Sequels A Change Is Coming

[buggs0268]

Well, a comic selling well doesn't make it the best material for a movie. In fact the whole story of Superman's death was not very good but no one wanted to miss such an historical fact.

Btw, Superman died in SR.

The novelization of the Doomsday fight and Superman's rebirth, called "The Death and Life of Superman" was on the NY Times best sellers list for a long time. I think it was at the top for a month or two, which suprised everyone at the time that a Superman Novel would be even on it. It was what got Warner's really excited about doing a Superman movie, and it is how Peters got involved as he had optioned the rights to that book back in 1994.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Absolutely.....I mean anytime you make an attempt to tell a story based on continuity of a previous film those aspects must be addresed. This love child is a very important part of the story. I loved the 2 Donner films and I remember these scenes and to erase those from part of the continuity when many are under the impression that this film was based on 5 years between Superman2 and Superman returns seems odd. And this kid is 5 years old. Sounds like a plot hole.

I agree.... that's my whole point. There is a serious Plot Hole in this film. If Bryan Singer(BS) totally ignore the kiss at the Fortress of Solitude(FoS), than how was the baby concieved... when/where did they do it. If the kiss nevered happened, than should should remember that Clark was Superman. If the kiss did happen and she complete oblivious to what happen to that point, than how in the hell do she know Jason is Superman's child.... she shouldn't know who the daddy is. Otherwise, she has a selective memory. No one has been able to answer those question. I don't remember BS saying that. He just said that Superman III & IV didn't exist in the continuity.

So does that mean the second trip to the Fortress of Solitude didn't happen either with General Zod & Company?

And VD, I remember reading that link about Mr. Mxyzptlk, I just didn't know what to think about it at that time, but there maybe something to it now. I dunno. It's way to early to know and was a good write up and kinda make sense, by the thread starter. I still don't know how he will fit in with Lex, Brainiac, and Bizarro.

I don't think the thread starter was saying that all four would be in the sequel, but that base on whatever info he got, either one could be in it, if not a combination of them.

I would give mxy a positive attitude. He should be in a movie with Darkseid since they use dimensional gateways which attracts mxy. He's kind of a watcher, tests Superman, Darkseid turns Doomsday and kills Superman, then later revives him with magic. Bizarro should never be used, whether this being is less powerful or not, it would be a disappointing sad story.

That's just it, Mr. Mxyzptlk controls the 5th Dimension, he can do whatever he wants. Hell, for all we know, the events in Superman Returns could all have been a game to Mr. Mxyzptlk, sense Dan Harris supposenly said that "they have characters already in place... one not recognisible." Well we know Lex Luthoris one of the characters, so the other one could be Jason as the spirit of Mr. Mxyzptlk. That's one way to fit this movie, saying it was a game.... and Singer can totally ignore SR with SM III&IV and the Kiss at the FoS, from continuity.

 

[dpm07]

The novelization of the Doomsday fight and Superman's rebirth, called "The Death and Life of Superman" was on the NY Times best sellers list for a long time. I think it was at the top for a month or two, which suprised everyone at the time that a Superman Novel would be even on it. It was what got Warner's really excited about doing a Superman movie, and it is how Peters got involved as he had optioned the rights to that book back in 1994.

You are absolutely right.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The easiest way to look it is to just forget/ignore Superman 2, both versions. Look at SR as a sequel to Superman: The Movie with events occuring in between that we have never seen. Those events mainly being the romance between Superman and Lois and Lex visiting the FOS at one time. The romance between Superman and Lois is NOT what we saw in Superman 2. From Bryan Singer, "Well, I didn't really stick to that. Y'know, the mylar bed. And the cocktails in the Fortress of Solitude. I wouldn't want to bring that up. All I wanted to reference is they had had a previous, there was some sort of previous relations between them."

link: http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4972


This clearly states that Singer did not follow any of the romance from Superman 2 and he did not follow any amnesia kiss. In the time between S:TM and SR, Superman and Lois slept together and some time afterwards Superman leaves for Krypton. In SR, Lois knows she slept with Superman, she has not had her memory wiped, therefore she is not flipping out when Jason pwns Brutus. Singer and Co. used the term vague history, which was a mistake IMO, b/c some of the events in between S:TM and SR were
similar to Superman 2 but they weren't exactly(as I stated above).

Singer and Co. should have just made it clear and done a better job in indicating that SR is a sequel to S:TM with some time passing in between the two films. It would have made things a whole lot easier for everyone.

 

[Spiderine]

If the classic love scene at the fortress has been ignored, then are we to assume Supes showed up for a late night booty call after Superman 2 with Lois?And then went back to Smallville loaded the rocket capsule to go explore Krypton?Leaving Lois behind while she finds out she was pregnant.How does this make Supes look?Has this ever been explained?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

If the classic love scene at the fortress has been ignored, then are we to assume Supes showed up for a late night booty call after Superman 2 with Lois?And then went back to Smallville loaded the rocket capsule to go explore Krypton?Leaving Lois behind while she finds out she was pregnant.How does this make Supes look?Has this ever been explained?

I'm guessing you mean after Superman:The Movie b/c SR is basically ignoring S2. How does it make Superman look? Pretty lousy IMO. In this scenario, he sleeps with Lois without ever telling her he is Clark Kent. You'd figure if he trusted and loved her as much as he did and he was willing to have such an intimate act with someone, he would at least have the decency to tell her he is Clark as well. Makes him look sleazy, IMO. Then sometime afterwards, he leaves without saying goodbye. What a great guy!

 

[Spiderine]

I'm guessing you mean after Superman:The Movie b/c SR is basically ignoring S2. How does it make Superman look? Pretty lousy IMO. In this scenario, he sleeps with Lois without ever telling her he is Clark Kent. You'd figure if he trusted and loved her as much as he did and he was willing to have such an intimate act with someone, he would at least have the decency to tell her he is Clark as well. Makes him look sleazy, IMO. Then sometime afterwards, he leaves without saying goodbye. What a great guy!

Hmmm....interesting read....I have never read that before. Well I guess that clears a lot of the confusion up.Thanks for posting that. So now we have completely ignored Superman 3 and 4 but also Superman 2 events hardly exists. Wow...my head hurts. Now more than ever I wish this francise started from scratch. It would have been a lot easier because we have missed an important part of this love story and the depth of these characters have been virtually erased. And now exists a bastard child from all this. I have nothing more to say.

 

[Venom'sDad]

The easiest way to look it is to just forget/ignore Superman 2, both versions. Look at SR as a sequel to Superman: The Movie with events occuring in between that we have never seen. Those events mainly being the romance between Superman and Lois and Lex visiting the FOS at one time. The romance between Superman and Lois is NOT what we saw in Superman 2. From Bryan Singer, "Well, I didn't really stick to that. Y'know, the mylar bed. And the cocktails in the Fortress of Solitude. I wouldn't want to bring that up. All I wanted to reference is they had had a previous, there was some sort of previous relations between them."

link: http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4972


This clearly states that Singer did not follow any of the romance from Superman 2 and he did not follow any amnesia kiss. In the time between S:TM and SR, Superman and Lois slept together and some time afterwards Superman leaves for Krypton. In SR, Lois knows she slept with Superman, she has not had her memory wiped, therefore she is not flipping out when Jason pwns Brutus. Singer and Co. used the term vague history, which was a mistake IMO, b/c some of the events in between S:TM and SR were
similar to Superman 2 but they weren't exactly(as I stated above).

Singer and Co. should have just made it clear and done a better job in indicating that SR is a sequel to S:TM with some time passing in between the two films. It would have made things a whole lot easier for everyone.

That's a fairly good explanation, but that begs the question, why don't Lois know that Clark is Superman if she romantically involve with him and had his child. That means that Superman is playing charades(lying to her) with her and only hitting it when he is in costume? Plus, Lois is a woman, and women know the intricacies of someone they are romantically involve with.... you know like feel, sound, smell, voice, look, eyes, physique, etc..... how can she not know it's Clark?

 

[Spiderine]

That's a fairly good explanation, but that begs the question, why don't Lois know that Clark is Superman if she romantically involve with him and had his child. That means that Superman is playing charades(lying to her) with her and only hitting it when he is in costume? Plus, Lois is a woman, and women know the intricacies of someone they are romantically involve with.... you know like feel, sound, smell, voice, look, eyes, physique, etc..... how can she not know it's Clark?

Singer has left the main aspects of this relationship to our imaginations. We can only wonder how all this played out because they have practically ignored their romance in 2. The story is empty now and you can t feel for the characters involved. And what does this say about Supes?One night stand, didnt open up to the woman he loved, and left without explanation.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

That's a fairly good explanation, but that begs the question, why don't Lois know that Clark is Superman if she romantically involve with him and had his child. That means that Superman is playing charades(lying to her) with her and only hitting it when he is in costume? Plus, Lois is a woman, and women know the intricacies of someone they are romantically involve with.... you know like feel, sound, smell, voice, look, eyes, physique, etc..... how can she not know it's Clark?

Yea, it's crazy but we just have to buy into the idea that Lois probably doesn't even entertain the thought that Superman and Clark are the same person, even after sleeping with him. In fact, the first time she probably considers is it when she is at the Daily Planet with Richard and she is describing his height and weight and then they both look at Clark.

 

[Spiderine]

Yea, it's crazy but we just have to buy into the idea that Lois probably doesn't even entertain the thought that Superman and Clark are the same person, even after sleeping with him. In fact, the first time she probably considers is it when she is at the Daily Planet with Richard and she is describing his height and weight and then they both look at Clark.

Yeah....And then they both look at each other and say"Naaa, it couldn't be". How gullible.

 

[El Payaso]

Just imagine him without the glasses. You don't have to sleep with him to realize.

 

[redcaped]

This is reverse psychology. Is easy for us as single witnesses to analyze the movie, not as part of that world (effect of mirrors facing one another). They would never imagine Superman as a different person.

 

[Rated-X]

You are not suppose to smoke the whole thing. Puff, Puff, Pass.

 

[VenomsMom]

Wouldnt it be a huge twist if little Jason turned out to be the son of Zod. Singer could have had at some point Zod sleeping with Lois and keeping it from Supes. I think Zod could still be alive somewhere especially if Singer brings him back. Zod could have done it to spite Superman.That would make for a great battle scene when that little secret comes out.

 

[redcaped]

Zod's ambitions are for domination rather than personal issues.

 

[VenomsMom]

Zod's ambitions are for domination rather than personal issues.

Yes but after being embarassed and defeated by the hands of Superman,he was completely humiliated, this would add more hatred between the two. Besides why cant he have both,revenge and domination.

 

[VenomsMom]

Zod's ambitions are for domination rather than personal issues.

It was personal issues that made him make the son of Jor-el kneel before Zod.

 

[redcaped]

No, he arrived on Earth with his mind blank. It was a surprise for him to find Superman. His only goal is plainly for domination, just don't get in his way.

 

[mego joe]

Hmmm....interesting read....I have never read that before. Well I guess that clears a lot of the confusion up.Thanks for posting that. So now we have completely ignored Superman 3 and 4 but also Superman 2 events hardly exists. Wow...my head hurts. Now more than ever I wish this francise started from scratch. It would have been a lot easier because we have missed an important part of this love story and the depth of these characters have been virtually erased. And now exists a bastard child from all this. I have nothing more to say.

Finding this out now, what was your impression of SR originally?

Have you changed your mind?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Wouldnt it be a huge twist if little Jason turned out to be the son of Zod. Singer could have had at some point Zod sleeping with Lois and keeping it from Supes. I think Zod could still be alive somewhere especially if Singer brings him back. Zod could have done it to spite Superman.That would make for a great battle scene when that little secret comes out.

No.

 

[redcaped]

You don't look like Superman. Will you still be a fan?

 

[Spiderine]

Wouldnt it be a huge twist if little Jason turned out to be the son of Zod. Singer could have had at some point Zod sleeping with Lois and keeping it from Supes. I think Zod could still be alive somewhere especially if Singer brings him back. Zod could have done it to spite Superman.That would make for a great battle scene when that little secret comes out.

Hell no.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Bizarro the more likely, because of Superman leaving precious DNA material(blood) on the Kryptonite Island(Bizarro World) cast in space.

After reading another thread talking about possibly setting up Superboy, with Superman's DNA, I beginning to think there may be some merit to the thread starter's article. It just seem like something that Singer would do, and it do look like that's exactly what Singer is apparently setting up, Bizarro. I don't know..... maybe.

 

[Spiderine]

After reading another thread talking about possibly setting up Superboy, with Superman's DNA, I beginning to think there may be some merit to the thread starter's article. It just seem like something that Singer would do, and it do look like that's exactly what Singer is apparently setting up, Bizarro. I don't know..... maybe.

You see Bizarro being a pawn of Lex.