Comics A question about Spidey

[Jack O Lantern]

So on another board I got into a debate with a guy over who would win, Batman or Spider-Man. (yeah I know pointless) But he claimed that Spidey's main weakness is gas that any simple gas can easily take him down. Is this true?

 

[littleredhat]

Uhhhhhhh. No. What kind of gas? It would have to be poison gas wouldn't it? Cause oxygen doesn't seem to hurt him. If faced with posion gas Spidey would just do the same thing batman would. Get away from the gas or put on a gas mask.

Or do you mean gasoline? Cause one spark and batman would go up in flames just as easily as spidey if doused in an accelerant. Unless they were wearing somthing non flamable.

I would say that Spider-man's main weaknesses is his low self-esteem and trusting nature.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Spider-man loses to everyone.

It doesn't matter.

This isn't the good ol days when Spidey would actually use his powers and be a threat to anyone cause of it.

Spider-man just got beat down by DD in the

Spoiler

USM annual

, got pummeled around like nothing by Captain America in Cival War and this is nothing compared to what Iron Man is going to do to him soon.

Spider-man is a loser.

Batman wouldn't waste his time on this version of Spider-man. The fight would be over quickly.

 

[farmernudie]

Remember when Spidey had heart, and when he beat Firelord (Herald of Galactus) and Juggernaut and the likes, if he put his mind to it......??

Obviously Spidey these days would lose to Batman.

...only because he can't even overcome Joey Q or JMS <Wonder Twin powers...activate.........form of....shock and awe, and shoddy writing.

 

[DACrowe]

Old Spidey it would be a helluva fight. to quote the overzealous Batman fans "Well if he has prep time" and I love Batman but it has gotten to the point where there is no suspense because Batman knows EVERYTHING that is going to happen and has already won when he shows up. No explanation even needed anymore, he's just Batman.

On the other hand Marvel has turned Spidey into the semi-respected but untrustworthy loner who could go toe-to-toe with the Hulk to the Jerry Lewis of the Marvel Universe (even with his stupid new powers and him supposedly being faster).

I have a great issue where Spidey says he studies all his comrades in case he'd ever have to take them down and even has a back-up plan for killing the Hulk if it ever came to that. I think if he got in a fair random fight with Spidey it goes down to that he is faster and has a spider sense and only needs to land one hit.

But to quote any Bat-fan "I'm Batman" would win the day though.

 

[ragingdemon155]

With the "real" Spider-man...

The one that survived fights with Venom, Carnage, took down firelord, survived battles with the Hulk, outsmarted and stopped the Juggernaut.....That Spider-man would have beaten Batman like nothing.

This Spider-man however....

The "loser"

Would get owned badly.

 

[Donald Thomas]

With the "real" Spider-man...

The one that survived fights with Venom, Carnage, took down firelord, survived battles with the Hulk, outsmarted and stopped the Juggernaut.....That Spider-man would have beaten Batman like nothing.

This Spider-man however....

The "loser"

Would get owned badly.

Aloha,,
Hate to admit it, but due to the very skewed presentation of the powers of Spider-Man today, very few of the villians he beat in the old days would he have a chance in hell with today. Sad
Spidey still rules

 

[CConn]

Technically yes, if Batman could trap Spidey in some room that could be filled with some kind of gas, Spider-Man would be rendered unconscious/dead/whatever just like any normal human or spider. But I highly doubt Spider-Man would even step foot in the room with his Spider-Sense.

In any case, as I say with battles involving all major characters, it all just comes down to out-of-universe reasons for who would win. All the times Batman has beaten Superman? It's not because he's more powerful, it's because the writer and/or fans thought it would be cool - nothing more complex than that. And the same thing would happen in whatever book Batman and Spider-Man would've fought in.

 

[freemadison]

I have a great issue where Spidey says he studies all his comrades in case he'd ever have to take them down and even has a back-up plan for killing the Hulk if it ever came to that.

What issue is that again? I KNOW I have that issue.

Damn JQ and JMS. I hate how they think "Boy, everyone loves Spidey cause he's a loooooooser. Let's make him lose to everyone! That makes him relatable". Not only is it not fun to have him constantly lose when we know how good he is but it's also insulting for them to think that we need Spidey to be a loser so that we can RELATE.

 

[DACrowe]

That issue is from a JMS issue actually (when his stories were good with JRjr) I believe it is the end of the Digger run after Spidey used his brains AND fighting skills to defeat a villain as strong as the Hulk and faster and smarter than the Hulk too. He in it gets to put up a sign with MJ in memory of Gwen Stacy with the mob money he earned and is talking to MJ about this.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Aloha,,
Hate to admit it, but due to the very skewed presentation of the powers of Spider-Man today, very few of the villians he beat in the old days would he have a chance in hell with today. Sad
Spidey still rules

Agreed.

 

[VuMania]

Spider-man loses to everyone.

It doesn't matter.

This isn't the good ol days when Spidey would actually use his powers and be a threat to anyone cause of it.

Spider-man just got beat down by DD in the

Spoiler

USM annual

, got pummeled around like nothing by Captain America in Cival War and this is nothing compared to what Iron Man is going to do to him soon.

Spider-man is a loser.

Batman wouldn't waste his time on this version of Spider-man. The fight would be over quickly.

[FONT=&quot]Yep, you pretty much nailed it. It seems that Marvel has to recipes for Spider-Man:
1) Goes one-on-one with fellow hero - Spider-Man gets outclassed or gets his butt handed to him.

2) Goes against villain - gets beaten nearly to death.

I can't even recall the last time we saw Spider-Man using all of his faculties (mental and physical) to beat an opponent. Let's go through recent battles:
1) Cap is able to land 3 blows in 10 seconds against Spidey (shouldn't it be the other way around?)
2) He goes up against this Morlun character and decides to go toe-to-toe with a being he clearly cannot physically hurt. Never opting to retreat, regroup and use his brain to take down Morlun.
3) In a "training exercise" with the New Avengers, Spider-Man is the only character that is seriously hurt because Wolverine wants to put him in his place.
4) In the historic New Avengers debut issue, when villains attempt to break out of a maximum security prison, a team that is comprised of Spidey, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Matt Murdock (in civilian clothes), Sentry and Captain America unite to take the villains down. Spidey is the only hero that suffers an injury when Jigsaw (a villain who the Punisher has handled many times) breaks his arm.

5) In the Warrior's Storyline, Ultimate Electra knocks out Ultimate Spidey with a five hit combo that sends Spider-man sailing out the window of a multi-story window a landing on a squad car....on his head.

6) The time when a cybernetic version of the Russian (one of Punisher's rogue villains) EASILY knocks out Spider-Man. Then (I swear I'm not making this up), the Punisher uses Spider-man unconscious body as a shield while the Russian continues to pound away, until the Punisher is able to figure out how the webshooters work, webs up the Russian mouth, and pushes him off a skyscraper.

There are no other heroes out there with enhanced speed, agility and a precognitive Spider-Sense linked to their reflexes. Yet Spider-Man has endured more beatings than any other hero in recent times. Marvel, it is OK to let this guy when a few fights. We’ll still buy his comic[/FONT]

 

[ragingdemon155]

[FONT=&quot]Yep, you pretty much nailed it. It seems that Marvel has to recipes for Spider-Man:
1) Goes one-on-one with fellow hero - Spider-Man gets outclassed or gets his butt handed to him.

2) Goes against villain - gets beaten nearly to death.

I can't even recall the last time we saw Spider-Man using all of his faculties (mental and physical) to beat an opponent. Let's go through recent battles:
1) Cap is able to land 3 blows in 10 seconds against Spidey (shouldn't it be the other way around?)
2) He goes up against this Morlun character and decides to go toe-to-toe with a being he clearly cannot physically hurt. Never opting to retreat, regroup and use his brain to take down Morlun.
3) In a "training exercise" with the New Avengers, Spider-Man is the only character that is seriously hurt because Wolverine wants to put him in his place.
4) In the historic New Avengers debut issue, when villains attempt to break out of a maximum security prison, a team that is comprised of Spidey, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Matt Murdock (in civilian clothes), Sentry and Captain America unite to take the villains down. Spidey is the only hero that suffers an injury when Jigsaw (a villain who the Punisher has handled many times) breaks his arm.

5) In the Warrior's Storyline, Ultimate Electra knocks out Ultimate Spidey with a five hit combo that sends Spider-man sailing out the window of a multi-story window a landing on a squad car....on his head.

6) The time when a cybernetic version of the Russian (one of Punisher's rogue villains) EASILY knocks out Spider-Man. Then (I swear I'm not making this up), the Punisher uses Spider-man unconscious body as a shield while the Russian continues to pound away, until the Punisher is able to figure out how the webshooters work, webs up the Russian mouth, and pushes him off a skyscraper.

There are no other heroes out there with enhanced speed, agility and a precognitive Spider-Sense linked to their reflexes. Yet Spider-Man has endured more beatings than any other hero in recent times. Marvel, it is OK to let this guy when a few fights. We’ll still buy his comic[/FONT]

Why did you have to do it??? WHY WHY WHY!?!?!

I had forgotten about Spider-man getting stabbed like nothing by Wolverine...

Now I remember....

 

[ragingdemon155]

Believe me, Anyone who has not picked up the "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut" storyline needs to!

That is the perfect depiction of Spider-man. Showing his powers, his heart and his brain to stop Juggernaut.

Still his best fight EVER hands down.

 

[DACrowe]

Luckily, I avoided New Avnegers comics like the plague, but I have to ask...how did Wolverine ever STAB Spidey in a training session when Spider-Man should have sensed it coming a mile away?

 

[Donald Thomas]

Believe me, Anyone who has not picked up the "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut" storyline needs to!

That is the perfect depiction of Spider-man. Showing his powers, his heart and his brain to stop Juggernaut.

Still his best fight EVER hands down.

Aloha,
You can check it out in the library.
Spidey rules

 

[SpideyForPrez]

Wow, what a perfectly geeky debate, but i agree. The current Spidey would lose to Bat-Man and the old one would win. Still... I would rather read Spidey over Bats because like stated earlier Bat-Man is just too good, when it comes to being a super hero he has no flaws and thats boring. Still it really upset me when a while back when the Sinister 12 attacked, Spidey had to get help from the F4 and Avengers? He wasn't even a member at the time! Then he couldn't even take down Goblin without Doc Ock's help! "Sigh" I hope 616 Spidey will redeem himslef, TGF USM!

 

[Parker756]

Seems like Spider-man is the loser these days and Peter Parker is the carefree spirit....WTF

 

[SpideyForPrez]

No because, now Peter really is Spider-Man to the public so all Spidey's problems are Peters. Which is why Spidey put on a mask in the first place, I wish Bat-Man WOULD crossover and knock some sense into Spidey! Stan Lee must hate Joe Q, I would.

 

[Amm-arD]

In USM he takes a beating here and there, but he has shown he can pummell anyone if he wants, eg. Venom, Hobgoblin, Scorpian...

 

[Won '08]

So on another board I got into a debate with a guy over who would win, Batman or Spider-Man. (yeah I know pointless) But he claimed that Spidey's main weakness is gas that any simple gas can easily take him down. Is this true?

Let me end this right now.

Listen, don't worry about all the people miffed with how Peter Parker is being treated today in particular stories.

In ultimate spider-man he's an inexperienced teenager.

In Civil War , he LET Captain America go , on PURPOSE.

Excluding these things, as you should. Can Spider-Man beat BatMan?

Answer: Yes. Easily. Quickly.

Peter -is- able to hold his breath MUCH longer than a normal human being, first of all.

But thats not even an issue. Parker would slap Bruce once...and knock him out.

Simple as that.

Batman can -not- win against Spider-Man in a serious one on one battle between the two heroes. Just not possible.

 

[Won '08]

Not to say im pleased with how he's being written in the comics these days by the way. Just answering the guy's question truthfully.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Let me end this right now.

Listen, don't worry about all the people miffed with how Peter Parker is being treated today in particular stories.

In ultimate spider-man he's an inexperienced teenager.

In Civil War , he LET Captain America go , on PURPOSE.

Excluding these things, as you should. Can Spider-Man beat BatMan?

Answer: Yes. Easily. Quickly.

Peter -is- able to hold his breath MUCH longer than a normal human being, first of all.

But thats not even an issue. Parker would slap Bruce once...and knock him out.

Simple as that.

Batman can -not- win against Spider-Man in a serious one on one battle between the two heroes. Just not possible.

Wrong.

Batman wins.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

So gas isn't Spidey weakness?

 

[MyPokerShirt]

lol

i'm sure he doesnt like bowel gas. when MJ farts, peter leaves the room, k??

but he has a spider sense so would know it's coming. having said that the green goblin has knocked him out in both the movie and an issue of peter parker spider-man with gas and used it on him famously to dull his spider sense on another occassion so maybe he does have a wekaness for gas. weird, laughable start to this thread tho....