2009 NFL Draft Thread (aka Excel & Norman's personal b**ch and moan thread)

[StorminNorman]

My positional rankings:

QB
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Rhett Bomar
4. Josh Freeman
5. Pat White

RB
1. Knowshon Moreno
2. Donald Brown
3. Chris Wells
4. Shonn Green
5. Leshaun McCoy

WR
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Hakeem Nicks
3. Kenny Britt
4. Jeremy Maclin
5. Brian Robinski
6. Darius Heyward-Bey

TE
1. Brandon Pettigrew
2. Jared Cook
3. Shaun Nelson
4. James Casey
5. Cornelius Ingram

OT
1. Jason Smith
2. Andre Smith
3. Eugene Monreo
4. Michael Oher
5. William Beatty

OG/C
1. Alex Mack
2. Max Unger
3. Eric Wood
4. Duke Robinson
5. Andre Caldwell

DT
1. B.J. Raji
2. Ziggy Hood
3. Peria Jerry
4. Ron Brace
5. Chris Baker

3-4 NG
1. Ron Brace
2. B.J. Raji
3. Sammy Lee Hill

4-3 DE
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Robert Ayers
3. Tyson Jackson
4. Everette Brown
5. Paul Kruger

3-4 DE
1. B.J. Raji
2. Tyson Jackson
3. Ziggy Hood

4-3 OLB
1. Aaron Curry
2. Brian Cushing
3. Clint Sintim
4. Connor Barwin
5. Marcus Freeman

3-4 OLB
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Robert Ayers
3. Aaron Maybin
4. Larry English
5. Clay Matthews

ILB
1. Rey Mauluga
2. James Laurinitis
3. Aaron Curry
4. Jasper Brinkley
5. Gerald McGrath

CB
1. Sean Smith
2. Darius Butler
3. Malcolm Jenkins
4. Alphonso Smith
5. Joe Burnett

S.
1. Malcolm Jenkins
2. Sean Smith
3. Louis Delmas
4. Patrick Chung
5. Rashad Johnson

Top 3 Boom/Bust Prospects - Offense
1. Mark Sanchez
2. Josh Freeman
3. Darius Heyward-Bey

Top 3 Boom/Bust Prospect - Defense
1. Michael Johnson
2. Vontae Davis
3. Aaron Maybin

Top 5 Sleeper Pick
1. Joe Burnett CB
2. Jasper Brinkley MLB
3. Robert Francois OLB
4. Quan Cosby WR
5. Steven McGee QB

 

[StorminNorman]

Yes, but atleast they had tape and college production to back it up.

Troy Williamson and DHB are very comparable on tape.

The biggest difference is DHB is faster, bigger and has far better hands.

 

[Kaleb]

My positional rankings:

QB
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Rhett Bomar
4. Josh Freeman
5. Pat White

RB
1. Knowshon Moreno
2. Donald Brown
3. Chris Wells
4. Shonn Green
5. Leshaun McCoy

WR
1. Michael Crabtree
2. Hakeem Nicks
3. Kenny Britt
4. Jeremy Maclin
5. Brian Robinski
6. Darius Heyward-Bey

TE
1. Brandon Pettigrew
2. Jared Cook
3. Shaun Nelson
4. James Casey
5. Cornelius Ingram

OT
1. Jason Smith
2. Andre Smith
3. Eugene Monreo
4. Michael Oher
5. William Beatty

OG/C
1. Alex Mack
2. Max Unger
3. Eric Wood
4. Duke Robinson
5. Andre Caldwell

DT
1. B.J. Raji
2. Ziggy Hood
3. Peria Jerry
4. Ron Brace
5. Chris Baker

3-4 NG
1. Ron Brace
2. B.J. Raji
3. Sammy Lee Hill

4-3 DE
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Robert Ayers
3. Tyson Jackson
4. Everette Brown
5. Paul Kruger

3-4 DE
1. B.J. Raji
2. Tyson Jackson
3. Ziggy Hood

4-3 OLB
1. Aaron Curry
2. Brian Cushing
3. Clint Sintim
4. Connor Barwin
5. Marcus Freeman

3-4 OLB
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Robert Ayers
3. Aaron Maybin
4. Larry English
5. Clay Matthews

ILB
1. Rey Mauluga
2. James Laurinitis
3. Aaron Curry
4. Jasper Brinkley
5. Gerald McGrath

CB
1. Sean Smith
2. Darius Butler
3. Malcolm Jenkins
4. Alphonso Smith
5. Joe Burnett

S.
1. Malcolm Jenkins
2. Sean Smith
3. Louis Delmas
4. Patrick Chung
5. Rashad Johnson

Top 3 Boom/Bust Prospects - Offense
1. Mark Sanchez
2. Josh Freeman
3. Darius Heyward-Bey

Top 3 Boom/Bust Prospect - Defense
1. Michael Johnson
2. Vontae Davis
3. Aaron Maybin

Top 5 Sleeper Pick
1. Joe Burnett CB
2. Jasper Brinkley MLB
3. Robert Francois OLB
4. Quan Cosby WR
5. Steven McGee QB

agree 100 % with your wr rankings and your RB rankings.

 

[Cmill216]

At Arizona.

Editastic.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I agree that Monroe could go to KC, but Thomas and Vrabel are just temporary and will help Curry learn and grow as a LB.

The Ravens and Patriots have won with older more expierenced defenses. I think getting Cassel the protection he needs is a #1 priority. You don't want him to lose the magic from last season.

A lot of people are sending Sanchez to Seattle, but when healthy and with WR's, Hasselback is a Pro Bowl QB with at least three years left in which Seattle can find a new QB while addressing their needs now in this draft.

I agree with this. I honestly don't think they need Sanchez at the moment. I think B.J Raji or Eugene Monroe should be taken here.

Bills should address OT, but I don't think they'll take Oher at 11 and he'll be gone at 28. They'll take someone like William Beatty or Eben Britton in the early second round.

I think the first pick should be OLB/DE. The second pick is a toss up depending on who's there. If Pettigrew is there at 28 it's a no brainer.

Denver does need a NT, but if it's not Raji, I think they'll wait and try and nab Ron Brace in the second round.

I disagree. I think nabbing one in the first round should be a priority. Whether it's Peria Jerry or Evander Hood, they should get one.

Pettigrew would be a great fit for the Falcons, but this draft is loaded with TE's and the Falcons defense has lost a lot outside of the d-line. They need to build it back up if they want to make the playoffs again.

They could wait on a Jared Cook, Shawn Nelson or Chase Coffman in the 2nd round, but if Pettigrew is there, they'll think about it.

Tennesse would have to pick between a potentially great CB who would make them forget Pacman, or they could take the risk on Harvin who has injury and potential behavior problems. I don't think Tennessee has forgotten about taking a rookie with tons of talent but potential baggage, and the addition of Nate Washington will sure things up until they can draft a WR in most likely the second round, maybe even trading up to get a Brian Robiskie or Kenny Britt if the Giants trade for Edwards.

That was one of the number one defenses last season. I think drafting a WR for Collins to throw too should be the option. They haven't had a great WR in a LONG time. CB is an an option, just not here IMO.

Rotoworld had a report stating Snyder may try to trade up to 3 for Sanchez. While I am not certain the Chiefs would pick Monroe if they are not able to trade the pick, I do believe Monroe will be their pick over Aaron Curry. The dark horses are Tyson Jackson and B.J. Raji.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Snyder trade up for Sanchez. I think Monroe goes #3 if the Chiefs don't trade.

The Bills draft board is fairly easy to identify: their first three targets are Oher/Pettigrew/Center

Agreed

Peria Jerry isn't a 3-4 NG.

I've seen a few mock drafts where Denver has taken Peria Jerry. I think if B.J Raji falls to #12 they'll take him.

I think Percy Harvin's off the field concerns will concern a team that was so burnt by Pac Man not too long ago. Harvin will likely fall into the second round.

IMO, If a Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt is there, they should take one of them

 

[El_Citrus]

The Ravens and Patriots have won with older more expierenced defenses. I think getting Cassel the protection he needs is a #1 priority. You don't want him to lose the magic from last season.

But those older, more experienced defenses were in place for a few years. Thomas only has a one year contract that Curry could fill in next year if Thomas retires. There are plenty of tackles in this draft that can be found in the later rounds. Monroe is a possibility, but right now I don't see them passing up on Curry. Things may change by the end of the week when I post my final mock draft.

I disagree. I think nabbing one in the first round should be a priority. Whether it's Peria Jerry or Evander Hood, they should get one.

They need to sure up their outside linebacking core and pass rush. I think Clay Mattews may end up elsewhere but for the moment he's in Denver for me and combining him with Everette Brown, DJ Williams, and Andra Davis and Denver has a very solid linebacking core. There are second round DT's that fit Denver's 3-4 better than Jerry. Hood could be an option.

That was one of the number one defenses last season. I think drafting a WR for Collins to throw too should be the option. They haven't had a great WR in a LONG time. CB is an an option, just not here IMO.

Tennessee didn't have any big name receivers last year and look how far they got with that running game. Adding in Nate Washington will bring a little bit of juice to that passing game and they can trade up in the second round to grab a receiver, but if Butler is on the board, Tenn. can not pass him up.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Snyder trade up for Sanchez.

Snyder's crazy enough to trade up to get Sanchez and trade Campbell away, maybe to Jacksonville.

IMO, If a Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt is there, they should take one of them

Kenny Britt will be there but I don't think Tennessee will use a first rounder on him.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Lions Unveil New Logo

Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 2:47 p.m.

The Detroit Lions officially have unveiled their new logo and uniforms.
As expected, they are the same logo and uniforms that leaked to the Internet a few weeks ago.

The logo came from a toy tractor-trailer that inadvertently appeared at NFLShop.com. The uniforms came from an internal style sheet showing the details of the new duds.

“We will consistently present the Lions as a first-class organization with a clear sense of mission and direction,” team president Tom Lewand said at a press conference that, as we hear it, included fans chanting, “Don’t draft Stafford.”

“We have made several significant changes this offseason in accordance with that commitment,” Lewand added. “The introduction of this new brand identity is another element of that process. Today is an exciting and historic day for this franchise.”
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nice

Guess it's good that we didnt introduce him there

 

[Dark Donnie]

Knowshon Moreno-RB-Player Apr. 20 - 3:16 pm et

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that the Eagles are intent on drafting Georgia RB Knowshon Moreno are are willing to trade up to get him.

Teams ahead of Philly at No. 21 who might snatch Moreno include New Orleans (No. 14), Houston (15), San Diego (16), the Jets (17), and the Lions (20). The Eagles have ammo to move up, even after the Jason Peters deal.

t:

 

[Excel]

Glad to hear theyll take an RB though Wells is a better fit for them at the moment. Though the thought of McNabb and Morenos clown personalities on the same team is

Troy Williamson and DHB are very comparable on tape.

The biggest difference is DHB is faster, bigger and has far better hands.

Williamson and espec. Ginn had much better college #'s.

My boom or busts offensively...

1. Chris Wells
2. Andre Smith
3. Darrius Heyward Bey

 

[NewYorkSpider]

But those older, more experienced defenses were in place for a few years. Thomas only has a one year contract that Curry could fill in next year if Thomas retires. There are plenty of tackles in this draft that can be found in the later rounds. Monroe is a possibility, but right now I don't see them passing up on Curry. Things may change by the end of the week when I post my final mock draft.

Scott Pioli should be more worried about getting his QB protection. And this move would makes sense finanncially. Paring Monroe with his former teammate Branden Albert would make a fantastic offensive line. And again, Curry is an option here, but getting your QB more protection makes more sense. The Chiefs could also trade down and stockpile more draft picks.

They need to sure up their outside linebacking core and pass rush. I think Clay Mattews may end up elsewhere but for the moment he's in Denver for me and combining him with Everette Brown, DJ Williams, and Andra Davis and Denver has a very solid linebacking core. There are second round DT's that fit Denver's 3-4 better than Jerry. Hood could be an option.

Don't be surprised if Julius Peppers name comes up for a trade with the Denver Broncos. The Panthers are intent on moving him at some point. The draft makes sense since the Broncos have two first rounders, Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 and the Panthers could use a 1st rounder. The Panthers then could select their DE or DT. They could also look at QB depending on who's there. As far as Jerry fitting in a 3-4 scheme, I think that has no meaning to Denver whatsoever. If they're planning on taking Ron Brace in the second round then I can understand, but the need for DT through the league is enough for them to think about him.

Tennessee didn't have any big name receivers last year and look how far they got with that running game. Adding in Nate Washington will bring a little bit of juice to that passing game and they can trade up in the second round to grab a receiver, but if Butler is on the board, Tenn. can not pass him up.

The running game isn't always going to succesful. I think that was their downfall in the playoffs when Collins didn't have a deep threat. Most of his passes were to Chris Johnson, LenDale White and Justin Gage. Adding a threat down field makes this team more dangerous. While the team has struggled with the corners, the defense should be primed to a repeat performance of last season. Don't be surprised if the Titans make a surprise pick here at pick 31.

Snyder's crazy enough to trade up to get Sanchez and trade Campbell away, maybe to Jacksonville.

I don't think Campbell's all that different from Garrard. The only way this works for Jacksonville is getting more draft picks.

Kenny Britt will be there but I don't think Tennessee will use a first rounder on him.

The Titans didn't have anybody crack the top 40 with recieving yds. IMO they should use a first rounder on a WR. This also depends on who's there.

 

[Excel]

Titans did sign Nate Washington though; the Washington-Gage combo is ok for a team that runs it 60% of the time.

 

[Mastodon123]

http://www.freep.com/article/200904...+crowd+greets+Lions++Lewand+at+logo+unveiling

Lewand declined to give any details or timetable, though he and general manager Martin Mayhew have said they would like to sign their No. 1 pick before the draft. He carefully indicated the Lions wouldn’t do what’s popular but what they think will be best for the team for the long term, while appreciating the fans’ passion.

 

[Immortalfire]

Glad to hear theyll take an RB though Wells is a better fit for them at the moment. Though the thought of McNabb and Morenos clown personalities on the same team is

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Titans did sign Nate Washington though; the Washington-Gage combo is ok for a team that runs it 60% of the time.

I'm not convinced that Gage is a huge threat on that team. The Titans, IMO, need to go the route of Arizona with two good playmaking recievers on the outside. And I understand they run the ball more than they pass, but adding someone like Britt to that team makes them one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Ravens and Patriots have won with older more expierenced defenses. I think getting Cassel the protection he needs is a #1 priority. You don't want him to lose the magic from last season.

It's worth noting Brandon Albert had a very good rookie season at LT and that RT's are slightly easier to find than franchise LT's. Now, that being said, Monroe/Albert would be a sexy pair of bookends for 10 years.

I agree with this. I honestly don't think they need Sanchez at the moment. I think B.J Raji or Eugene Monroe should be taken here.

I know Monroe to Seattle is the Sexy Pick, but word out of Seattle is that they really like their RT from last year to step into the LT position.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Snyder trade up for Sanchez. I think Monroe goes #3 if the Chiefs don't trade.

Even if the Chiefs don't trade down, I think Jackson could still be the guy. It seems he is getting comparisons to RIchard Seymore and may be seen increasingly as a top 5 value.

I've seen a few mock drafts where Denver has taken Peria Jerry. I think if B.J Raji falls to #12 they'll take him.

Peria Jerry is a one gap penetrator. He could make for an outstanding DE in a 3-4, but he can't play a two gap NG.

 

[Excel]

Is anybody else watching otl from 2004 showing Big Ben and DeAngelou Halls ripping on Eli before the draft? lmao:

 

[Excel]

Your a Georgia fan; you never saw Moreno dancing on the sideline? Morenos a goon you gotta love his enthusiasm

 

[StorminNorman]

nice

Guess it's good that we didnt introduce him there

Those guys will be glad to eat crow when Stafford becomes a Hall of Fame QB.

Glad to hear theyll take an RB though Wells is a better fit for them at the moment. Though the thought of McNabb and Morenos clown personalities on the same team is

Moreno will be Rookie of the Year in Philadelphia.

Williamson and espec. Ginn had much better college #'s.

Have you decided to just not even bother doing a google search any more?

DHB Career stats: 138 Rec, 2089 Yards, 13 TD
Williamson: 91 Rec. 1754 Yards 13 TD

Ted Ginn's stats are comparable, but DHB had terrible QB's while Ginn had a Heisman winner.

My boom or busts offensively...

1. Chris Wells
2. Andre Smith
3. Darrius Heyward Bey

I think Smith is a very safe pick. If nothing else he will be a Pro Bowl guard.

Titans did sign Nate Washington though; the Washington-Gage combo is ok for a team that runs it 60% of the time.

They still could use another legit WR. They need to get Torry Holt.

 

[Immortalfire]

Your a Georgia fan; you never saw Moreno dancing on the sideline? Morenos a goon you gotta love his enthusiasm

Oh, I wasn't sure what you meant. You made it sound like he's a fellow with an attitude problem.

 

[Excel]

Those guys will be glad to eat crow when Stafford becomes a Hall of Fame QB.

Maybe if he goes to Denver.

Moreno will be Rookie of the Year in Philadelphia.

Well see where Wells, Crabs go.

Have you decided to just not even bother doing a google search any more?

DHB Career stats: 138 Rec, 2089 Yards, 13 TD
Williamson: 91 Rec. 1754 Yards 13 TD

Screw carreer.

Final season numbers:

DHB: 42 rec, 609 yards, 5 td
Troy: 43 rec, 835 yards, 7 td

I think Smith is a very safe pick. If nothing else he will be a Pro Bowl guard.

If he was safe he wouldnt be plumetting.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

It's worth noting Brandon Albert had a very good rookie season at LT and that RT's are slightly easier to find than franchise LT's. Now, that being said, Monroe/Albert would be a sexy pair of bookends for 10 years.

I agree. The Chiefs could go either way with their pick, I just like Monroe more.

I know Monroe to Seattle is the Sexy Pick, but word out of Seattle is that they really like their RT from last year to step into the LT position.

Do you think they're using Sanchez as bait? Getting another team to trade up to get him?

Even if the Chiefs don't trade down, I think Jackson could still be the guy. It seems he is getting comparisons to RIchard Seymore and may be seen increasingly as a top 5 value.

Jackson wouldn't be a bad pick at all.

They still could use another legit WR. They need to get Torry Holt.

The Titans trying to get another WR makes me think they're not convinced with their WR core. Also, I believe Torry Holt is heading to the Jaguars?

 

[Excel]

Harrison > Holt

 

[StorminNorman]

I agree. The Chiefs could go either way with their pick, I just like Monroe more.

[quite]Do you think they're using Sanchez as bait? Getting another team to trade up to get him?[/quote]

Very well. I think there is one issue of Seattle that no one is looking at. They traded for Cory Redding...and moved him to defensive end. There is still a huge hole at the DT spot. I really think they are throwing enough smoke in the air to grab Raji.

The Titans trying to get another WR makes me think they're not convinced with their WR core. Also, I believe Torry Holt is heading to the Jaguars?

I agree. Torry Holt is in talks with Jacksonville, but I have heard to not count it as a done deal yet. Tennessee is still in the picture.

Maybe if he goes to Denver.

He's not going to Denver. Detroit's a sure thing.

Well see where Wells, Crabs go.

I disagree.

Screw carreer.

Final season numbers:

DHB: 42 rec, 609 yards, 5 td
Troy: 43 rec, 835 yards, 7 td

See, only looking at one year is how busts happen. You want to see consistency. DHB put up those sort of numbers EVERY YEAR. Troy Williams doubled his previous two seasons his last year.

If he was safe he wouldnt be plumetting.

He is going to be a top 10 pick.

He's not plummetting. If Andre Smith had a decent combine, he would still be the third tackle taken - simply because he does not project as strong as a LT than either Smith or Monroe.

Harrison > Holt

 

[Excel]

He's not going to Denver. Detroit's a sure thing.

Sarcasm.

I disagree.

Even if you have to admitt Wells has a much bigger upside than Moreno.

See, only looking at one year is how busts happen. You want to see consistency. DHB put up those sort of numbers EVERY YEAR. Troy Williams doubled his previous two seasons his last year.

Wiliamson wasnt a starter while DHB was. TW was a huge reach anyways, my point is HB is just as if not bigger.

He is going to be a top 10 pick.

He shoulda numero uno lock.

He's not plummetting. If Andre Smith had a decent combine, he would still be the third tackle taken - simply because he does not project as strong as a LT than either Smith or Monroe.

Andre Smiths tape much better than either Monroes or Smith. Andre been a dominator for years, he was this years Jake Long until the combine.

Harrisons 08 tape is better than Holts, thats for bloody damn sure. Harrins still got hands and route, and the speed is still pretty good.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d194a2

Holt...I dont see anything.

 

[StorminNorman]

Even if you have to admitt Wells has a much bigger upside than Moreno.

I don't. I think Moreno is a better football player. I think he is more dedicated, more intelligent, more focused, more durable, quicker (not faster), has better vision, has better skills. He is a tougher runner than Wells in spite of his size. The only thing Wells has over Moreno is 40 speed.

Wiliamson wasnt a starter while DHB was. TW was a huge reach anyways, my point is HB is just as if not bigger.

If Williamson couldn't start on that USC team, there was a problem. DHB is not as big a reach as Williamson and really is, IMO, comparble to Ted Ginn. Again - if DHB has a real QB at Maryland, I think his production would be the same.

He shoulda numero uno lock.

No he shouldn't of been. Again, he's probably not a Left Tackle - and that has nothing to do with his combine. It has everything to do with the fact he is a few inches short and not as good at Pass Protecting as he is Run Blocking.

Andre Smiths tape much better than either Monroes or Smith. Andre been a dominator for years, he was this years Jake Long until the combine.

His tape is better at run blocking. He is a huge, dominating tackle. But, on the tape, he is not as good of a pass protector as either Monroe or Jason Smith. People were questioning Andre Smith LONG before the combine.

Jake Long, also, had huge question marks last year. He was NOT the best Tackle in his draft class.

Harrisons 08 tape is better than Holts, thats for bloody damn sure. Harrins still got hands and route, and the speed is still pretty good.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d194a2

Holt...I dont see anything.

Harrison's team was also better. Significantly.