2005-2006 NBA thread

[Kipobe]

Eh... never was much of a Clippers fan, but I'd cheer for them over others, no doubt... even against Miami (another favorite of mine...)

Lakers are looking good. I don't understand all this "they won't make the playoffs" garbage. They will! You have it here in text to quote in February if you like... THE LAKERS WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!

 

[Eyeballing]

Bah lakers shhhmakers. IF Kobe distributes the ball they might but the west is so stacked if he trys to do it all himself not a chance. Plus Phil is not a Larry Brown type coach he doesn't turn bad teams around he turns good teams into champs.

But we shall see if he really is the master.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

And your extremley biased towards your own opinion Nuk Nuk. I'm not putting you down or trying to start a fight, it just seems that you like to think yourself the know all NBA source around here.

Yes I know I am very stubborn as well when it comes to my own opinion. But I am from CA as well, and I can't stand Kobe I don't care for him as a player or as a person.

But the kid is phenomenal. His major set backs are his attitude, leadership and the ability to make the players around him better. Other than that offensivley and defensively he is a great talent. Do I think he is the best player in the league, no close though.

But that doesn't mean he is THE most skilled player in the league. He is one of the better all around players..no doubt. But he lacks court vision and/or the ability to properly distribute the ball to even be considered the best all around player. In fact, Dwyane Wade as of right now is a better all around player than Kobe. He may not be on the level of Kobe at certain skills and/or aspects..but D. Wade is a better overall player. And I'm not even getting into the Timmy Duncans or KG's of the league that can seemingly do everything.

 

[JMT]

I missed the draft last night.
I got an alright team.
Gilbert Arenas babyyyyy

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Bah lakers shhhmakers. IF Kobe distributes the ball they might but the west is so stacked if he trys to do it all himself not a chance. Plus Phil is not a Larry Brown type coach he doesn't turn bad teams around he turns good teams into champs.

But we shall see if he really is the master.

Well we have never really seen Phil get a chance to turn a bad team around... so we don't know that for sure. They will at least 10 more games this year, just due to his precense. I guarantee it.

 

[C-$]

If you're a Atlanta Hawk fan, can you please tell how Marvin Williams has looked in the preseason so for?

 

[Immortalfire]

The other night he had 11 points and 13 rebounds in the win over New Orleans.

 

[C-$]

The other night he had 11 points and 13 rebounds in the win over New Orleans.

Thanks!

 

[Eyeballing]

But that doesn't mean he is THE most skilled player in the league. He is one of the better all around players..no doubt. But he lacks court vision and/or the ability to properly distribute the ball to even be considered the best all around player. In fact, Dwyane Wade as of right now is a better all around player than Kobe. He may not be on the level of Kobe at certain skills and/or aspects..but D. Wade is a better overall player. And I'm not even getting into the Timmy Duncans or KG's of the league that can seemingly do everything.

I agree, I wasn't saying he is THE MOST SKILLED. I would gladly take Wade over Kobe anyday. His rookie season the same as James and Anthony I was on the D. Wade bus not james or Anthony. I watched him play at Marquette and get college player of the year award. So I'm with you on that and with Kobe.

I agree with KG and Duncan as well, incredible players.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

I agree, I wasn't saying he is THE MOST SKILLED. I would gladly take Wade over Kobe anyday. His rookie season the same as James and Anthony I was on the D. Wade bus not james or Anthony. I watched him play at Marquette and get college player of the year award. So I'm with you on that and with Kobe.

I agree with KG and Duncan as well, incredible players.

With that post, you are now one of my favorite people on this board. Nice to see someone who liked D. Wade before he blew up in the NBA.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

BTW in pre-season..Nate Robinson has been arguably NYC best player thus far...

 

[Kipobe]

With that post, you are now one of my favorite people on this board. Nice to see someone who liked D. Wade before he blew up in the NBA.

I was talking about him long before he hit the league. Phenominal player.... and I'm glad he ended up in Miami (if he wasn't gonna go to either the Clippers or the Lakers. Actually, I'm glad he didn't go to the Clips because his career woulda been over.....)

Anyway, the fact is Wade is probably the better player because he already knows how to adapt his playing skills to an organized team. He's young, and doesn't have the experience Kobe has... but he definately has the potential to surpass him. Wade is phenominal. Kobe is extremely talented too... but the one thing that's giving him the edge is that playoff knowledge. Wade is getting there though.

I'd like to see these guys in about 5 years becoming real rivals.

 

[Equint77]

BTW in pre-season..Nate Robinson has been arguably NYC best player thus far...

Nate isn't the best player in NY... but he is the most exciting player they have.

He's made rookie mistakes and that's expected... He also needs to improve his decision making.. as well as working on a mid-range jumpshot.

I'm hoping he gets his minutes this season.. and I have a feeling all 3 rookies will get their time... LB likes their hustle and skill which is great considering he's never been a fan of rookies.

If he gives all 3 their minutes.. you just have to imagine how much he must have hated Darko.

 

[Eyeballing]

I was talking about him long before he hit the league. Phenominal player.... and I'm glad he ended up in Miami (if he wasn't gonna go to either the Clippers or the Lakers. Actually, I'm glad he didn't go to the Clips because his career woulda been over.....)

Anyway, the fact is Wade is probably the better player because he already knows how to adapt his playing skills to an organized team. He's young, and doesn't have the experience Kobe has... but he definately has the potential to surpass him. Wade is phenominal. Kobe is extremely talented too... but the one thing that's giving him the edge is that playoff knowledge. Wade is getting there though.

I'd like to see these guys in about 5 years becoming real rivals.

IMPO I think Wade was the best of the three rookies that year. His stats didn't show it but even in the post season he already showed that he could not only get into pressure situations but handle them as well. The kid is amazing and I think he still doesn't get his due.

 

[Equint77]

IMPO I think Wade was the best of the three rookies that year. His stats didn't show it but even in the post season he already showed that he could not only get into pressure situations but handle them as well. The kid is amazing and I think he still doesn't get his due.

good points Eyeballing... but IMO.. I think Lebron still ranks top in that draft... on talent alone.

I'm hoping LB makes the playoffs and shows he can put up those same stats when it counts. But you are right.. Wade is amazing at pressure situations.

Either one you can't lose. And is it just me or is Carmello overrated? All he can do is score... he doesn't do much else.

 

[Eyeballing]

good points Eyeballing... but IMO.. I think Lebron still ranks top in that draft... on talent alone.

I'm hoping LB makes the playoffs and shows he can put up those same stats when it counts. But you are right.. Wade is amazing at pressure situations.

Either one you can't lose. And is it just me or is Carmello overrated? All he can do is score... he doesn't do much else.

I think the problem with Camrello is he is still young. So are James and Wade but they already have that more mature stature about them. Carmello seems like the "stereotypical" young talented player that just does what he needs to do and gets paid. He doesn't seem like the type that studies the game or that improves on his game constantly. Feeling the need to get better and improve because he is already so talented.

But like I said I am sure this is because he is still young, maybe this year or in another year he will realize hey there is a lot more I can do not only to improve my game but help my team. But we shall see.

And I agree James is the overall most talented of the three no doubt but that does not necessarily make him the better player to have on your team. Stats and highlights are nice but when it comes down to it, what counts is where your team ends ups at the end of the season. Not to say it is all Lebron's fault.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

He's made rookie mistakes and that's expected... He also needs to improve his decision making.. as well as working on a mid-range jumpshot.

Which is to be expected, and can be basically said for their roster as well. Including vets like Jamal Crawford, who is actually worse in regards to shot decisions than Nate.

 

[Equint77]

actually... JC has toned his jacking up shots in preseason.. he looks in more control on offense and his ballhandling in pressure, as well as his height make him a capable PG.

It's like night and day compared to how he was last year under Lenny. Lenny pretty much let JC do what he wanted on offense which is why he chucked up so many shots.

And IMO... David Lee has been the biggest stand out of the rookies in NY. He's a solid rebounder.. can handle the ball for his size.. and is strong enough not to get pushed around. LB loves him already.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

actually... JC has toned his jacking up shots in preseason.. he looks in more control on offense and his ballhandling in pressure, as well as his height make him a capable PG.

It's like night and day compared to how he was last year under Lenny. Lenny pretty much let JC do what he wanted on offense which is why he chucked up so many shots.

And IMO... David Lee has been the biggest stand out of the rookies in NY. He's a solid rebounder.. can handle the ball for his size.. and is strong enough not to get pushed around. LB loves him already.

JC still has bad shot selection. And he still can't play any defense. Wait till you see him in the regular season, I'm sure he will be jacking up shots as well. But I doubt LB will stand for it. He will either pull him, or request a trade to managment. I have seen Jamal play for a long while now, and he has yet to truly learn how to play basketball. He has physical talents that would put him up their with the elite in the league, but he just doesn't know how to play. This could be due to the fact that he didn't start playing organized ball untill late in his life..but he has long ways to go. As for D. Lee...I really haven't seen him play much. Maybe when I get league pass I will see him do his thing. Untill then, NY may not have enough basketballs to go around for that team.

 

[Equint77]

JC still has bad shot selection. And he still can't play any defense. Wait till you see him in the regular season, I'm sure he will be jacking up shots as well. But I doubt LB will stand for it. He will either pull him, or request a trade to managment. I have seen Jamal play for a long while now, and he has yet to truly learn how to play basketball. He has physical talents that would put him up their with the elite in the league, but he just doesn't know how to play. This could be due to the fact that he didn't start playing organized ball untill late in his life..but he has long ways to go. As for D. Lee...I really haven't seen him play much. Maybe when I get league pass I will see him do his thing. Untill then, NY may not have enough basketballs to go around for that team.

Well I'm hoping Jamal is learning... I think he can. And yeah his defense is below average at best... which is what I'm hoping LB will correct this season.

I guess you can say coaching was an excuse..... and the constant transition in Chicago wasn't much help..... the same thing could be said about Curry.

I'm trying to stay optimistic about the team in general.. they are fairly young and without it being their fault... are still learning the game.

 

[Go Web Go!]

Nice to see someone who liked D. Wade before he blew up in the NBA.

*AHEM!*

 

[NOFX]

Yahooo Lakers Win!!! Kobe with a game winning shot against Denver!!! 1-0 Baby!!!

 

[NOFX]

And my beloved Clipper are undefeated!!!

 

[Equint77]

man... I'm glad Redd was drafted to my team... he's scored 71 points in his first 2 games... and Brad Miller bounced back from that horrible first game.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

My Wizards won.