2005-2006 NBA thread

[Super_Ludacris]

That's just ridiculous, pretty much every coach is as good as the players they have. Phil Jackson usually had a ready made team. Doc Rivers wasn't always without talent so that doesn't work either. They got a coach that addressed their main problem.

Coaches work to find the best out of there players and give them direction. In the 90's it was easy for Hill to coach Orlando, run the half court offense throw it in to Shaq in the paint and if double teamed kick it out to Penny, Nick or 3-D out on the perimeter. That was fine for home games(they went like 76-6 over 2 seasons at home) and to get you 50 wins but remember those Magic teams never had a coach to help that young team have the mental toughness to win on the road (hence why they used to stuggle). And of course he had no authority over Penny and Shaq( Hence Shaq going to LA and Penny leading the player revolt). But it was his struggles in Vancouver that sealed it and he had some good players there like Abdur Rahim and Mike Bibby and Micheal Dickerson but they couldn't win. Who knows maybe Coach Hill picked up on some things as assistant in NJ but who knows?

 

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Coaches work to find the best out of there players and give them direction. In the 90's it was easy for Hill to coach Orlando, run the half court offense throw it in to Shaq in the paint and if double teamed kick it out to Penny, Nick or 3-D out on the perimeter. That was fine for home games(they went like 76-6 over 2 seasons at home) and to get you 50 wins but remember those Magic teams never had a coach to help that young team have the mental toughness to win on the road (hence why they used to stuggle). And of course he had no authority over Penny and Shaq( Hence Shaq going to LA and Penny leading the player revolt). But it was his struggles in Vancouver that sealed it and he had some good players there like Abdur Rahim and Mike Bibby and Micheal Dickerson but they couldn't win. Who knows maybe Coach Hill picked up on some things as assistant in NJ but who knows?

If it was so easy, they would've won a championship. Using the "Penny revolt" is like calling Phil Jackson a crap coach with no control because Kobe made him disappear. Penny was the one with the problem, he's the one that took issue with Hill, Shaq got a better opportunity and offer in LA, plus, Penny was actually more popular at that time. Michael Dickerson? wtf? and "who knows"? you obviously think you do since you think that Orlando sucks and are going to have a bad season because of 1 game, again, a game against the team that you think is going to win the east. You just don't get it, how many times to I have to say this? They had half of what they needed before, they even had it with Johnny Davis,they actually made him look good for a little while, they didn't have the other half.

players arent as good as there coach sometimes the coah is better like the knicks

I could've sworn I said "pretty much every"


If the Magic play like this after say...15-20 games, I'll agree that they suck, I had no problem saying it most of last year and the year before.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ Fuzz sounding like my Orlando Sucks comment was personal

Magic aint doing **** this year. If they do I'll be happy but it's gonna be another ****ty year for my team.

 

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

I had this whole thing I was going to say, forget it, you'll just say the same thing. Like I said, if they suck 15-20 games in, I'll say they suck. There's no reason they should do worse than last year.

 

[Kipobe]

Yeah, so anyway, the Lakers played horribly last night, and still got the win. Phil Jackson has tons of room for improvement with this team, and I don't see why people are counting them out as a playoff contender. So many say they won't even make it.

The things the wouldn't/didn't/couldn't do last year to win games where they lost by only a handful of points (which were many) will be wins this year. Finally, Phil will be able to prove he's a good coach, and shut the mouths of the dummies like big smokey Red

 

[Kipobe]

Furthermore, the uniforms this year are pure cock. Indiana? Cock Sacramento? Cock Seattle? Cock-cock

Also, Reebok taking over all of Nike's uniform contracks? Tripple cock!

 

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Furthermore, the uniforms this year are pure cock. Indiana? Cock Sacramento? Cock Seattle? Cock-cock

Also, Reebok taking over all of Nike's uniform contracks? Tripple cock!

they took over hockey's uniforms too, I've never liked reebok and their ****ty products

 

[Kipobe]

Wade ain't no damn joke. Not hitting that final shot still didn't take away from the sweetness of that final play. He's the King!

 

[Kipobe]

they took over hockey's uniforms too, I've never liked reebok and their ****ty products

The only thing I remember owning of Reebok (besides gifts and a few shirts here and there.... and I think a jersey) is those black patent leather Reeboks that came out a few years ago. They were okay.. but not the best.

Converse is actually alot better as of late... but I'm Nike all the way. This sucks

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah, so anyway, the Lakers played horribly last night, and still got the win. Phil Jackson has tons of room for improvement with this team, and I don't see why people are counting them out as a playoff contender. So many say they won't even make it.

The things the wouldn't/didn't/couldn't do last year to win games where they lost by only a handful of points (which were many) will be wins this year. Finally, Phil will be able to prove he's a good coach, and shut the mouths of the dummies like big smokey Red

Red Auerbach is a legend and has built teams from the ground up, whereas Phil didn't bother to build a struggling team and lead them to a title.

Don't say the Bulls or The Lakers, the talent was already there. How about taking a team like The Nuggets, Clippers, Grizzlies, or even New York to a championship?

Only then will he be regarded as a good coach, until then, other critics and legends like Red will call Phil for what he is and that's a coach who will jump off a sinking boat and wait for a team already built to call him.

I feel really, really bad for Miami though. Walker is simply not a good pick-up and he messes up at the wrong times of the games, which is what made me hate him and become frustrated when he played for Dallas.

They had a chance to tie and win the game; but instead of passing the ball he tries to be fancy and quick, which ultimately leads in a crucial frustrating loss for the team he's playing on.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

So Reebok has NFL, NHL and NBA on contract?

Well actually addidas does. You guys know Addidas brought Reebok back in September right? Like Nike brought Converse in 2003

 

[The Brian]

how about them rockets.

they should win the west over the spurs.

 

[Kipobe]

Red Auerbach is a legend and has built teams from the ground up, whereas Phil didn't bother to build a struggling team and lead them to a title.

Don't say the Bulls or The Lakers, the talent was already there. How about taking a team like The Nuggets, Clippers, Grizzlies, or even New York to a championship?

Only then will he be regarded as a good coach, until then, other critics and legends like Red will call Phil for what he is and that's a coach who will jump off a sinking boat and wait for a team already built to call him.

I don't know if it's worth saying this for the billionth time, but here I go.

Nobody in their right mind compares Jackson, and (let's say for the sake of this argument) Larry Brown. Why? Because their specialties are different. Before Detroit's championship, Brown proved he could only do so much as a coach... and then he split. That's where someone like Jackson shines... take all the teams that Brown took to the playoffs, and Jackson could make them champions.

You could argue that anyone could do what Jackson did with Chicago and LA.... but not "anyone" did... and there were plenty of people who could've. How many people had Jordan and Pippen, or Kobe and Shaq? The pieces were there... but that's why it's proven that the right coach needs to come in and make the pieces gel and work.

Bottomline is, both are very good coaches... it's just that Phil is given alot of crap because he just shines up what was already treasure... people like Brown are more of refiners to make the pieces worth something. It's just that, this year, Phil will have the chance to prove he's a good coach by bringing a poor team up to a contending level... and for the record, I think he'll succeed.

 

[The Brian]

phil is the best coach in nba history at taking a team with talent to the next level.

you'll never win an arguement on who's the best ever, but you could make a great arguement for both phil and red.

 

[Kipobe]

...and Larry.

As far as I'm concerned, there's just no comparison.

 

[The Brian]

not a fan of brown, but he's certainly up there.

 

[Go Web Go!]

Indiana is a better defensive team than Miami and plus your team's chemistry is suspect (Williams, Walker. Payton). On paper Miami could (They Should) take the east but as we have seen from the champions of the past 3 seasons chemistry is vital and Indiana's is much more cohesive than Miami. Plus losing Damon Jones was a back step IMO

How can you say Miami's chemistry is suspect? We're only 2 games into the season. It's too early to tell whether or not they can work cohesively or not. I think they'll be fine. The whole chemistry issue is being blown up by the media and these so-called "experts." All they need is time to mesh well together. I don't expect them to play the way they should be playing until a month, maybe 2 months into the season. They should be ok and should end up as the 1st or 2nd seed.

Indy's a very good team. Saw that tonight first hand. I wouldn't be surprised if they take the top seed in the East, but it's a little early to say that they'll take it hands down.

As for Damon Jones...No big deal. Who was he before he joined Miami? Nothing. He was a nobody that had played on what, 9 teams in 7 years? Miami can put anyone at point guard and make them successful. Especially with Shaq and Wade creating shots for them. They did it for Rafer Alston (well, atleast Wade did) when he was in Miami and when he left everyone thought he was going to be a big loss but then they did it for D. Jones and it was "Rafer who?" I'm pretty sure they can make things work with Williams and Payton who are probably better than both Jones and Alston. We'll see.

Should be a good season.

 

[Kipobe]

Time for one last Laker run...

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Indiana is a better defensive team than Miami and plus your team's chemistry is suspect (Williams, Walker. Payton). On paper Miami could (They Should) take the east but as we have seen from the champions of the past 3 seasons chemistry is vital and Indiana's is much more cohesive than Miami. Plus losing Damon Jones was a back step IMO

Well they just need time to gel, and play accordingly. It's only the second game of the year with a new look team, let's wait till season is in full swing to see how Miami is. I actually think w/ Shaq out they will be a better team. They will be able to run the floor alot more effeciently. But last night's game was neck and neck, and wasn't a true tell sign of how things will shake out. I can see this for a fact though, Eastern Conference > western conference. Oh, and Indiani's back up PG has G.

 

[Equint77]

Is it just me or does Kwame Brown just plain suck??

Yeah it's only 2 games into the season but man.. he IS USELESS.

 

[Go Web Go!]

Well they just need time to gel, and play accordingly. It's only the second game of the year with a new look team, let's wait till season is in full swing to see how Miami is. I actually think w/ Shaq out they will be a better team. They will be able to run the floor alot more effeciently. But last night's game was neck and neck, and wasn't a true tell sign of how things will shake out. I can see this for a fact though, Eastern Conference > western conference. Oh, and Indiani's back up PG has G.

What does that say about Indy? They had a comfortable 14 pt. lead and it disappeared. They ending up winning by just 3 after Miami was without Shaq for half of the final period and after Miami missed 15 free throws. Like I said, too early to crown them the Eastern Conference champions. They have plenty of work to do as do the Heat if they plan on making it to the Finals.

 

[Kipobe]

Is it just me or does Kwame Brown just plain suck??

Yeah it's only 2 games into the season but man.. he IS USELESS.

He's having trouble working into the system, I guess... but yeah, I never saw the hype in him from a few years back. He'll be an adequete piece, I suppose.... (Luc Longley, anyone?) but it's all about Kobe and Odom... those guys have to be untouchable... then you've got George who can supply a good 10 and 10 if worked with... and the kid I've been talking about for a while now: SMUSH! He's gonna be good.... and Phil's use of big point guards will allow him to get many more spotlight plays off of defense. I like that, because those rarely involve Kobe, and that's what this team needs.... something that doesn't have to spotlight Kobe to work. Odom just seems uninterested half the time

 

[Equint77]

Yeah, so anyway, the Lakers played horribly last night, and still got the win. Phil Jackson has tons of room for improvement with this team, and I don't see why people are counting them out as a playoff contender. So many say they won't even make it.

The things the wouldn't/didn't/couldn't do last year to win games where they lost by only a handful of points (which were many) will be wins this year. Finally, Phil will be able to prove he's a good coach, and shut the mouths of the dummies like big smokey Red

Well they don't have a deep bench and their offense is dependant soley on Kobe... Odom can't carry that team if Kobe goes down.

I'm not sure if Kwame is gonna be any different than he was in Washington.. I know for sure he'll struggle with the Triangle Offense... he doesn't seem basketball smart either.

They also don't have a solid PG. Smush Parker is alright but is he really a guy you want playing 82 games as your starter?

They just don't have a solid team. And with the West the way it is.... I don't see LA making the playoffs.. even if they do improve on last season.

And for all the praise Jackson gets... if he admits he couldn't get through to Kobe.. and labeled him uncoachable.. doesn't that say a lot about his coaching ability? We should see how he does with this team... if he can get LA into the playoffs.. I'll say that's more of an accomplishment than his championships... which he was expected to win with those rosters.

 

[Equint77]

He's having trouble working into the system, I guess... but yeah, I never saw the hype in him from a few years back. He'll be an adequete piece, I suppose.... (Luc Longley, anyone?) but it's all about Kobe and Odom... those guys have to be untouchable... then you've got George who can supply a good 10 and 10 if worked with... and the kid I've been talking about for a while now: SMUSH! He's gonna be good.... and Phil's use of big point guards will allow him to get many more spotlight plays off of defense. I like that, because those rarely involve Kobe, and that's what this team needs.... something that doesn't have to spotlight Kobe to work. Odom just seems uninterested half the time

Yeah.. I just posted about Kwame... LOL

Odom is a terrific player but he is unfocused... that's always been his problem. It's gonna be interesting to see what LA does... I'm hoping they're looking for a trade to upgrade their roster. They just don't seem deep at this moment.

 

[Go Web Go!]

Who did Smush Parker play for last season? The name sounds familiar. I don't think he was with LA last year or was he?