2009 NFL Draft Thread (aka Excel & Norman's personal b**ch and moan thread)

[Mastodon123]

Funny thing is Kiper said if the Lions aren't sure about Stafford at this point, they shouldn't draft him.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

There is no reason why the Lions would take an agent to the practice field besides showing it off.

Again, Curry is not going to be the pick. The Lions are using him purely for bate. The Lions will draft B.J. Raji before they draft Aaron Curry.

The Lions are having a mini-camp this weekend. Not to mention the team offices are also located there at the team facility in Allen Park. Every free agent, potential draft pick, etc. goes to Allen Park there's nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[danielisthor]

I'm pre-apologizing. Wife and I are headed out to the Renaissance Festival, so I will probably be slowing up the draft process for today. I will make my pick (San Diego) as soon as I get back.

 

[Cmill216]

I'm pre-apologizing. Wife and I are headed out to the Renaissance Festival, so I will probably be slowing up the draft process for today. I will make my pick (San Diego) as soon as I get back.

Wrong thread.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Lions are having a mini-camp this weekend. Not to mention the team offices are also located there at the team facility in Allen Park. Every free agent, potential draft pick, etc. goes to Allen Park there's nothing out of the ordinary.

The team offices are not located on the field. The Lions brought Aaron Curry's agents on the practice field...in front of reporters.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

The team offices are not located on the field. The Lions brought Aaron Curry's agents on the practice field...in front of reporters.

Is there ever going to be any point I can make without you somehow trying to correct and/or contradict it?

I could make a post saying my house was yellow, and you would respond telling me that I'm wrong and that its actually blue....

I realize the offices arent on the field, but you acted as if they went out of their way to show these guys off when in fact they met with them about 100 yards away.

 

[El_Citrus]

Here's a ROUGH draft of my First round thus far. I'll post my official mock draft for the pool with my second round included:

1. Detroit Lions:___Matt Stafford QB
2. St. Louis Rams:___Jason Smith OT
3. Kansas City Chiefs:___Aaron Curry LB
4. Seattle Seahawks:___Eugene Monroe OT
5. Cleveland Browns:___Michael Crabtree WR
6. Cincinnati Bengals:___Andre Smith OT
7. Oakland Raiders:___Jeremy Maclin WR
8. Jacksonville Jaguars:___BJ Raji DT
9. Green Bay Packers:___Brian Orakpo DE/OLB
10. San Francisco 49ers:___Mark Sanchez QB
11. Buffalo Bills:___Aaron Maybin DE/OLB
12. Denver Broncos:___Everette Brown DE/OLB
13. Washington Redskins:___Robert Ayers DE
14. New Orleans Saints:___Ray Mauagula ILB
15. Houston Texans:___Malcolm Jenkins CB/S
16. San Diego Chargers:___Tyson Jackson DE
17. New York Jets:___Hakeem Nicks WR
18. Denver Broncos:___Clay Matthews OLB
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:___Peria Jerry DT
20. Detroit Lions:___Michael Oher OT
21. Philadelphia Eagles:___Knowshon Moreno RB
22. Minnesota Vikings:___Josh Freeman QB
23. New England Patriots:___Brian Cushing OLB
24. Atlanta Falcons:___Clint Sintim OLB
25. Miami Dolphins:___Vontae Davis CB
26. Baltimore Ravens:___Darius Heywood-Bey WR
27. Indianapolis Colts:___Evander Hood DT
28. Buffalo Bills:___Brandon Pettigrew TE
29. New York Giants:___Kenny Britt WR
30. Tennessee Titans:___Darius Butler CB
31. Arizona Cardinals:___Chris Wells RB
32. Pittsburgh Steelers:___Max Unger OL


Just a few notes:

-I have Percy Harvin going in the early second round due to his injuries and potential behavior issues. St. Louis looks to be a landing spot in my opinion.

-I like the Fantasy Mock Draft pick of Mauagula to the Saints, and think they may actually take him with their pick.

-Raji paired with Henderson in the middle for Jacksonville would ensure no one runs up the middle on them and I don't see him falling passed #8 since the top two WR's are off the board. I do see Denver trading up to get him which could happen draft day. Sanchez would be a possible pick here as well.

-I expect someone to jump ahead of San Fran. to take Sanchez. If not then I think Singletary and the Niners can not pass up Sanchez and really fill out their QB roster for 09. Have Smith and Hill duke it out while Sanchez learns in the wings.

-I expect the Giant's pick to go to Cleveland for Braylon Edwards, who will take Chris Wells and leave Arizona to take Donald Brown but I'm waiting to see if the trade happens before draft day.

-I originally had Atlanta taking a CB, but with their LB issues, I see them taking a potentially underrated Chris Sintim from UVA if none of the other OLB are left on the board. Larry English could fill this spot as well.

-I have the Jets taking a WR since they seem to have confidence in giving their QB's a chance while finding help at WR with potentially the best Larry Fitzgerald type in Hakeem Nicks.

-This leaves Josh Freeman in a freefall (no pun intended) passed Tampa with their four QB's, to Minnesota who will have the weakest starting QB in their division if they don't pick up Freeman here. They can get WR and defense help later on, but Sage Rosenfels and Tavaris Jackson are not going to be the answer, in my opinion and they simply can not let a guy like Freeman go by them.

-Vontae Davis' character troubles land him potentially in Miami where his talent will be too good to pass up for Tuna and Sporano to straighten him out. I could see him going to Denver if they think Brown, Davis, Williams would be a good enough linebacking core and don't need Chris Matthews, who then probably goes to New England if that should be the case.

-Ayers would be too good for Washington to pass up I think, which leaves San Diego to choose between Oher and Jackson, choosing Jackson to replace Olshansky, which lets Oher fall to the Lions. (The formula worked for Atlanta: Draft a QB and OT


Feel free to rip this apart pick by pick. I'd like all the feedback I can get.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

The Chiefs could pick Curry, but with the addition of Zach Thomas, they may go OT. Eugene Monroe would be that pick.

I'm hearing rumors that the Seahawks will take Sanchez with their #4 pick, but it could simply be strategy to trade with a team.

Bills will probably address the need at OT with a first rounder.

I think Denver would pick up a DT before they take Clay Matthews. So Peria Jerry would be that pick.

I'm not sure if the Falcons would pass on Pettigrew if he's there.

Tennessee should go WR. (Percy Harvin)

Overall it's a pretty good mock draft.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

the plot thickens

Condon Was In Detroit On Friday
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2009, 9:14 p.m.
Despite reports that agent Tom Condon, who represents both Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford and Baylor tackle Jason Smith, won’t meet with the Lions until early this week, a source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Condon was in Detroit on Friday.
It’s unknown whether he was there on behalf of Stafford or Smith. Or both.
Though there have been strong indications that Stafford will be the Lions’ pick, the Lions are at a minimum playing the “signability” game, talking to multiple players in the hopes of getting one of them to sign the most favorable possible deal.
In fact, we’ve been hearing that the Lions have agreements in principle with multiple potential No. 1 overall picks, if the Lions ultimately decide to choose that specific player.
It all strikes us as a tool to leverage the best possible deal from Stafford, who has been telling some of his former Georgia teammates that he’s the guy. Still, in the end, it’s going to take a lot of money to get Stafford under contract.
The reality is that Smith could be had for a lot less, and that it’s in Smith’s best interests for his agent to be undercutting the demands that Stafford’s agent is making.
Since both agents are the same guy, don’t count on that happening.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://www.freep.com/article/200904...B+Matthew+Stafford+complete+you?+Not+at+61.4+

Does Stafford complete you? Not at 61.4%

BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • April 20, 2009

I will not be in the Lions' draft room this weekend, which is too bad, because the prospect of ordering five consecutive meals delivered to the same room is oddly appealing to me.

Nonetheless, I am wrestling with the same question the Lions are asking themselves:

QB, or not QB?

I don't know if the Lions are going to draft Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford. But I assume the first question they are asking is whether they want him -- it's yea or nay on the Georgia quarterback, then on to the rest of the prospects.

There is a lot to like about Stafford. He has breathtaking arm strength; he can make all the throws and a few that haven't been invented yet. He improved in each of his three seasons at Georgia. He is only 21, so he has plenty of time to mature. And he is the kind of deep-slinging quarterback who fits the new Lions' offense. He and Calvin Johnson could be extraordinary together.

Then there is this: I happened to attend his final collegiate game, a win over Michigan State in the Capital One Bowl, and in the postgame news conference, Stafford volunteered that he had not played well in the first half.

He didn't have to say that -- it was his last game (though he hadn't officially decided to turn pro), his team had won, and as I recall, nobody had directly asked about his first-half performance. You have to appreciate that kind of accountability.

Yes, there is a lot to like about Matthew Stafford.

But here is what I don't like: His two worst games of his junior year came in Georgia's two biggest games, against Alabama and Florida. Both times the Bulldogs were obliterated.

In that first half against Michigan State, Stafford's throws were all over the place -- he looked like a classic big-arm, no-touch quarterback. Stafford only completed 61.4% of his passes as a junior, which might sound good to Dan Orlovsky, but is alarming for a No. 1 overall pick.
How alarming? In the last 10 drafts, 21 quarterbacks have been taken in the first round. Nine of them had a lower completion percentage in their final collegiate season than Stafford's 61.4.

The nine: Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Joey Harrington (gasp!), J.P. Losman, Donovan McNabb, Cade McNown, Patrick Ramsey, Akili Smith, Michael Vick.

That is like a Who's Who of inaccurate NFL quarterbacks. Only McNabb and Vick ever played like stars, and that was largely because of their running ability. And even at their best, McNabb and Vick struggled with accuracy.

Can Stafford overcome that history? It is certainly possible. Again, he is young -- one could project that his completion percentage would have gone up if he returned to Georgia for his senior year. But that's just a projection. Stafford only completed 55.7% of his passes as a sophomore.
Stafford will have the advantage of throwing to 6-foot-5 Calvin Johnson, one of the biggest targets in the league.

So it is possible. But do you want to bet the first overall pick that Stafford will defy history? Do you want to spend more than $30 million in guaranteed money on a quarterback who has struggled with the most basic part of his job?

That is too much risk for my taste. The Lions would also do well to compare Stafford with quarterbacks from other drafts. Where would he have gone last year? Surely below Matt Ryan, who was drafted third. Where would he go next year, in what is expected to be a quarterback-rich draft?

Do you want to build a franchise around Matthew Stafford?

I'm sure the Lions are asking themselves the same questions I'm asking. I'm just not sure they are coming up with the same answers.
Contact Michael Rosenberg: 313-222-6052 or [email protected]

 

[Excel]

At this points I would say its obvious that history says that the Lions should NOT draft a QB...but they are the Lions, so they probably will.

I'll have my final mock & draft analysis up in a little while.

 

[El_Citrus]

The Chiefs could pick Curry, but with the addition of Zach Thomas, they may go OT. Eugene Monroe would be that pick.

I'm hearing rumors that the Seahawks will take Sanchez with their #4 pick, but it could simply be strategy to trade with a team.

Bills will probably address the need at OT with a first rounder.

I think Denver would pick up a DT before they take Clay Matthews. So Peria Jerry would be that pick.

I'm not sure if the Falcons would pass on Pettigrew if he's there.

Tennessee should go WR. (Percy Harvin)

Overall it's a pretty good mock draft.

I agree that Monroe could go to KC, but Thomas and Vrabel are just temporary and will help Curry learn and grow as a LB.

A lot of people are sending Sanchez to Seattle, but when healthy and with WR's, Hasselback is a Pro Bowl QB with at least three years left in which Seattle can find a new QB while addressing their needs now in this draft.

Bills should address OT, but I don't think they'll take Oher at 11 and he'll be gone at 28. They'll take someone like William Beatty or Eben Britton in the early second round.

Denver does need a NT, but if it's not Raji, I think they'll wait and try and nab Ron Brace in the second round.

Pettigrew would be a great fit for the Falcons, but this draft is loaded with TE's and the Falcons defense has lost a lot outside of the d-line. They need to build it back up if they want to make the playoffs again.

Tennesse would have to pick between a potentially great CB who would make them forget Pacman, or they could take the risk on Harvin who has injury and potential behavior problems. I don't think Tennessee has forgotten about taking a rookie with tons of talent but potential baggage, and the addition of Nate Washington will sure things up until they can draft a WR in most likely the second round, maybe even trading up to get a Brian Robiskie or Kenny Britt if the Giants trade for Edwards.

 

[StorminNorman]

Is there ever going to be any point I can make without you somehow trying to correct and/or contradict it?

I could make a post saying my house was yellow, and you would respond telling me that I'm wrong and that its actually blue....

I realize the offices arent on the field, but you acted as if they went out of their way to show these guys off when in fact they met with them about 100 yards away.

That is exactly the point I am making, they DID go out of their way to show these guys were at the facility. They brought them on the practice field itself for that very reason.

By comparison Tom Condon has been in Detroit...and no one in the media has seen him.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Chiefs could pick Curry, but with the addition of Zach Thomas, they may go OT. Eugene Monroe would be that pick.

Rotoworld had a report stating Snyder may try to trade up to 3 for Sanchez. While I am not certain the Chiefs would pick Monroe if they are not able to trade the pick, I do believe Monroe will be their pick over Aaron Curry. The dark horses are Tyson Jackson and B.J. Raji.

Bills will probably address the need at OT with a first rounder.

The Bills draft board is fairly easy to identify: their first three targets are Oher/Pettigrew/Center

I think Denver would pick up a DT before they take Clay Matthews. So Peria Jerry would be that pick.

Peria Jerry isn't a 3-4 NG.

Tennessee should go WR. (Percy Harvin)

I think Percy Harvin's off the field concerns will concern a team that was so burnt by Pac Man not too long ago. Harvin will likely fall into the second round.

the plot thickens

Again, they didn't bring Condon onto the Practice Field.

Jason Smith, also, is an idiot. Why in the world has he not changed his agent yet? With Condon as his agent, he has no shot of being the number one pick. Jason Smith has a far less likely hood to slide in this draft (he won't fall past the Bengals at 6 in any case) and no matter what his offer is going to be lower than the lowest Stafford offer (which means Stafford automatically makes Condon more money).

http://www.freep.com/article/200904...B+Matthew+Stafford+complete+you?+Not+at+61.4+

You know who else came out of college with a percentage rating LOWER than Stafford's? Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning.

At this points I would say its obvious that history says that the Lions should NOT draft a QB...but they are the Lions, so they probably will.

I'll have my final mock & draft analysis up in a little while.

History says that if you think a player is a Franchise QB, you select him. Isn't that right Indianapolis.

I agree that Monroe could go to KC, but Thomas and Vrabel are just temporary and will help Curry learn and grow as a LB.

The problem with Curry and Kansas City is the fact they already have a Curry clone in Johnson.

Denver does need a NT, but if it's not Raji, I think they'll wait and try and nab Ron Brace in the second round.

I agree.

Pettigrew would be a great fit for the Falcons, but this draft is loaded with TE's and the Falcons defense has lost a lot outside of the d-line. They need to build it back up if they want to make the playoffs again.

Tennesse would have to pick between a potentially great CB who would make them forget Pacman, or they could take the risk on Harvin who has injury and potential behavior problems. I don't think Tennessee has forgotten about taking a rookie with tons of talent but potential baggage, and the addition of Nate Washington will sure things up until they can draft a WR in most likely the second round, maybe even trading up to get a Brian Robiskie or Kenny Britt if the Giants trade for Edwards.

I agree.

 

[Excel]

History says that if you think a player is a Franchise QB, you select him. Isn't that right Indianapolis.

There are a dozen teams I could insert sarcastically inplace of Indy.

 

[StorminNorman]

There are a dozen teams I could insert sarcastically inplace of Indy.

And there are teams like Philadelphia, New York, Pittsburgh that all found a franchise QB and built a stable team of success.

If you think you have a Franchise QB, you take him. Period. Matthew Stafford has jumped through every hoop, he has performed wonderfully as the favorite. He is the Detroit Lions choice, he will be a Lion and I think he will be great.

 

[Excel]

Im going to assume Braylon Edwards goes to the Giants for their 1st rounder, but that’s the only trade Ill do.

1 Detroit - Matt Stafford, QB
2 St. Louis - Jason Smith, OL
3 Kansas City - Brian Orakpo, DE
4 Seattle - Eugene Monroe, OL
5 Cleveland - Michael Crabtree, WR
6 Cincinnati - Aaron Curry, DE
7 Oakland - Andre Smith, OL
8 Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT
9 Green Bay - Everette Brown, DE
10 San Francisco - Mark Sanchez, QB
11 Buffalo - Michael Oher, OL
12 Denver - Malcolm Jenkins, CB
13 Washington - Aaron Maybin, DE
14 New Orleans - Vontae Davis, CB
15 Houston - Brian Cushing, LB
16 San Diego - Rey Maualuga, LB
17 N.Y. Jets - Darrius Heyward Bey, WR
18 Denver - Tyson Jackson, DE
19 Tampa Bay - Robert Ayers, DE
20 Detroit (Dal) - Clay Matthews, LB
21 Philadelphia - Chris Wells, RB
22 Minnesota - Max Unger, OL
23 New England - Alphonso Smith, CB
24 Atlanta - Brandon Pettigrew, TE
25 Miami - Jeremy Maclin, WR
26 Baltimore - Kenny Britt, WR
27 Indianapolis - Hakeem Nicks, WR
28 Buffalo - Michael Johnson, DE
29 Cleveland - Larry English, LB
30 Tennessee - Peria Jerry, DT
31 Arizona - Knowshon Moreno, RB
32 Pittsburgh - Ebon Britton, OL

Significant 2nd round picks:
33 Detroit - Ziggy Hood, DT
34 New England - Connor Barwin, DE
35 St. Louis - James Laurenatus, LB
36 Cleveland - Donald Brown, RB
37 Seattle: Darrius Butler, CB
38 Cincinnati - Alex Mack, OL
39 Jacksonville D.J. Moore, CB
40 Oakland - Brian Robiskie, WR
41 Green Bay - William Beatty, OL
45 N.Y. Giants - Clint Sidbury, LB
47 New England - Percy Harvin, WR
48 Denver - Ron Brace, DT
49 Chicago - Derrick Williams, WR
51 Dallas - Muhammad Masaquai, WR
52 Philadelphia - Ramses Barden, WR
58 New England - Sean Smith, S
63 Arizona - EricWood, OL

Impact 3rd rounders:
71 Oakland - Jarrett Dilliard WR
77 Houston - Shonn Greene, RB
89 Jasper Brinkley LB

My big Board Top 50-guys, in order, I feel are the most talented & and will have biggest rookie Impact

1. Aaron Curry
2. Michael Crabtree
3. Andre Smith
4. Malcolm Jenkins
5. Jason Smith
6. BJ Raji
7. Chris Wells
8. Mark Sanchez
9. Eugene Monroe
10. Everette Brown
11. Knowshon Moreno
12. Michael Oher
13. Brian Cushing
14. Tyson Jackson
15. Matthew Stafford
16. Brandon Pettigrew
17. Vontae Davis
18. Rey Mauluaga
19. Brian Robiskie-really like his fluidness, very polished.
20. Aarn Maybin
21. Kenny Britt-punisher of a wide receiver with the swagger to succeed; next Brandon Marshall
22. Alphonso Smith
23. Alex Mack
24. Hakeem Nicks
25. Peria Jerry
26. Michael Johnson
27. D.J. Moore
28. LeSean McCoy
29. Darrius Butler
30. Clay Matthews
31.William Beatty
32. Duke Robinson
33. Donald Brown
34. Ziggy Hood
35. Jared Cooke
36. Larry English
37. Josh Freeman
38. James Laurenatis
39. Ebon Britton
40. Clint Eastwood
41. Fili Moala
42. Ramses Barden- 6’6 runs a 4.5 flat; this is the next Marques Coltson.
43. Robert Ayers
44. Patrick Chung
45. Max Unger
46. Sean Smith
47. Darrius Heyward Bey- Hes here due to his athletic ability, but damn he needs work. Terrible hips and form, but with coaching could develop into a major weapon; showed vast improvement in college.
48. Eric Wood
49. Percy Harvin
50. Ron Brace


Based on my opinion on their skills; NOT the order they’ll be drafted in.

Top Quarterbacks:
1. Mark Sanchez
2. Matthew Stafford
3. Josh Freeman

Top Running Backs:
1. Chris Wells
2. Knowshon Moreno
3. LeSean McCoy
4. Donald Brown
5. James Davis
6. Shomn Greene
7. Rashad Jennings
8. Andre Brown
9. Jeremiah Johnson
10. Javon Ringer

Top Wide Receivers:
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Brian Robieskie
3. Kenny Britt
4. Hakeem Nicks
5. Jeremy Maclin
6. Ramses Barden
7. Darrius Heyward Bey
8. Percy Harvin
9. Jarrett Dilliard
10. Derrick Williams

 

[StorminNorman]

First round
Pk Sel # Team
1 1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB
2 2 St. Louis Jason Smith LT
3 3 Kansas City Tyson Jackson DE
4 4 Seattle B.J. Raji DT
5 5 Cleveland Michael Crabtree WR
6 6 Cincinnati Eugene Monroe LT
7 7 Oakland Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 8 Jacksonville Aaron Curry LB
9 9 Green Bay Brian Orakpo OLB
10 10 San Francisco Andre Smith OL
11 11 Buffalo Michael Oher LT
12 12 Denver Rey Maualuga MLB
13 13 Washington Mark Sanchez QB
14 14 New Orleans Brian Cushing LB
15 15 Houston Malcolm Jenkins DB
16 16 San Diego Aaron Maybin OLB
17 17 N.Y. Jets Jeremy Maclin WR
18 18 Denver (from Chicago) Evander "Ziggy" Hood DE
19 19 Tampa Bay Everette Brown DE
20 20 Detroit (from Dallas) Robert Ayers DE
21 21 Philadelphia Shawn Nelson TE
22 22 Minnesota Eben Britton RT
23 23 New England Clay Matthews OLB
24 24 Atlanta Michael Johnson DE
25 25 Miami Sean Smith DB
26 26 Baltimore Kenny Britt WR
27 27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT
28 28 Buffalo (from Phil) Brandon Pettigrew TE
29 29 N.Y. Giants Larry English OLB/DE
30 30 Tennessee Vontae Davis CB
31 31 Arizona Knowshon Moreno RB
32 32 Pittsburgh Alphonso Smith CB

Second round
Pk Sel # Team
1 33 Detroit William Beatty LT
2 34 New England Darius Butler CB
3 35 St. Louis James Laurenatus MLB
4 36 Cleveland Chris "Beanie" Wells RB
5 37 Seattle Phil Loadholt RT
6 38 Cincinnati Alex Mack C
7 39 Jacksonville Hakeem Nicks WR
8 40 Oakland Fili Moala DT
9 41 Green Bay Jarron Gilbert DE
10 42 Buffalo Eric Wood C
11 43 San Francisco Clint Sintum OLB/DE
12 44 Miami (from Wash) Percy Harvin WR
13 45 N.Y. Giants (from NO) Brian Robinski WR
14 46 Houston Louis Delmas S
15 47 New England (from SD) Max Unger OL
16 48 Denver Ron Brace NG
17 49 Chicago Mohammed Massaqoui WR
18 50 Cleveland (from Tampa) Connor Barwin OLB
19 51 Dallas Rashad Johnson S
20 52 N.Y. Jets Josh Freeman QB
21 53 Philadelphia Donald Brown RB
22 54 Minnesota Alex Magee DT
23 55 Atlanta Jared Cook TE
24 56 Miami Leshaun McCoy RB
25 57 Baltimore Jamon Meredith OT
26 58 New England Patrick Chung S
27 59 Carolina Pat White QB/WR
28 60 N.Y. Giants Cornelius Ingram TE
29 61 Indianapolis Brandon Tate WR
30 62 Tennessee Ramses Barden WR
31 63 Arizona Paul Kruger DE/OLB
32 64 Pittsburgh Duke Robinson G

*A few notes. I think it is very likely Washington trades up to get Sanchez at 3 - both Kansas City and Washington have the players I expect them to select in such a trade. I also believe the Jets will pass on Freeman for Maclin and then trade back in for Freeman. Excel won't like my placement of Beanie Wells, but I do believe that RB's will slip in this draft. There is not a lot of demand here, IMO.

 

[Cmill216]

Where's Knowshon?

 

[Excel]

^I just saw the report that Jackson could go #3 to Kansas; that would be very interesting.

 

[StorminNorman]

Where's Knowshon?

At Arizona.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Still not in love with Stafford, but if you told me we'd also get Ayers and Beatty, I'd sign for it now.

 

[Excel]

If darius Heyward Bey is a top 10 pick...whoever that scout is should NEVER work again..

 

[StorminNorman]

Troy Williamson was a top 10 pick.

Ted Gin Jr. was a top 10 pick.

 

[Excel]

Yes, but atleast they had tape and college production to back it up.