The Avengers A lot more comedy than I was expecting!

[El Payaso]

Payaso, you really need an editor or something. You take waaay too long to make pretty simple points. Right or wrong, we dont need a Freshman thesis. Try and work on that.

Since you're the reader it's your problem and you're the one having or not to work on anything.

on topic: I enjoyed the comedic moments in this movie, but if you're not familiar with Whedon's oevre I can see it being a bit off putting.

Being familiar with Whedon is not really an issue since every superhero movie, specially Marvel's, does use the very same kind of humour.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I liked the comedic elements. The only one that I didn't totally like was Widow's comment, "I . . . I don't see how that's a party."

It's a funny line, but it didn't really fit with her personality, and it seemed kind of shoe-horned in there to give ScarJo a highlight line set up for possible use in a trailer. It's like Joss wanted to give Wash or Willow just one last piece of dialogue, so he had them speak through Natasha.

 

[yads]

I like the ScarJo "party" line. It's like she doesn't really get Tony's sense of humor. Irony generally not something in her makeup... so it's a character beat.

The only humor I would have cut (and will when I get the DVD) is the galaga stuff, Tony's line about being out when he first touches down at Stark Tower, and Bruce's line when the helicarrier is lifting up.

 

[JAK®]

If you read the original Stan Lee comics Marvel characters have always had an association with humour. Not just wise-cracking either, but things like irony and even slapstick to an extent are present in the original comics.

The Avengers was serious when it needed to be and that was perfectly fine.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

The humor (and pretty much everything else) in TA is completely Whedonesque. If you're not familiar with his work, then you simply wont notice this. Please consult any Whedon fan for insight on this. This isnt an opinion btw.

And look up the word "dense" for even more insight.

Pink Ranger (and many others on here) gets what I'm saying.

 

[terry78]

Everybody in the movie was a smartass to some extent, even the more naive characters.

 

[T-CLIPSE]

On the contrary.
The average superhero movie always includes humour. That has been the case since 1978 (and before if you consider the Batman TV series)..

Did any of those "average superhero movies" make over a billion dollars and break box office records left and right?

Even Nolan's Batman Begins followed the very same formula.

No, Batman begins was nowhere near the same tone as Avengers.

TDK didn't define the superhero spectrum and I don't really remember any wave of dark and gritty superhero movies after TDK..

No not a wave of dark and gritty after TDK, but don't be mistaken that's what they are thinking. Even the president of Warners was quoted as saying that Green Lantern failed because it needs to be "darker and edgier".

So Marvel has proven nothing really, just that sticking to the same formula will bring you the same results.

No, they proved way more than that, and just exactly which movie and which formula are you referring to that yeilded the "same results" as The Avengers?

Which didn't need to be proven to start with. Avengers showed the same end of the spectrum we have always been shown.

And once again which superhero movie are you referring to that showed the same end of the spectrum as Avengers that had that kind of financial reward for the studio?

If anything, TDK proved that you don't have to comedy-fy a superhero movie to make it good.

No I'm not talking about "good" because good is a matter of opinion, I'm talking about a superhero movie that got critical praise PLUS enormous box office bank, and to my knowledge that only includes two movies....and those two movies are on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of tone.

 

[Hulk1968]

Nick Fury did bet Steve that if he accepted the job things would get even weirder t: That was hilarious

I agree 100%

Weird is part of the job.

 

[The Guard]

Widow's "party" line has some subtext. Its more about how she doesn't understand why Stark is using flippant statements about a threat that large...clearly none of them have a clue how to stop it. She's essentially saying "I don't see how this is something to take lightly...how are we going to defeat that thing?"

 

[danoyse]

I like the ScarJo "party" line. It's like she doesn't really get Tony's sense of humor. Irony generally not something in her makeup... so it's a character beat.

The only humor I would have cut (and will when I get the DVD) is the galaga stuff, Tony's line about being out when he first touches down at Stark Tower, and Bruce's line when the helicarrier is lifting up.

I loved the Galaga stuff. I'm now saying it all the time when I find someone at their computer.

 

[yads]

I thought the Galaga stuff was tonally off. It felt straight out of a sitcom.

 

[Xeno]

The Galaga joke was hilarious and fit the situation perfectly, IMO.

 

[yads]

It's true that most people seemed to like it, so Joss was right to leave it in. But it still feels out of place to me.

 

[El Payaso]

The Avengers was serious when it needed to be and that was perfectly fine.

Not always. Thor defending Loki because he's his brother after all doesn't sound a perfect moment for a joke where he admits he's not that much of a brother anyways.

The humor (and pretty much everything else) in TA is completely Whedonesque. If you're not familiar with his work, then you simply wont notice this. Please consult any Whedon fan for insight on this. This isnt an opinion btw.

Previous Marvel movies having the same kind of humour is not an opinion either. What would this 'Whedonesque humour' exactly be, btw? What's the difference between humour in TA and humour in many other superhero movies?

And look up the word "dense" for even more insight.

Hm? Am I going to find "Whedonesque humour" there?

Did any of those "average superhero movies" make over a billion dollars and break box office records left and right?

Why? The BO numbers are part of a movie style now?

No, Batman begins was nowhere near the same tone as Avengers.

I was - stratch that, we were - clearly talking about the humour, not the overall tone.

No not a wave of dark and gritty after TDK, but don't be mistaken that's what they are thinking. Even the president of Warners was quoted as saying that Green Lantern failed because it needs to be "darker and edgier".

They can oprt cannot think a million things.

Fact is there has not been a wave of dark and gritty superhero movies to what Avengers has 'finally opposed to.'

No, they proved way more than that, and just exactly which movie and which formula are you referring to that yeilded the "same results" as The Avengers?

Every Marvel movie before it. More or less money in the box, the have followed the same formula. The only real diffrrenece here is that we have many superheroes instead of once per movie. If you tell me that Marvel proved that putting many of them in one movies works, then ok.

And once again which superhero movie are you referring to that showed the same end of the spectrum as Avengers that had that kind of financial reward for the studio?

I have never mentioned the financial reward. 'Results' doesn't mean money always.

That said, every previous Marvel movie (and then some others) have had the same kind of humour, colorful suits and a light-hearted tone to them.

No I'm not talking about "good" because good is a matter of opinion, I'm talking about a superhero movie that got critical praise PLUS enormous box office bank, and to my knowledge that only includes two movies....and those two movies are on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of tone.

Absolutely.

But that's far from saying that Avengers proved anything in that regard. I have to ask you then, what movies are part of this "wave of dark and gritty superhero movies" you claim we have had?

I thought the Galaga stuff was tonally off. It felt straight out of a sitcom.

At least it didn't contradict Tony Stark's personality.

The Galaga joke was hilarious and fit the situation perfectly, IMO.

What situation exactly does it fit?

 

[T-CLIPSE]

But that's far from saying that Avengers proved anything in that regard. I have to ask you then, what movies are part of this "wave of dark and gritty superhero movies" you claim we have had?.

I'm not saying a "wave of dark and gritty" has already happened, what I'm saying is that the lighthearted/comedy/action adventure story that The Avengers was showed that you can have the genre enjoy massive success both ways. TDK proved that it doesn't have to all "family friendly" superheroes, Avengers proved it doesn't have to be all "dark and gritty" hence as I said before it's good for the genre to have two sides of the superhero movie spectrum represented. Both of those movies were critically accepted plus both are record breaking box office juggernauts as well.

What I mean to say is that TDK (dark and gritty) in the eyes of many became this thing that was recognized and accepted as the "new standard" "the gauge that other superhero movies are judged by" and people started talking about that movie as though it's now "the blueprint" on how to do comic book movies. The Avengers (to me) showed that the exact opposite could enjoy massive success as well and that so called "blueprint" doesn't carry as much weight as it did.

 

[danoyse]

Just a warning that any TDK vs. Avengers bickering will cease as soon as anyone tries to start it.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Not always. Thor defending Loki because he's his brother after all doesn't sound a perfect moment for a joke where he admits he's not that much of a brother anyways.

And here starts round 150 of me vs. El Payaso. We need a talk show together, man.

I still say you're looking way into it too much. It's Thor knowing that it's hard to defend all of his brother's previous actions (from both Thor and The Avengers) and him trying to lessen the tension by a joke. His actions still says he cares for him, but he knows not gonna persuade any of the others to believe him at that time.

 

[El Payaso]

Just a warning that any TDK vs. Avengers bickering will cease as soon as anyone tries to start it.

Then it ended.

And here starts round 150 of me vs. El Payaso. We need a talk show together, man.

I still say you're looking way into it too much. It's Thor knowing that it's hard to defend all of his brother's previous actions (from both Thor and The Avengers) and him trying to lessen the tension by a joke. His actions still says he cares for him, but he knows not gonna persuade any of the others to believe him at that time.

You're also looking way too much into it too. It's not Thor knowing he cannot persuade someone: it was just a joke so people could laugh.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Dammit, he got me in his trap.

You win this time EP.

 

[The Guard]

It's just THOR trying to lighten the moment and get away from the topic. He's uncomfortable with it, so he uses humor to diffuse it.

Is that the first joke Thor makes throughout THOR and THE AVENGERS? I can't think of any from THOR.

 

[El Payaso]

It's just THOR trying to lighten the moment and get away from the topic. He's uncomfortable with it, so he uses humor to diffuse it.

I didn't know Thor was the type who avoids uncomfortable moemnts. He went and fought frost giants, he did everything to recover his hammer. I didn't see him joking before Odin about going to fight the giants or joking about his exile on earth, and I'm sure that was awkwards too.

What Thor did do when talking about/dealing with Loki was what the character should do: defend him in spite of everything, trying to get his brother back to the 'good side.'

He told him "you're still my brother." Suddenly, before people he doesn't care much about he tries to joke the subject away? Can't buy that.

Is that the first joke Thor makes throughout THOR and THE AVENGERS? I can't think of any from THOR.

There's a lot of 'fish out of the water' humorous situations in Thor. Involuntary humour. But Thor is not the character to spew one-liners.

Dammit, he got me in his trap.

You win this time EP.

LOOOOL.

 

[ZeroDegrees]

It's just THOR trying to lighten the moment and get away from the topic. He's uncomfortable with it, so he uses humor to diffuse it.

That and I'd say he was trying to distance himself from his brother who killed "80 people in 2 days".

And I don't get the stupid controversy. He's not saying Loki killed people because he was adopted, he was trying to lighten the mood and distance himself from Loki!

 

[Quasimod0]

Way too much over-analyzing going on here.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I saw it coming a mile away. Huge waste of time.

 

[El Payaso]

That and I'd say he was trying to distance himself from his brother who killed "80 people in 2 days".

And I don't get the stupid controversy. He's not saying Loki killed people because he was adopted, he was trying to lighten the mood and distance himself from Loki!

The controversy is absolutely out of proportion.

And I agree, Thor was distancing himself from his brother. But it was right after he was doing the exact opposite. The 80 killings madfe him suddenly lose his bravery.