2010 NFL Draft Discussion

[Excel]

That's true. They need some much...they ought to draft Dez Bryant...Russel to Bryant could be lethal...oh wait, they already drafted DHB....Russels been benched.

I dont think a team has ever taken a bigger collective step backwards in one year than Oakland has this season.

Have you watched the same Notre Dame team that I have the past two seasons? He hasnt even looked as good as Brady Quinn did at Notre Dame.

I like Clausens transition to the pro's more than Quinn who I was never high on...Quinn never had any sort of poise. Clausen throws to perhaps the best receiving group in the nation, but he strikes me as someone for whome football is his LIFE. Its hard to imagine not succeeding where ever he goes.

 

[VampElvis]

Who's the first RB taken, and how high? (Umm, let me clarify, not "how high" like Percy Harvin, but how high/low a number in the draft.)

 

[StorminNorman]

C.J. Spiller

 

[VampElvis]

Does he crack the top 10?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

That's incredibly inaccurate.

so is Jimmy Clausen.

I like Clausens transition to the pro's more than Quinn who I was never high on...Quinn never had any sort of poise. Clausen throws to perhaps the best receiving group in the nation, but he strikes me as someone for whome football is his LIFE. Its hard to imagine not succeeding where ever he goes.

Clausne comes off like Chris Simms. The college pundits swear up and down how good and sound of a QB he is. But he never really shows any leadership, or wins all that much. Then they start calling him a "next level guy" because of his "tools". Then he gets to the NFl and well, you know the rest.

 

[Immortalfire]

You assume that Oakland knows what it's doing.

 

[BigSams50]

i would love that. Carolina really needs something fresh at QB, especially since Jake's not getting it done for them.

Yea Jake is horrible. All the Panther fans i knew in Fayetteville hated him

 

[StorminNorman]

Does he crack the top 10?

Probably not. I don't know if I would ever draft a RB in the top 10 again.

so is Jimmy Clausen.



Clausne comes off like Chris Simms. The college pundits swear up and down how good and sound of a QB he is. But he never really shows any leadership, or wins all that much. Then they start calling him a "next level guy" because of his "tools". Then he gets to the NFl and well, you know the rest.

Why are so always so wrong about QB's.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Why are so always so wrong about QB's.

When are you going to admit that you're actually Mel Kiper Jr?

 

[ComicChick]

When are you going to admit that you're actually Mel Kiper Jr?

paternity test pending lol

 

[Excel]

Spiller is best player who plays running back; but from a "running" perspective and not counting special teams, I would take Jahvid Best over him. As an athlete Spiller is a lot like Chris Johnson, but I just do not like his tape at all. The guy has zero patience on the majority of his runs (CJ showed very impressive patience in college); in the NFL when there is no hole he will zoom to the outside ala Reggie and gets stuffed.

Jahvid Best, though having less burst (he still has excellent burst), has much better pateince and vision than Spiller. Anyone who remembers Cliton Portis back when he was with Denver, that pretty much IS Jahvid Best.

 

[Excel]

Clausne comes off like Chris Simms. The college pundits swear up and down how good and sound of a QB he is. But he never really shows any leadership, or wins all that much. Then they start calling him a "next level guy" because of his "tools". Then he gets to the NFl and well, you know the rest.

1st of all, Simms was decent in his 1 season as a starter throwing to noone back in 2005 . He hasnt panned out, but his growth was totally stunted by injuries.

2nd, it is not Clausen's fault his defense was terrible. His carreer is filled with comebacks where he was down early and fought back and *almost* won, but didn't. Does Clausen benefit from throwing to guys like Michael Floyd which let him get away with passes like this/or put huge #s on simple throws:

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YES. But he also has a lot more poise and maturity than pretty much anyone else.

 

[Darthphere]

so is Jimmy Clausen.

Yes, 68% is terribly inaccurate.

 

[Alex The Great]

I don't see the Vikings drafting a QB in the first, Favre has been an MVP QB this year and I expect him to stay.


I think that Tebow may not be fantastic in the NFl as the 1 million ESPN football commentators say, but hey, one team will bite. I want to say the Raiders but they punched down money on Mr. Tubs, so most likely not.

Tebow to the jags seems a better fit

 

[StorminNorman]

I have always loved the idea of Tebow in Minnesota, though I think Tavaris may end up being their QB of the future after all.

 

[Alex The Great]

I have always loved the idea of Tebow in Minnesota, though I think Tavaris may end up being their QB of the future after all.

The way Favre is playing, they won't draft a Qb this year, they might go for Tebow and see what happens. But what if Favre keeps being really good for like, 3 years?

 

[StorminNorman]

The way Favre is playing, they won't draft a Qb this year, they might go for Tebow and see what happens. But what if Favre keeps being really good for like, 3 years?

One year is a possibility, two is not. Draft now, especially considering the development Tebow needs.

 

[That-Guy]

Okay, I have to admit to being a bit of a moron here when it comes to the draft. I don't follow college football hardly at all. So I'm curious what it is specifically that teams look for when drafting a QB. I have heard Tebow's name brought up a lot over the past few years and just assumed he was a shoe-in first round pick, but looking around various sites, it seems that most analysts are thinking he's late first round at best, and more likely second or third.

Do they feel that he rushes too often? Do they only look for pure pocket passers in the draft? What specifically is evaluated when drafting a QB?

 

[StorminNorman]

Arguably the most difficult position in all of sports is that of an NFL QB. In order to excel at being an NFL QB you have to be the hardest worker on the team, have the mind of a computer and the ability to place the ball into windows that are ridiculously small. You have to be able to go to the line, read the defense, make adjustments and then snap the ball in about 20-25 seconds - its incredibly difficult.

Not every team looks for the same things in a QB. Some teams believe that you cant teach talent and thus skew themselves to players with big arms, believing that can teach them the rest. Other teams look for leadership credentials, confident that if they win the locker room, they can win on the field. Others look for the smartest QB they can find, believing that they can simply out scheme defenses. Ideally, every team wants a bit of all of those - but what they put the highest priority on will play a big role on what QBs they target.

Its difficult for college QBs to enter the NFL because college defenses are so different from NFL ones. College QBs can get away with throwing the ball to wide open wide receivers, in the NFL you rarely ever have a wide open receiver.

There are several reasons why Tebow will be knocked. At Florida, he has run a very simple spread passing offense, he will have to learn a lot of offensive philosophy in the NFL. Tebows form is also not typical for a QB, watch him throw a ball and compare it to Peyton Manning.

Tebow does, however, have the ability to win over a lockerroom. On a personal level, he will learn the trust and respect of his teammates. As such, teams that place the highest value on that will have no problem taking him in the first round if they need a QB.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Okay, I have to admit to being a bit of a moron here when it comes to the draft. I don't follow college football hardly at all. So I'm curious what it is specifically that teams look for when drafting a QB. I have heard Tebow's name brought up a lot over the past few years and just assumed he was a shoe-in first round pick, but looking around various sites, it seems that most analysts are thinking he's late first round at best, and more likely second or third.

Do they feel that he rushes too often? Do they only look for pure pocket passers in the draft? What specifically is evaluated when drafting a QB?

The main concern over Tebow is whether or not he can be a QB in a pro style offense. He runs the spread offense and often runs the ball. If you notice, a lot of NFL teams run the Wildcat offense. And with the Wildcat, there is an option to either run or throw the ball. The feeling is that Tebow can effectively run the wildcat in the NFL, but that he will be an H-Back type in the NFL. The determining factor will be how he does at the Senior Bowl. At the Senior Bowl, the two worst teams in the NFL coach the two teams (if the two worse teams are changing coaches though, the next two worse teams coach the Senior Bowl) and from all accounts, it will probably be St. Louis and Detroit. The Senior Bowl will determine where Tebow ends up and how high as well as what position.

NFL teams look for a QB who can throw in the pocket, has size usually and has that crazy strong arm. The Raiders chose Chubbo number one several years ago because he could throw the ball pretty damn far. That's also the reason Vick was chosen number one back in 2001, because he himself could throw the ball pretty far. Not all of them look for that, but some do.

Jimmy Clausen is projected to be a first round pick because he played in a pro style offense. Sam Bradford is also a projected first round pick, although his injuries may scare off some people. If they come out, Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett could be first round picks as well. Colt McCoy could be a late first/early second round pick.

 

[That-Guy]

Appreciated, thanks Norm.

Interesting stuff and it does make sense why so many successful college QBs aren't taken very high. It makes me wonder where a guy like Tebow could land then. Maybe St. Louis? That's a team that certainly needs a leader if it ever wants to be successful again. They do have a great RB... a decent QB who can rally the troops could be all they need to contend again, offensively anyway.

In regards to his form, do you think that he would struggle heavily in the NFL? Comparing him to Peyton Manning is a pretty tall order... even if he was a certified #1 overall, I doubt that he would look that good yet. But yeah, running a simple offense could possibly hurt his ability to succeed in the long run.

 

[Excel]

ST. Louis pick will be too high for Tebow; they will likely snag Jimmy Clause.

 

[StorminNorman]

The main concern over Tebow is whether or not he can be a QB in a pro style offense. He runs the spread offense and often runs the ball. If you notice, a lot of NFL teams run the Wildcat offense. And with the Wildcat, there is an option to either run or throw the ball. The feeling is that Tebow can effectively run the wildcat in the NFL, but that he will be an H-Back type in the NFL. The determining factor will be how he does at the Senior Bowl. At the Senior Bowl, the two worst teams in the NFL coach the two teams (if the two worse teams are changing coaches though, the next two worse teams coach the Senior Bowl) and from all accounts, it will probably be St. Louis and Detroit. The Senior Bowl will determine where Tebow ends up and how high as well as what position.

NFL teams look for a QB who can throw in the pocket, has size usually and has that crazy strong arm. The Raiders chose Chubbo number one several years ago because he could throw the ball pretty damn far. That's also the reason Vick was chosen number one back in 2001, because he himself could throw the ball pretty far. Not all of them look for that, but some do.

Jimmy Clausen is projected to be a first round pick because he played in a pro style offense. Sam Bradford is also a projected first round pick, although his injuries may scare off some people. If they come out, Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett could be first round picks as well. Colt McCoy could be a late first/early second round pick.

A lot of what you said is true, but I doubt Tebow plays any position other than QB in the NFL.

Also, the only QB that is a true projected first round pick is Clausen. The rest are up in the air. Bradford will likely be a second round pick, IMO.

 

[StorminNorman]

Appreciated, thanks Norm.

Interesting stuff and it does make sense why so many successful college QBs aren't taken very high. It makes me wonder where a guy like Tebow could land then. Maybe St. Louis? That's a team that certainly needs a leader if it ever wants to be successful again. They do have a great RB... a decent QB who can rally the troops could be all they need to contend again, offensively anyway.

In regards to his form, do you think that he would struggle heavily in the NFL? Comparing him to Peyton Manning is a pretty tall order... even if he was a certified #1 overall, I doubt that he would look that good yet. But yeah, running a simple offense could possibly hurt his ability to succeed in the long run.

If you are going to compare Tebow to anyone, I think it's Vince Young without the quitting last year. Tebow may have flashes of brilliance combined with a lot of frustration early on (if he plays early on). Tebow is not going to enter the NFL as an NFL ready QB (like Manning did, like Stafford did, like even Sanchez did) - Tebow is going to take some serious time to develop.

 

[Excel]

If Mallet comes out, he is top 15.