Comics A question about Spidey

[Gamma Burst]

We all love the "'underdog" spidey,but Marvel is really going too far with his underdog aspect...Spidey would moop the floor with bats anyway.

 

[farmernudie]

It'd be great to see Spidey outright "moop" the floor w/ Batman!

(and he SHOULD)

Unfortunately, he is written as a sophmoric (not too bright) wet dish rag these days...

Again, re-read the Juggernaut fight, or the Firelord (2-parter)....or any battle in the 80's when he was written rather well.

Another good one, i think, was one where he fought the sinister six, i believe it was (if my memory is recalling this right...) at an amusement park?...it was a two parter i think....Beetle, boomerang, sandman, speed-demon?....not sure on the whole line-up, just remember it was another great one from the time-frame. I dunno...just remembered that off the top of my head here...

Anyway....Batman may have been able to beat Superman, but he has a major weakness (kryptonite)....which spidey doesn't have....although if he keeps going around declaring his spidey sense ability to everyone he fights, that can be used against him.

What bothers me, now i think about it, is the fact that Peter used to be more smart in many ways...meaning he often came up with scientific solutions, new web shooters...he'd go back to the drawing board per say to help him be victorious....or he'd just outright never give up...as in Firelord and Juggernaut.

Writers have gotten kinda lazy with organic web shooters, imo, and wanting to off MJ and there is this attitude to just "get rid of stuff" or alter them to fit their mold and then things will be better.

But yeh, Spider-Man "should" beat Batman. Many heroes should be able to.

As good as Batman is....he is just a pure and total "man". Not even Captain America-like, in being that man. Heck, a stray bullet from a machine gun (from the Punisher) to the mouth of Batman would be brutal. Batman has no healing factor, no abnormally augmented strength, no abnoramlly augmented reflexes....etc.

I like Batman...just pointing that out. He is sometimes portrayed a little too "much" for his own good.

 

[farmernudie]

Were the other two members of that particular sinister six...

Rhino and hydroman????

trying to remember without digging out those issues...lol...now it's bugging me.

 

[Gamma Burst]

It'd be great to see Spidey outright "moop" the floor w/ Batman!

(and he SHOULD)

Unfortunately, he is written as a sophmoric (not too bright) wet dish rag these days...

Again, re-read the Juggernaut fight, or the Firelord (2-parter)....or any battle in the 80's when he was written rather well.

Another good one, i think, was one where he fought the sinister six, i believe it was (if my memory is recalling this right...) at an amusement park?...it was a two parter i think....Beetle, boomerang, sandman, speed-demon?....not sure on the whole line-up, just remember it was another great one from the time-frame. I dunno...just remembered that off the top of my head here...

Anyway....Batman may have been able to beat Superman, but he has a major weakness (kryptonite)....which spidey doesn't have....although if he keeps going around declaring his spidey sense ability to everyone he fights, that can be used against him.

What bothers me, now i think about it, is the fact that Peter used to be more smart in many ways...meaning he often came up with scientific solutions, new web shooters...he'd go back to the drawing board per say to help him be victorious....or he'd just outright never give up...as in Firelord and Juggernaut.

Writers have gotten kinda lazy with organic web shooters, imo, and wanting to off MJ and there is this attitude to just "get rid of stuff" or alter them to fit their mold and then things will be better.

But yeh, Spider-Man "should" beat Batman. Many heroes should be able to.

As good as Batman is....he is just a pure and total "man". Not even Captain America-like, in being that man. Heck, a stray bullet from a machine gun (from the Punisher) to the mouth of Batman would be brutal. Batman has no healing factor, no abnormally augmented strength, no abnoramlly augmented reflexes....etc.

I like Batman...just pointing that out. He is sometimes portrayed a little too "much" for his own good.

Great post

 

[DACrowe]

Indeed. I love Batman and collect him almost as much as I have Spider-Man and X-Men but the guy has become way too powerful for a regular man by DC fans and writers a like.

Oh well though.

 

[Won '08]

Wrong.

Batman wins.

This is why people in the Bronx don't cross the bridge.

 

[Won '08]

Another good one, i think, was one where he fought the sinister six, i believe it was (if my memory is recalling this right...) at an amusement park?...it was a two parter i think....Beetle, boomerang, sandman, speed-demon?....not sure on the whole line-up, just remember it was another great one from the time-frame. I dunno...just remembered that off the top of my head here...

When he had the black costume, his shoulder was dislocated and Silver Sable's ankle was sprained. They were hiding in the theme park from, not the sinister six...but uh...damn what did they call themselves...i forget but yeah good issue.

 

[farmernudie]

Can anyone help us...what was the name of that team? Was it a sinister six? The two-parter fought in an amusement park. To the best of my recollection...i think sandman may have helped spidey in the end during this particular battle.

(funny how the mind remembers as many spidey stories, on the fly...)

And was the team Beetle, Speed-demon, Sandman, Boomernag, Rhino and Hydorman?

Don't make me haul out my large Amazing spider-man collection!
LOL

 

[The Joker]

Can anyone help us...what was the name of that team? Was it a sinister six? The two-parter fought in an amusement park. To the best of my recollection...i think sandman may have helped spidey in the end during this particular battle.

(funny how the mind remembers as many spidey stories, on the fly...)

And was the team Beetle, Speed-demon, Sandman, Boomernag, Rhino and Hydorman?

Sinister Six?? Bite your tongue Such a poor line up of villains is not the Sinister Six. Not to mention there's no Doc Ock in that line up. And no Doc Ock means no Sinister Six. And that includes Mackie's half assed team with Sandman as the leader where Venom tagged along.

That team you mentioned there is the Sinister Syndicate. I don't believe Sandman was with them. He had turned good and was working with Silver Sable at the time. He helped Spidey defeat them.

 

[farmernudie]

Oh YEH!

Sinister Syndicate!!!

Thanks!!

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Indeed. I love Batman and collect him almost as much as I have Spider-Man and X-Men but the guy has become way too powerful for a regular man by DC fans and writers a like.

Oh well though.

I think DC is working on this in the OYL DCU. I think they are, anyway.

 

[Blackredens]

[FONT=&quot]Yep, you pretty much nailed it. It seems that Marvel has to recipes for Spider-Man:
1) Goes one-on-one with fellow hero - Spider-Man gets outclassed or gets his butt handed to him.

2) Goes against villain - gets beaten nearly to death.

I can't even recall the last time we saw Spider-Man using all of his faculties (mental and physical) to beat an opponent. Let's go through recent battles:
1) Cap is able to land 3 blows in 10 seconds against Spidey (shouldn't it be the other way around?)
2) He goes up against this Morlun character and decides to go toe-to-toe with a being he clearly cannot physically hurt. Never opting to retreat, regroup and use his brain to take down Morlun.
3) In a "training exercise" with the New Avengers, Spider-Man is the only character that is seriously hurt because Wolverine wants to put him in his place.
4) In the historic New Avengers debut issue, when villains attempt to break out of a maximum security prison, a team that is comprised of Spidey, Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Matt Murdock (in civilian clothes), Sentry and Captain America unite to take the villains down. Spidey is the only hero that suffers an injury when Jigsaw (a villain who the Punisher has handled many times) breaks his arm.

5) In the Warrior's Storyline, Ultimate Electra knocks out Ultimate Spidey with a five hit combo that sends Spider-man sailing out the window of a multi-story window a landing on a squad car....on his head.

6) The time when a cybernetic version of the Russian (one of Punisher's rogue villains) EASILY knocks out Spider-Man. Then (I swear I'm not making this up), the Punisher uses Spider-man unconscious body as a shield while the Russian continues to pound away, until the Punisher is able to figure out how the webshooters work, webs up the Russian mouth, and pushes him off a skyscraper.

There are no other heroes out there with enhanced speed, agility and a precognitive Spider-Sense linked to their reflexes. Yet Spider-Man has endured more beatings than any other hero in recent times. Marvel, it is OK to let this guy when a few fights. We’ll still buy his comic[/FONT]

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