2005-2006 NBA thread

[Ultimate_Superman]

when was the last time jordan..scored 81????????

Never because he never needed to he ould reather get his team into the game then score but he can and would take over a game and win it as well.

 

[Alpha and Omega]

Never because he never needed to he ould reather get his team into the game then score but he can and would take over a game and win it as well.

Rational thought is beyond you.

 

[DarthRekal]

Never because he never needed to he ould reather get his team into the game then score but he can and would take over a game and win it as well.

you're absolutly right...and thats exsactly my argument.....


kobe had a career high 15 brds only A FEW off of jordans career high..he also has a CAREER high of 15 assists...

in 03 the year we lost to the spurs.... in WCF he averaged...AVERAGED...7 boards and 6 assists.....and we lost...... tell me how that is not a team player???

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Is it really. Look at Jordan he is a teacher of the game more then anything. I am sure Jordan could have lit up the board for 100 or 81 but he is a team player as well. As much as he hates to lose he knows that he neds a team to play with him as well. Kobe can shot all he wants but if he can never get along with other players then he will never win a title.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

you're absolutly right...and thats exsactly my argument.....


kobe had a career high 15 brds only A FEW off of jordans career high..he also has a CAREER high of 15 assists...

in 03 the year we lost to the spurs.... in WCF he averaged...AVERAGED...7 boards and 6 assists.....and we lost...... tell me how that is not a team player???

one game wow

 

[Alpha and Omega]

Is it really. Look at Jordan he is a teacher of the game more then anything. I am sure Jordan could have lit up the board for 100 or 81 but he is a team player as well. As much as he hates to lose he knows that he neds a team to play with him as well. Kobe can shot all he wants but if he can never get along with other players then he will never win a title.

You're reaching. Jordan was just as selfish as Kobe was w/ the ball at times. He's only applauded because he won two three-peats, but he never would have w/out Pippen.

You seem to be sure of a lot for someone who regards 'feeling of self' over 'undisputable evidence'.

Haters catch feelings very easily.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

You're reaching. Jordan was just as selfish as Kobe was w/ the ball at times. He's only applauded because he won two three-peats, but he never would have w/out Pippen.

You seem to be sure of a lot for someone who regards 'feeling of self' over 'undisputable evidence'.

Haters catch feelings very easily.

No I'm not I am just saying Jordan had a team because he was able to get along with people. Kobe had a team but drove them all away and thats his problem. Kobe needs to learn ht it means to be a team instead of shooting all the time. This offseason Kobe should spend time with his team trying to improve them instead of acting like a loner.

 

[DarthRekal]

one game wow

jordans was one game too but you revel in it...didnt you????


he's a 2 guard not a point guard..the two guards nickname is SHOOTING guard...theres not that many 2 guards averaging high in assists.....

and read my post he AVERAGED a WHOLE year 7 boards and 6 assists...at the TWO....


maybe alpha is right ..rational thought may be beyond you...


and jordan wasnt ALWAYS a great teacher..not at 27 by far

 

[Superman_20]

Kobe's 81 is the best single game performance, he did take 46 shots from the field, he had 8 lay ups, his 18 of 20 free throws, but i don't see how that is related to jordan though, jordan was a different player, he didn't take as many shots, he was a better defensive player, he was a better team player, he trusted his team (of course his team was actually good) but a great single game isn't supposed to immediately bring so many comparisons about who is better... (kobe is the best player offensively right now, but jordan was the best player) they also did not guard kobe too well, kobe just started taking all the shots and they just stood around watching, they didn't cover him well enough obviously, they let one man beat them, if he is taking every shot, then they should have been on him and assumed that he was going to keep taking shots all the time, and kobe did the right thing, he kept on driving and shooting until they would stop him, and if you have one player having to take 66 - 70 shots, then they need to make some changes

 

[Alpha and Omega]

No I'm not I am just saying Jordan had a team because he was able to get along with people. Kobe had a team but drove them all away and thats his problem. Kobe needs to learn ht it means to be a team instead of shooting all the time. This offseason Kobe should spend time with his team trying to improve them instead of acting like a loner.

Have you seen the ESPN interviews where Phil says that the problem wasn't just Kobe's fault. He openly admitted that it was a combination of Shaq complaining, Kobe refusing to budge, and his own inability to quell the situation before it happened. Seriously, the team was Kobe and Shaq. The remnants are there, and what does that tell you?
(Karl Malone and Gary Payton don't count as Lakers. They went there to try to win and did little, if anything in the playoffs.)

 

[Stringer]

Only qualities Kobe and Jordan share is overall talent and the ability to close games. Kobe does not possess the leadership nor knowledge of the game that Jordan did.

 

[Alpha and Omega]

Only qualities Kobe and Jordan share is overall talent and the ability to close games. Kobe does not possess the leadership nor knowledge of the game that Jordan did.

That is true. I've seen many players including Kobe who probably are more talented and possess the same qualities physically, but I have never seen another player who was so mentally complete. Jordan was a great competitor and he was the best mentally. Jordan always said that the game was 80 percent mental and 20 percent physical.

 

[Superman_20]

Only qualities Kobe and Jordan share is overall talent and the ability to close games. Kobe does not possess the leadership nor knowledge of the game that Jordan did.

i agree, and kobe has offensive talent, he is not a good a defender or passer as jordan was, but jordan just seemed as if he could "will" his team to win, kobe can shoot over players and hit tough shots, but jordan was always faster and quicker (the dramatic dunk over ewing, the pippen free-throw pick up, the hang-time dunk with the houston foul against the knicks, the hornets dunk around chapman over kelly's back when kelly couldn't get the hell out of the way quick enough) and michael jordan had what no one else had... the ability to hit the impossible shots, how many times was jordan double and even tripled teamed and fouled and he could still finish the plays, behind the back, from the floor, switching hands in mid air, changing positions and improvising plays in mid-air as if he could just hang in the air forever, kobe has a good jumper this season, but he does not have the entire physical ability to finish as jordan did, and i dont think that he has learned to play the game mentally either, because you had to stand up to jordan physically but also mentally because he would hit the shot and then tell you about it and torment you and that makes it seem like a 1 on 1 competition which takes away from the other teams team concept, and we still have to see if kobe will win 6 championships and 6 MVP awards, and be defensive player of the year, and finish his career with a 30 point lifetime average (kobe's lifetime average is 23)

 

[Stringer]

Good follow ups guys. Im in total agreement.

 

[DarthRekal]

i agree, and kobe has offensive talent, he is not a good a defender or passer as jordan was, but jordan just seemed as if he could "will" his team to win, kobe can shoot over players and hit tough shots, but jordan was always faster and quicker, and michael jordan had what no one else had... the ability to hit the impossible shots, how many times was jordan double and even tripled teamed and fouled and he could still finish the plays, behind the back, from the floor, switching hands in mid air, changing positions and improvising plays in mid-air as if he could just hang in the air forever, kobe has a good jumper this season, but he does not have the entire physical ability to finish as jordan did, and i dont think that he has learned to play the game mentally either, because you had to stand up to jordan physically but also mentally because he would hit the shot and then tell you about it and torment you and that makes it seem like a 1 on 1 competition which takes away from the other teams team concept, and we still have to see if kobe will win 6 championships and 6 MVP awards, and be defensive player of the year, and finish his career with a 30 point lifetime average (kobe's lifetime average is 23)

agree somewhat..kobe is still an unproven leader..but i digress jordan was not this far along at 27....cmon guys....i watched kobe bryant since he was a pup..and he can finish ANY shot.....it wasnt always the case but it is now

 

[Alpha and Omega]

agree somewhat..kobe is still an unproven leader..but i digress jordan was not this far along at 27....cmon guys....i watched kobe bryant since he was a pup..and he can finish ANY shot.....it wasnt always the case but it is now

Kobe is undoubtedly better than Jordan at 27. Jordan didn't have any of his titles nor 90 percent of his accomplishments. That was a very excellent point.

Jordan did not win his first until he was 28. Kobe's 3up.
Player vs Player comparison: Jordan has the edge overall obviously because of the mental aspect and his unique ability to close games consistently.

Kobe has the edge if you compare their statistics by age.

Guess what's even scarier? Lebron has both of them beat in a statistical age comparison.

 

[Superman_20]

agree somewhat..kobe is still an unproven leader..but i digress jordan was not this far along at 27....cmon guys....i watched kobe bryant since he was a pup..and he can finish ANY shot.....it wasnt always the case but it is now

as far as titles no, but as far as his scoring went, by the time jordan was 27, he had an average of over 30 points per season and had already been selected as MVP, and was all defensive first team

 

[DarthRekal]

Kobe is undoubtedly better than Jordan at 27. Jordan didn't have any of his titles nor 90 percent of his accomplishments. That was a very excellent point.

Jordan did not win his first until he was 28. Kobe's 3up.
Player vs Player comparison: Jordan has the edge overall obviously because of the mental aspect and his unique ability to close games consistently.

Kobe has the edge if you compare their statistics by age.

Guess what's even scarier? Lebron has both of them beat in a statistical age comparison.

excellent post..i agree totally...jordan is untouchable with ihs mentality.....

and lebron is SCURRY!


and supes kobes been first team all defnse three or four times already...only year was last year had he been left off of all defensive team....

be hes got him on MVP's...we'll see at the end of the year....

 

[Stringer]

A lot of people dont know that Jordan not only hit the GW shot on Utah in the Finals he got the steal from Karl Malone prior to the shot on the other end. Theres a man that dominates both sides of the court. and he's a guard!

 

[DarthRekal]

A lot of people dont know that Jordan not only hit the GW shot on Utah in the Finals he got the steal from Karl Malone prior to the shot on the other end. Theres a man that dominates both sides of the court. and he's a guard!

still less recognize he pushed off bryon russell to get open for the shot

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Talking about Kobe is better than MJ was at 27, when Mike was 25 He was the MVP of the league. Don't sleep on 88 that was a classic year and he dominated in argubaly the best era of the league the 80's and 90's when he was in his 20's and early 30's too. Dont' sleep on '88 *****es! lol

 

[Super_Ludacris]

still less recognize he pushed off bryon russell to get open for the shot

that's Byron Russell, he slips off the end of the bench as a 12th man all the time

 

[DarthRekal]

Talking about Kobe is better than MJ was at 27, when Mike was 25 He was the MVP of the league. Don't sleep on 88 that was a classic year and he dominated in argubaly the best era of the league the 80's and 90's when he was in his 20's and early 30's too. Dont' sleep on '88 *****es! lol

88 was a great year wasnt it.....thats the year we won the championship....

that happens quite alot though...14 times to be exact



no offence luda but its funny how people laud Jordan for being selfish and winning scoring titles and MVP's...but bash kobe for the same thing

 

[Alpha and Omega]

Talking about Kobe is better than MJ was at 27, when Mike was 25 He was the MVP of the league. Don't sleep on 88 that was a classic year and he dominated in argubaly the best era of the league the 80's and 90's when he was in his 20's and early 30's too. Dont' sleep on '88 *****es! lol

Kobe is still better at 27, and he has 7 more years until he'll retire. A lot can happen in 7 years.

 

[DarthRekal]

that's Byron Russell, he slips off the end of the bench as a 12th man all the time

LOL ......