2014 NFL thread: The Final Battle

[Huddsy]

Rodgers said he inflates them more. Now whether he gets away with it, who knows. It actually does the exact opposite of making the ball easier to catch, which is what the Pats are being accused of here. Or maybe I am wrong. Rodgers also says be believes there should be a minimum number, which goes against what the Pats did.

He said he inflates more because it's better for him and gives him an advantage. That's all QBs want when they deflate -- to make it easier for them. Rodgers is just rare in that he likes it fuller.

The football is the equivalent of the puck, not the stick.

Clearly you're not thinking logically on that. They're using different flex (akin to different inflation) to get a better shot (better throw). It's an advantage.

If the puck was tampered with, it wouldn't be an advantage, because it gets touched by both teams simultaneously every 5 seconds basically, whereas a football being deflated only really affects the offense (mostly the QB).

It's an extremely similar situation.

 

[Urich Leeds]

They should suspend or outright fire Belichick at this point.

How many times does this have to happen?

 

[Huddsy]

What I think people may be missing here is that the Pats are basically being accused of messing with the footballs after the evaluation 2 hours before the game. Which I seriously doubt anyone else would do.

They do. Lol.

Read that article -- he said they do it constantly on the sidelines, and hide it.

Hell...

Matt Leinart ‏@MattLeinartQB 4h4 hours ago
Every team tampers with the footballs. Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!

 

[Hound55]

He said he inflates more because it's better for him and gives him an advantage. That's all QBs want when they deflate -- to make it easier for them. Rodgers is just rare in that he likes it fuller.

Actually, he said it doesn't. And personally, I agree. If anything it makes the ball more likely to pop up out of receivers hands and result in interceptions.

Overinflating a ball is not the same as underinflating it (let alone by as much as 2 lbs in a ball that's minimum is 12.5 - think about just how much that is...).

 

[Huddsy]

Actually, he said it doesn't. And personally, I agree. If anything it makes the ball more likely to pop up out of receivers hands and result in interceptions.

Overinflating a ball is not the same as underinflating it (let alone by as much as 2 lbs in a ball that's minimum is 12.5 - think about just how much that is...).

"The majority of the time, they take air out of the football. I think that, for me, is a disadvantage."

Rodgers said he likes the ball to be inflated because of his strong grip pressure and large hand size but doesn't believe that's the norm.

So... yeah, advantage.

And again, if everyone is doing it (which they are), it's not an advantage, it's just a comfort level for the guys playing with said ball. If everyone can adjust to what they are comfortable with, it eliminates any advantage.

This is blown so out of proportion it's incredible.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Actually, he said it doesn't. And personally, I agree. If anything it makes the ball more likely to pop up out of receivers hands and result in interceptions.

Overinflating a ball is not the same as underinflating it (let alone by as much as 2 lbs in a ball that's minimum is 12.5 - think about just how much that is...).

Exactly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"The majority of the time, they take air out of the football. I think that, for me, is a disadvantage."

Rodgers said he likes the ball to be inflated because of his strong grip pressure and large hand size but doesn't believe that's the norm.

So... yeah, advantage.

And again, if everyone is doing it (which they are), it's not an advantage, it's just a comfort level for the guys playing with said ball. If everyone can adjust to what they are comfortable with, it eliminates any advantage.

This is blown so out of proportion it's incredible.

Apparently we are talking up to two pounds. There is a difference between comfort and doing something that was so clearly obvious, that they are now investigating it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He said he inflates more because it's better for him and gives him an advantage. That's all QBs want when they deflate -- to make it easier for them. Rodgers is just rare in that he likes it fuller.



Clearly you're not thinking logically on that. They're using different flex (akin to different inflation) to get a better shot (better throw). It's an advantage.

If the puck was tampered with, it wouldn't be an advantage, because it gets touched by both teams simultaneously every 5 seconds basically, whereas a football being deflated only really affects the offense (mostly the QB).

It's an extremely similar situation.

Using this logic, is there any restrictions on hockey sticks? And if so, would not abiding by those rules result in trouble?

Like if you tampered with the ball or bat in baseball.

 

[Huddsy]

Apparently we are talking up to two pounds. There is a difference between comfort and doing something that was so clearly obvious, that they are now investigating it.

No there isn't.

Phil Kessel, in hockey, uses a CHILD'S stick. Basically the only one who does. When you watch him shoot, he basically leans on the stick, and uses the "whip" to shoot for him. No other player uses a stick close to what he uses. It's blatant. Nobody cries wolf.

But here, where EVERYONE is deflating balls like this. And don't say they don't, because an NFL QB has said they do, and he knows 10084382409834234X more than you do on the subject. Here, where everyone is doing something, people are crying foul because of who it is.

IF this was a bigger issue, and they did a check at halftime that caused a delay like they are saying happened, then it apparently wasn't that big of a deal to refs and so on involved. Just a slight issue.

Which is what it is. The rule should be removed.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

Like it or not Patriot fans. This is what your cheating ways have brought:

 

[ih8nyy]

NY Post always has great headlines. I tip my cap.

 

[Huddsy]

Using this logic, is there any restrictions on hockey sticks? And if so, would not abiding by those rules result in trouble?

Like if you tampered with the ball or bat in baseball.

There are restrictions on sticks. The size of curves, for example. If someone is caught doing it, they get a slight penalty (2 min in the box) and that's it. None of this "GET THEM OUT OF THE SUPER BOWL" crap people are throwing around.

And illegal curved sticks are very common, but it's very rarely challenged, because it's just part of the game.


This article just popped up: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...e-find-doctoring-nfl-footballs-is-nothing-new

A few quotes...

"The more quarterbacks I talk to, and the more you read past stories and interviews that reference, however casually, the various degrees of inflation or distress many quarterbacks prefer from their game balls, the more it appears to me as a somewhat accepted part of the subculture."

"It really does seem totally ridiculous that this story has been blown so far out of proportion," Esiason said. "If you look at the footballs that the quarterbacks are playing with and throwing for the last six or seven years, just realize that everybody is doing the same thing."

 

[Hound55]

"The majority of the time, they take air out of the football. I think that, for me, is a disadvantage."

Rodgers said he likes the ball to be inflated because of his strong grip pressure and large hand size but doesn't believe that's the norm.

So... yeah, advantage.

And again, if everyone is doing it (which they are), it's not an advantage, it's just a comfort level for the guys playing with said ball. If everyone can adjust to what they are comfortable with, it eliminates any advantage.

This is blown so out of proportion it's incredible.

He overinflates the ball knowing they'll remove pressure with a gauge to the upper limit of 13.5 pounds.

The fact that refs letting air out of the ball is a disadvantage doesn't mean playing with an overinflated ball is an advantage. It ups the risk in every possible way, making turnovers more prevalent from both fumbles and interceptions off deflections.

Technically, refs shouldn't be taking air out of his balls below that 13.5 range... but they do because they tend to prefer balls on that side of the range (probably because most balls they handle are).

2 pounds flat is just ridiculous though. If the league doesn't do something it'll take the game back to the dirty tricks game days of the 70s.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

As an aside, when the hell did we get such a big influx of noob Pats fans on this site?

It's like they crawled out of the woodwork and reactivated their accounts just to defend Ballghazi!

 

[Huddsy]

He overinflates the ball knowing they'll remove pressure with a gauge to the upper limit of 13.5 pounds.

The fact that refs letting air out of the ball is a disadvantage doesn't mean playing with an overinflated ball is an advantage. It ups the risk in every possible way, making turnovers more prevalent from both fumbles and interceptions off deflections.

Technically, refs shouldn't be taking air out of his balls below that 13.5 range... but they do because they tend to prefer balls on that side of the range (probably because most balls they handle are).

2 pounds flat is just ridiculous though. If the league doesn't do something it'll take the game back to the dirty tricks game days of the 70s.

No, he said he waits to see if they do take the air out. Sometimes they don't notice. Hell, noticing 1PSI or 2PSI by hand is very very unlikely.

And dirty tricks of the 70's? That's what you're calling comfort in throwing a ball? A dirty trick.

Time to go back to the good days when teams couldn't use numbers and technology for advantages in scouting and trades, or better equipment. Time to go back to wooden sticks for all players in the NHL. Time to freak out over a player wearing gold sneakers.

As an aside, when the hell did we get such a big influx of noob Pats fans on this site?

It's like they crawled out of the woodwork and reactivated their accounts just to defend Ballghazi!

I've been here posting about Marvel stuff, but thanks.

 

[Pink Ranger]

As an aside, when the hell did we get such a big influx of noob Pats fans on this site?

It's like they crawled out of the woodwork and reactivated their accounts just to defend Ballghazi!

They are kept in stasis within the cosmic birthing chamber by War Master Straxus until they are needed to defend the indefensible.

 

[Rowsdower!]

There's only one solution to all of this.

Balls were the true offenders here, so henceforth, all NFL games should be played without them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As an aside, when the hell did we get such a big influx of noob Pats fans on this site?

It's like they crawled out of the woodwork and reactivated their accounts just to defend Ballghazi!

They disappear when they aren't in the Super Bowl. Mr. Maooz is exempt from this of course.

They are kept in stasis within the cosmic birthing chamber by War Master Straxus until they are needed to defend the indefensible.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

They are kept in stasis within the cosmic birthing chamber by War Master Straxus until they are needed to defend the indefensible.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's only one solution to all of this.

Balls were the true offenders here, so henceforth, all NFL games should be played without them.

I'd prefer a Spanish Inquisition of the balls.

 

[Hound55]

No, he said he waits to see if they do take the air out. Sometimes they don't notice. Hell, noticing 1PSI or 2PSI by hand is very very unlikely.

And dirty tricks of the 70's? That's what you're calling comfort in throwing a ball? A dirty trick.

Time to go back to the good days when teams couldn't use numbers and technology for advantages in scouting and trades, or better equipment. Time to go back to wooden sticks for all players in the NHL. Time to freak out over a player wearing gold sneakers.



I've been here posting about Marvel stuff, but thanks.

Yes, but that becomes noticing 2 or 3 PSI when 95% of the league plays to the 12.5 line. Generally they notice, and again unless they're kicking the balls it's not an advantage.

I was referring to the Dirty Tricks games of the 70s. I remember reading about a game where the Raiders kept sending out doctored ball after doctored ball. Players deliberately squashing balls to take the air out... one ball came out with obscenities written on it.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Nah. The balls are clearly the cancer here... or perhaps, the cancer is within the balls. Either way, it's best to just amputate them.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

There's only one solution to all of this.

Balls were the true offenders here, so henceforth, all NFL games should be played without them.

I wonder if Goodell has had the balls in question destroyed yet? Nothing sweeps a controversy under the rug like destroying evidence (ala the tapes in Spygate).

 

[Grievous]

So I guess it's official that this Patriots season is tainted and if they do win the SB a lot of people will be teasing the fans saying they cheated to get it.

 

[Hound55]

Nah. The balls are clearly the cancer here... or perhaps, the cancer is within the balls. Either way, it's best to just amputate them.

They already tried that. That's why they all have stitches...