T Joker.

In what way was Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker not spot on????
Was Jack creepy???? Hell yeah. The scene where he is talking to the corpse is pure Joker to me.
Was he murderous???? Joker killed a lot of people in B89. You have to be looney to kill someone on the steps of the judical court with a freakin pen.

I know it's all vogue to trash B89 since BB came out...but dont discount JN performance as Joker.

 

[Batman jr.]

In what way was Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker not spot on????
Was Jack creepy???? Hell yeah. The scene where he is talking to the corpse is pure Joker to me.
Was he murderous???? Joker killed a lot of people in B89. You have to be looney to kill someone on the steps of the judical court with a freakin pen.

I know it's all vogue to trash B89 since BB came out...but dont discount JN performance as Joker.

See this is what I mean. He ISN'T Joker, he PLAYED him. Have you ever seen Jack's best films ?

 

[roach]

See this is what I mean. He ISN'T Joker, he PLAYED him. Have you ever seen Jack's best films ?

Sure
One Flew over a cuckoos nest
The Shining
Chinatown

 

[Batman jr.]

Sure
One Flew over a cuckoos nest
The Shining
Chinatown

Jack's the man, I'm a fan, but Joker isn't his best role. I really need to see the passenger

 

[roach]

Jack's the man, I'm a fan, but Joker isn't his best role.

Of course not but it's not his worst role and I think he was the perfect Joker

 

[Two-Face]

The second one seems better.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

This is a tricky one as they're both awesome pictures. It's got to be the second one, though, because there's more going in that picture.

 

[Penismightier]

so...your new film degree means you know better than a man who's been making great films with complex characters for over 10 years?
you don't know enough about the movie or the character to make the claims you're making anyway.

Of course not, that's why he's making money off of directing and I'm, well, not. And I never claimed to know better than Nolan. In my posts in this thread I've said a lot of things about what they "seem" to be doing with the character, and that I could be totally wrong when the actual film comes out.

And my degree doesn't mean I know better than Nolan. All I said was there was a certain way to do things, especially in adapting stories, and that Nolan was making a lot of odd choices that, from a narrative perspective, seem somewhat opposite of what the character is all about. Like I've said, I could be totally wrong, but this is just from the pictures I've seen. It was merely an observation, nothing more.

On the other hand, Nolan isn't omnipotent. Someone on a message board in the mid-90s could have said something similar about a poster knowing better than Joel Schumacher.

 

[regwec]

Many people who support the changes make the argument, effectively, that...

"The Joker has always sucked. Nolan is doing the right thing in turning him into a different character, heavily derivative of flavour-of-the-month horror movie villains".

Excuse me if I recommend that you all go away and become fans of a character that I don't care about, so I can join you in celebrating its corruption?