A few changes and it could've been better.

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  1. Sauron

    Sauron Registered

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    It's not that I hate the Hulk movie it's just that after waiting so long to see the Hulk come to life the right way, it was just dissapointing. Yes, it is way better than say DareDevil, but, it shouldn't have been taken so seriously and done so dramatically. In some elements fine, but they over did it.

    What would've been better is... At least name the lab assistant "Rick", we'd know who it was or just let it be known that's Rick Jones. I would've been fine with that, if they made him a lab assistant.

    Also, just have the dad as more of a back story and not the Absorbing Man, even though Nick Nolte was the best thing about the movie, I'm not saying cut him out just use him differently.

    Maybe at the end have Bruce find his father and say something like , "Dad we have to talk and then you see his eyes turn green. Then, the cameras would pan up.

    And, if the Absorbing Man is the villian have it be the actual character. I was thinking Vin Diesal {spelling?) as him. That would've been okay.

    I'd also cut out the dream sequence with Betty as a little girl, and seeing Bruce as a teen, those scenes weren't needed.

    And, make the Hulk just look better as far as his face goes, let him talk a bit more, and let him use the thunder clap.

    The movie could've been alot better.
     
  2. Morg

    Morg Super Moderator

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    Vin Diesal is a lousy actor and still wasn't crazy seeing the Hulk get 20+ feet tall
     
  3. rodhulk

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    I agree with you on most points, Sauron. The lab assistant should have been Rick (and even Rick Jones). Everybody knows Rick Jones if they know of the Hulk, well, I'm sure most people do. I know Rick Jones is some character called Captain Marvel (I think?) but I am not following his character because he is supposed to be Rick Jones in the Hulk universe. They could have still used Rick Jones. I hate that change. As for Nolte being the Absorbing Man (and even a tribute to Zzzax when he grew tall with all that elictrical energy he was absorbing from the wires), he should not have been any of those characters. He should have just had a 'dad' role or at the most, some other type of creature, but not the characters he was portrayed as. But I did like Nolte in the film and hope he has a role in the sequel. Didn't mind the dream sequence but there should have been more Hulk smash in the movie (sorry, but the Hulk movie is about the big green Hulk, not all the story telling, hence the name 'The Hulk'). And the thunderclap should have been used but I am sure they are saving that for the sequel. And the growth of the Hulk was good. It made people know, without any doubt, that the Hulk was getting madder and stronger when he was growing bigger. This growth thing was a special characteristic with the movie incarnation of the Hulk. So the movie Hulk is a different incarnation of the Hulk. But I do equally like a 7,8, 9 foot Hulk as well so the height doesn't really matter, I just liked the height growth because it was clear on what was happening to the Hulk when he was growing. And I guess that's it. Oh, by the way, despite some of the negative stuff I said here, the Hulk movie is my favorite movie by far. When the Hulk was on screen, there was nothing like it. And I must also say the Hulk (and his head) looked real. The CGI was the greatest for me in any movie and he looked like he really existed in the movie.
     
  4. HulkofSteel

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    David Banner did not become the Absorbing Man. Stan Lee called him something else. His abilities may have matched those of Absorbing Man, but that was not who he was. David became that 'monster' because the origin of the Hulk was different. Working with biogenetics changed a lot of the story, making David more of a part of the movie and finally Bruce's main enemy.

    I was confused by the ending at first, but it makes sense to me now. It was an excellent protrayal of who the Hulk is, a beast that has immeasurable strength and power. It cannot be destroyed, and no one can handle it except Bruce.

    :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:
     
  5. rodhulk

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    And even Bruce can't really handle it. That is why he (at least in the comics and I believe the movie franchise will go that way) is always trying to get rid of the Hulk, even to the point of killing himself. And we all know that Banner's dad isn't the Absorbing man, we really mean a tribute to the absorbing man. That is why in my above post when I mentioned Zzzax, I say tribute. But most fans, it seems, would rather actually have the actual Absorbing Man with those powers rather than his dad and we didn't like that That is why also in my above post, I mentioned that his dad should have turned into something else that does not really resemble other enemies of the Hulk.
     
  6. HulkofSteel

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    True, true. I was puzzled as to why David got those powers in the first place. Why didn't he end up like Bruce?

    :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:
     
  7. Sava

    Sava Dont cry, my dear

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    the dream scene with Betty, shows 2 things

    1) Ross was a s*it father
    2) Banner and Betty lived in the same place when they were young

    Rick jones name is under Cap America, so you cant use his name.
     
  8. Obi-Ron

    Obi-Ron Deal with it

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    I think it's psychological. Much as Bruce became his repressed, angry child self, his father became consumed with guilt over killing his wife, and it affected his powers. The key to this theory is David's line during the confession about how the knife "merged" with the body of his wife when he killed her.

    I'm still trying to figure out how we can get the Abomination involved using this theory.
     
  9. HulkofSteel

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    Good point about the use of that line. Didn't think of that.

    When you do think of a way to get the Abomination with that theory, I'm sure the producers would love to hear it!!! LOL

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  10. Obi-Ron

    Obi-Ron Deal with it

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    Hollywood, here I come!
     
  11. HulkofSteel

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    LOL! Should be interesting! Make sure you use your screen name in the credits!

    :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:
     
  12. rodhulk

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    Hey HulkofSteel. You seem like a real Hulk fan. Go over to the Hulk sequels section and check out our Unofficial Hulk sequel. If you want, feel free to join us. There is always room for Hulk fans. You could write part of our sequel. Hope you join us. :) :hulk:
     
  13. HulkofSteel

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    I love the Hulk, that's for sure. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the invite!!

    :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:
     
  14. rodhulk

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    Great, Go over to the Hulk sequel section, read what we are doing, and let us know what you think and if you are interested. There will be a couple of other Hulk fans probably joining us soon. So, hope you come on board and just let us (me) know. :hulk: rules!
     
  15. Sauron

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    The Hulk should be done this way...

    If you're going to start out with Bruce's past and his father, show his dad as he is in the comics, an abusive nut and show him kill Bruce's mom.

    Flash forward to Bruce in his lab working on the Gamma experiment, if they want to do an update and have it be with nanomads fine, but as I said at least have the lab assistant named Rick and, when it blows let it be a big bang of an explosion and a great classic scene like in the comic.

    The first Hulk out should be during a fight, something happening to Bruce dramatically, not in the wimpy way they did it where he was just getting mad thinking about things, and don't have it so dark, and really show him HULK OUT, not stumbling around in the dark and you can barely see it. That part really bugged me, it should've been very big and dramatic, that's what I was looking forward to when I was waiting to see this movie, the first change. It was such a letdown.
     
  16. War Lord

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    The only real problem I had with the movie was that much of the acting seemed uninspired. The only two people I thought were great were Sam Elliot and Josh Lucas.

    Everybody else seemed to do little more than read their lines word for word.
     
  17. white dragon

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    i didnt think they were uninspired--bruce was emotionally distant unless hes pissed- and connelly was confused as to how to deal with bruce and a big giant monster...i mean not many real reactions to something like that-and nick nolte's character couldnt have been better--no changes just move on to the sequel already
     
  18. Hugebear

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    It was because Bruce was born with the genetic changes that were passed to him by his father and David only injected himself with the genetic experiments which weren't as stable.
     
  19. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    I really, really, like the first movie, yes there were faults, but they were few IMO. I think they need to keep a lot of it for the sequel, but i dont think Nolte will return. Maybe they need to focus a bit more on Bruce/Hulk's relationship with Betty, and how she cares for both of them.
     
  20. Sava

    Sava Dont cry, my dear

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    Betty will only be there if Jennifer wants to comeback, i think the actor would have signed the contracts with Universal, and not Marvel, so it wont be that easy to get her back.
     
  21. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    I hope she comes back though, it would be a blow if she never. mind you we may not even get Bana back!!!!
     
  22. Sava

    Sava Dont cry, my dear

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    yeah, but they could easily get a new love interest
     
  23. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    I suppose, i've asked Zak Penn if there is any news on returning cast so i will wait for his reply.
     
  24. Sava

    Sava Dont cry, my dear

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    yeah, Bruno for HM.com asked him a good question too, he hasnt answered yet
     
  25. AVEITWITHJAMON

    AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    He normally takes 4 or 5 days to reply. He referred to my comments about him not liking 2 hr movies on the X-verse, i dont think he's is pleased with them. He does come on the hype boards i know that or he wouldnt have seen my comments.
     

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