A Realization Of The Batman Kind

[Comics N' Toons]

i've been a batman fan for years ok... so that's no rule of indication, but from a lot of the documentaries and things i've seen from Batman '89... i finally realised where Batman works best...

in gangland... Burton's vision is the closest to what batfans need to their batman w/ everything from Gotham to the villians...

Burton's vision may be good & dark, but it's important that Batman's world be inhabited by Bogie's & Cagney type characters w/ fedoras and tommy guns...

BATMAN'S WORLD WORKS BEST AS A MODERNIZED Warner Brothers Gangster movie that is part gothic & part old school...

why do you think fans love The Long Halloween so much... i just think that Gotham needs to be a romantic, yet dirty city....

something along the lines of paris (without the pissing in the streets) or Bourbon Street in New Orleans


something about Gotham... i mean i can just see a modernized Maltese Falcon or something....

Batman works best w/ big guns & fanciful architecture & beautiful women & gangsters turned bad & EVERYTHING

your thoughts...

 

[RobC]

I completely disagree with everything you have just said.

Sorry, I don't think Gotham needs to be a gangster city at all, mainly beause it was only a gangster city for roughly two/three years in modern continuity. It works best as a dirt, seedy metropolis, with neon signs on skyscrapers, and dingy back alleys where people fear to tread.

My Gotham would be like lower Manhattan or South London, terrible poverty right next to massive skyscrapers and symbols of corporate wealth (Greed?) I don't see it as a Paris at all, after visiting, I realized Paris is exactly as advertised, a cosmopolitain hotpot of different cultures, sure there's the dark and seedy areas, but most of it is designed toards tourist accomodation.

Gotham is the opposite in my opinion, tourists go to Metropolis. The uninformed go to Gotham.

But good ideas, and at least you're trying to stir up some new ideas on the boards...

 

[Comics N' Toons]

forget all of the conventions of paris or any big city & forget about a gotham city as being run by gangsters… No, WHAT I WAS MEANING IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A GANGSTER ELEMENT TO HIGHTEN THE TIMELESSNESS & ENHANCE THE dirty dystopian feel of Gotham... it needs to be as if hell had erupted... YES there should be a mob element, but I was just commenting on the style of Batman ’89, with a 40’s meets 80’stimelessness… THAT FILM COULD’VE TAKEN PLACE AT ANY PERIOD IN HISTORY…

we just need a gotham that is a confused mix of timelessness & posh small european/american town mixed w/ a contemporary NYC or something… something that would mesh a MODERN big city w/ old world charm….

 

[Cain]

I think he means an amalgation of different eras to reprsent the city. Like how Burton's movies and the animated series had characters wearing fedoras & long coats, criminals with tommy guns, cars with body types from the 1940's and buildings with depression era architecture mixed with modern touches. If that's so then I completely agree that's how my ideal Gotham would be too a place that basically has no real time definition it could be any era.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

that's exactly it... although the cars don't really matter i would like to see a healthy mix of cars from the 70's to now to add a modern touch instead of cars from the 90's to today

architecture-wise Anton Furst nailed it

 

[JokerLedger]

I've always been curious as to what Batman would be like in Downtown Los Angeles.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

L.A. wouldn't be anything for Bats... that city would have a zero crime rate if he was there... that's why they had to make a fictional city for the dark knight...places like L.A. or NY pale in comparison

 

[JokerLedger]

hhmm... I guess what I meant to say was what if Gotham was based off of Downtown Los Angeles. I always hear of Gotham being based off/influenced of NYC or Chicago but I've never heard of LA being one.

This is one of the reasons why I'm anticipating Iron Man so much. Favreau decided enough of the New York City setting... let's put him in a place that's never used... Los Angeles!

 

[RobC]

Oh no, I get what you're saying, I just disagree. I don't think that prohbition era style Batman works at all, in fact it's one of my major gripes with B89. I don't think BB's Chicago-lite works either.

I get that you believe that the gangster style Gotham works, but for me it doesn't, I see it more as a neon city, with a seedy underbelly. More like a stripclub than a speakeasy.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

whatabout something like the bladerunner universe, w/o the technology?

maybe even w/ technology (if you want DKR)

 

[Carlynn Carnage]

See I will always love the Burton Batman, I know there is a million things wrong with them. But I will always love Batman Returns. It was beautiful!

 

[RobC]

I could dig that, I always see Gotham sort of like Mega-City in Judge Dredd, just without the technology and stuff.

 

[Kaizer]

I think the Blade Runner comparison is pretty good, dirty and dark, but without all the tech.

 

[Cain]

that's exactly it... although the cars don't really matter i would like to see a healthy mix of cars from the 70's to now to add a modern touch instead of cars from the 90's to today

architecture-wise Anton Furst nailed it

Mind you I wouldn't limit it just to 40's car body types even Burton used a lot of 70's cars in his first movie. Just trying to clarify in the easiest way what you were trying to say. Burton and TAS approach is very similar to Norm Breyfogle's Gotham which had a lot of modern twists to classic stuff.

The way I've always viewed it Gotham is the city of yesterday which is now decaying and rotting away similar to many areas of the city I live in (Manhattan). Metropolis on the other hand is the city of tomorrow and is meant to look as progressive as possible.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I like your ideas but Im not totally agreeing with them!

 

[RobC]

Agreed that Metropolis is meant to be that sort of incredible futuristic city, kind of like uptownn Kuala Lumpur.

I still see Gotham as kind of South London or Lower Manhattan, a good city gone bad.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

yeah most of all your comments are similar & can be related in some way... if the bladerunner universe was like in 1980's or the 90's or so, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT i think.

 

[RobC]

Agreed. A sort of modernized decay.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

yeah... kind of noirish & pulpish w/ insane amounts of crime.... like i said before AS IF HELL ERUPTED FROM THE BENEATH THE STREETS

 

[RobC]

Agreed with that, I keep thinking about a city where like no matter what corner you turn there's a crime, there's always something going on, from massive plots to poison reservoirs to simple street corner drug dealers.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

nice year one Joker reference (poisoning the reservoir)

 

[RobC]

I'm all about the referencing

 

[returntovoid]

i've been a batman fan for years ok... so that's no rule of indication, but from a lot of the documentaries and things i've seen from Batman '89... i finally realised where Batman works best...

in gangland... Burton's vision is the closest to what batfans need to their batman w/ everything from Gotham to the villians...

Burton's vision may be good & dark, but it's important that Batman's world be inhabited by Bogie's & Cagney type characters w/ fedoras and tommy guns...

BATMAN'S WORLD WORKS BEST AS A MODERNIZED Warner Brothers Gangster movie that is part gothic & part old school...

why do you think fans love The Long Halloween so much... i just think that Gotham needs to be a romantic, yet dirty city....

something along the lines of paris (without the pissing in the streets) or Bourbon Street in New Orleans


something about Gotham... i mean i can just see a modernized Maltese Falcon or something....

Batman works best w/ big guns & fanciful architecture & beautiful women & gangsters turned bad & EVERYTHING

your thoughts...

This post is full of win! I couldn't agree more!

Batman most certainly works best in a Film-noir/Pulp Fiction/Gothic-type city.

There a need of Batman in a city that looks like hell on earth.