The Amazing Spider-Man a realistic new york this time

[chaseter]

Because all of that was in the comics would be my guess.

 

[Mike]

Because all of that was in the comics would be my guess.

Hey we can add the clone saga in there too....because it was in the comics

 

[Mike]

a few cheers or reactions here and there but SM3 just made it too damn cheesy.

 

[AllyBabble]

I should have been more detailed about how the new yorkers should be. Let's be honest the only time I really seen people have a mixed reaction with spidey was in the first movie.but overall Everybody basiclly loved him in the last three movies. When it comes to peoples reactions to a masked hero kick ass got it right. I just hate the cheesy one liners raimi had the citizens say. Go spidey go. You mess with one of us you mess with all of us. And wicked coooool? And no more poseing by an american flag. Why was that necessary?

i love the 'it's a ...web....go spidey go!' moment, because that is when he gets kudos in the books too, right after saving someone, sometimes he does not, like, he will save a guy from a mugging and the guy will be just as freaked out, or even more freaked out by spidey than the mugger, that would be a good moment to do in a movie actually.
and part of the reason they get freaked out is basically because he is a guy in a full face mask who is hanging upside down like a spider, that combined with the bugle's campaign.

and i agree with chris wallace, the 'he stole that guy's pizzas' moment is a classic 'assume the worst about spidey' moment straight from the books, i loved that moment when i first saw it because of that.

and Dragon, dude, you are so right about all that stuff in the books, i didn't realize quite how much that Aunt May/Spider-man stuff bugged me until you said that.

the thing about Spider-man is that his victories and getting thanks from people should taste all the sweeter to him because he expects to be hated and mistrusted, like in the classic mtu with Man-thing, when this security guard says to him 'I'm your biggest fan!', and spidey genuinely replies 'I...have fans?!' That kind of vibe is what we should be getting, something that always set Spidey apart from the other superhero books, the outsider that people can be creeped out by, just like a spider in the bath.

 

[chaseter]

Hey we can add the clone saga in there too....because it was in the comics

This is exactly my point. People wanting certain things to be more like the comics but not others is hypocritical. This is why I said I guess this is another thread for someone to say how they want the movie to be. Or, you can accept that this is an adaptation and that as long as they keep the core of the characters and plots/themes there then it's fine. TDK made more changes than I can list or care to list.

Plus NY loving Spidey isn't cheesy Yes when kids go wicked cool that is terrible direction. But as a realistic NY as you say, I guess when Spidey stops a cop car from hitting people they should all just walk away or booo him instead of one woman yelling GO SPIDEY. Not realistic at all nope.

 

[Steyin]

As a New Yorker, I will say that it was depicted well enough throughout the films. My only beef was the "R" train to Forest Hills who's line ended abruptly in SM2. You want some more realistic NY? Have Spidey swing by a Mets game and watch in hiding.

 

[chaseter]

As a New Yorker, I will say that it was depicted well enough throughout the films. My only beef was the "R" train to Forest Hills who's line ended abruptly in SM2. You want some more realistic NY? Have Spidey swing by a Mets game and watch in hiding.

Nobody watches the Mets COME ON

 

[Steyin]

Nobody watches the Mets COME ON

Well unfortunately Peter is a Queens boy and Mets fan. I always thought that with the kind of life that he leads, the Mets made sense for him to root for

It would be nice to have a scene where some Yankee fan rags on him

 

[Chris Wallace]

Okay. Let's also remember that in a "real" city, people aren't that stupid. When they see that Spidey is breaking his ass to save them, they aren't going to boo him. That might tend to discourage him from saving them the next time. Also, this guy is superhuman. People would be afraid to piss him off. Sure, maybe amongst themselves they may say they don't trust him, or even fear him. But in the moments presented in the films, it simply wasn't appropriate that people would be voicing dislike of him.

And Jesus- we're shown in the movies that regardless of public love or hate, his life still sucks, so the main point that despite his good intentions his life is hell is covered. Some of the concepts presented in the comics were taken too far. Such as the thing with Aunt May. I can certainly understand her fearing Spidey. But when they'd have her acting like a ***** toward him even when he'd be saving her life, while being friendly toward a known criminal like Ock, it only made her look like an idiot. I'd see this and think "Okay, let that that ***** fall to her death".

I'd love to see that lady from the tenement fire wearing a t-shirt that reads: "Spider-Man saved my baby from a burning building; your argument is invalid."

 

[DACrowe]

There was no negativity towards Spidey in Spider-Man 2 from the New Yorkers, apart from Jonah, of course.

You crazy, Joker? My favorite line of the movie right at the top of it was:

"Hey...HE STOLE THAT GUY'S PIZZAS!!!!!"

Cheesy? Yes. Sam Raimi? Yes. But it was a great way to show in SM2 most people still crap on him (he would be fired about 60 seconds later in the film and then "fired" by JJJ again 45 seconds after that). Plus, I could see Stan Lee writing that into a comic if he had thought of it during the classic run.

 

[SpideyTheBest]

We should probably focus on some New Yorkers who has nothing to do with the story whatsoever talking about Spidey in a negative light, that'll make New York more realistic because realisim is exactly what we need in a comic book movie.

Tbh, a little scene where Spidey saves a guy or a woman or a couple from being robbed and them going "don't come near us" after being saved by him wouldn't be too bad, if it has something to do with the story or to show how JJ's papers ruins his reputation. Maybe a little scene where Peter walks by some strangers and they talk about Spidey in a negative light. But it will mostly be unnecessary unless it has something to do with the story like, the story could be about Peter's struggle to redeem himself as Spidey after screwing up after a fight with a villain who is important to the story, trying to fight crime and wasting time not being there for Aunt May or missing dates and such.

 

[Majik1387]

Umm, I don't know about the rest of you, but I don;t think any of us have been in a situation where a superhero is saving an air tram of civilians, mainly kids and a lone woman while also duking it out with a psychopathic supervillain on an evil looking hoverboard. I don't think the line of "You mess with Spidey, you mess with all of NY" was so out of place or uncalled for. New Yorker's can be hardened people, but in a situation like that, I doubt they'd be heartless or have no empathy to the choice Spidey might have to make.

I think a worse line is in SM2 on the train when the passengers tell Doc Ock they'd have to get through all of them; That was cringe worthy. And other than the finale focusing too much on a reporter and random crowd at the construction site, it really didn't have a problem in that regard either.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'd like to see the cops chase Spider-man and Ney Yorkers fear him so you can see the impact of the Daily Bugle.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Umm, I don't know about the rest of you, but I don;t think any of us have been in a situation where a superhero is saving an air tram of civilians, mainly kids and a lone woman while also duking it out with a psychopathic supervillain on an evil looking hoverboard. I don't think the line of "You mess with Spidey, you mess with all of NY" was so out of place or uncalled for. New Yorker's can be hardened people, but in a situation like that, I doubt they'd be heartless or have no empathy to the choice Spidey might have to make.

I think a worse line is in SM2 on the train when the passengers tell Doc Ock they'd have to get through all of them; That was cringe worthy. And other than the finale focusing too much on a reporter and random crowd at the construction site, it really didn't have a problem in that regard either.

i really wish the Goblin would have blown them up on the bridge

 

[The Joker]

You crazy, Joker? My favorite line of the movie right at the top of it was:

"Hey...HE STOLE THAT GUY'S PIZZAS!!!!!"

Cheesy? Yes. Sam Raimi? Yes. But it was a great way to show in SM2 most people still crap on him (he would be fired about 60 seconds later in the film and then "fired" by JJJ again 45 seconds after that). Plus, I could see Stan Lee writing that into a comic if he had thought of it during the classic run.

It was a comedy moment not to be taken seriously. Peter runs into the alley with pizzas, 5 seconds later Spider-Man swings out carrying them.

I can't believe some people actually took that as a hate moment.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

its NY...! they've seen it all... people shouldn't react to him at all... now that would be a realistic NY... lol

they should have like one out of towner who see's him and is like "what was that!!!" and then have some NY'er be like "tourist, ha"

 

[Dragon]

i really wish the Goblin would have blown them up on the bridge

Why would you wish for that?

 

[Dragon]

Okay.. Let's perspective this..

Spidey 2:

1. Peter loses his job because he doesn't delivers pizzas on time- as he had to stop to save some kids from being killed.
2. He can't sell any photos but one of Spider-Man to the guy who is spreading Spidey hate. And even after selling the photo he has no money because he's already been advanced too much.
3. He's failing in school.
4. The woman he loves is seeing another guy because he has no time to see her.
5. His best friend hates his alter ego and WANTS HIM DEAD.
6. His Aunt is about to lose her home- and yet she forces him to take 20 bucks.
7. He goes home to a ****hole that even the rats would be ashamed to inhabit- loses the same 20 bucks his destitute Aunt just forced on him to his greedy low-life landlord.

And some of you then also needed to see people yelling that they hate Spider-Man too? Might've been laying things on a little too thick, don't ya think?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Umm, I don't know about the rest of you, but I don;t think any of us have been in a situation where a superhero is saving an air tram of civilians, mainly kids and a lone woman while also duking it out with a psychopathic supervillain on an evil looking hoverboard. I don't think the line of "You mess with Spidey, you mess with all of NY" was so out of place or uncalled for. New Yorker's can be hardened people, but in a situation like that, I doubt they'd be heartless or have no empathy to the choice Spidey might have to make.

THis I agree with. Plus, whatever perceptions or misgivings they might have about Spidey, they knew for a fact that the Goblin was a menace and they could clearly see what the situation was.

I'd like to see the cops chase Spider-man and Ney Yorkers fear him so you can see the impact of the Daily Bugle.

Didn't a cop try to arrest him at the tenement fire?

 

[Chris Wallace]

i really wish the Goblin would have blown them up on the bridge

Thereby nullifying the entire message of the movie-"With great power comes great responsibility." To put it another way, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. Had the Goblin blown up the people on the bridge, it would have told this young, neophyte superhero that innocent people are going to die in front of you no matter what you do. Sure it would have been gruesome and made the Goblin seem more ruthless, but is that really the note you would have wanted the movie to end on? The hero failing? I could never wish for that even if it was a character that I hated.
Plus it seems to me that the people rallying behind Spider-Man only fueled the Goblin's rage toward HIM. I think attacking the people would have come off more as a tantrum now that I think about it.
@Dragon; you left out where he was forced to take pics of her engagement announcement, couldn't even get a damn drink or hors' deuvre at said party, couldn't dissuade his best friend's hatred of his alter ego DESPITE saving his life, and ruined his underwear in the wash because he (apparently) couldn't afford to do them in a separate load.

 

[Ajendo]

its NY...! they've seen it all... people shouldn't react to him at all... now that would be a realistic NY... lol

they should have like one out of towner who see's him and is like "what was that!!!" and then have some NY'er be like "tourist, ha"

haha...reminds me of that scene in MIB2 where will smith is riding that big slug in the subway and the people on the platform, show know reaction, like its normal or in Night at the museum, where the cab driver sees the dinosaur and acts like its normal. New Yorkers...

 

[Chris Wallace]

haha...reminds me of that scene in MIB2 where will smith is riding that big slug in the subway and the people on the platform, show know reaction, like its normal or in Night at the museum, where the cab driver sees the dinosaur and acts like its normal. New Yorkers...

TMNT-the cab driver CLEARLY sees a giant turtle in a trenchcoat & barely bats an eye.

 

[The Joker]

Thereby nullifying the entire message of the movie-"With great power comes great responsibility." To put it another way, evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

So is Peter to blame for Goblin being able to kill the board members at the Unity festival because he didn't act quickly enough?

Had the Goblin blown up the people on the bridge, it would have told this young, neophyte superhero that innocent people are going to die in front of you no matter what you do.

Like the guy who perished in the burning building in Spider-Man 2. Like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, Harry etc?

Sure it would have been gruesome and made the Goblin seem more ruthless, but is that really the note you would have wanted the movie to end on? The hero failing?

How is that the hero failing? Causalities happen in every movie.

 

[Chris Wallace]

There had already been MORE than enough casualties. We didn't need more and we didn't need to end the movie on a depressing note. And Goblin, Ock and Venom were hardly innocent, their deaths completely unpreventable. The guy in the burning building didn't die IN FRONT OF HIM and there was truly nothing he could do as he was acting with the strength, speed and stamina of a mere mortal and it was all he could do to get the kid out.
Are you actually supporting the idea that Goblin should've killed everyone? Do you also wish the Joker had succeeded in blowing up the ferries, or that Two-Face had shot Gordon's kid, or Magneto had succeeded in wiping out all of humanity?

 

[The Joker]

There had already been MORE than enough casualties. We didn't need more and we didn't need to end the movie on a depressing note.

We DID see the movie end on a depressing note. Harry hated Spidey for killing his father, and Peter rejected MJ for a life of solitude.

In what way was this a happy ending?

And Goblin, Ock and Venom were hardly innocent, their deaths completely unpreventable.

Oh so you think Spider-Man must only save the innocent and not the guilty?

You're just proving my point, some deaths are not preventable. Spider-Man couldn't save them any more than he could have saved the board members, Rosie Octavius etc.

The guy in the burning building didn't die IN FRONT OF HIM and there was truly nothing he could do as he was acting with the strength, speed and stamina of a mere mortal and it was all he could do to get the kid out.

Yet he blamed himself for it anyway. He doesn't act and people get hurt. He does act, and people still get hurt. That's the message it's sending. He's Spider-Man, not God Almighty.

If the people on the bridge died from deliberately antagonizing an armed psychopath on a glider, while Spidey was indisposed holding a tram full of kids, that would be their funeral. Look at the scene in Spider-Man 2, when the train passengers stood up to Ock. A couple of them went through the windows when he smashed them all aside. Spidey's not to blame for that either. You mess with a super villain, you suffer the consequences.

Are you actually supporting the idea that Goblin should've killed everyone? Do you also wish the Joker had succeeded in blowing up the ferries, or that Two-Face had shot Gordon's kid, or Magneto had succeeded in wiping out all of humanity?

No, I'm supporting the notion that Spider-Man would not be to blame if Goblin had flown up there and bombed the lot of them while he was saving that tram.