Thespiralgoeson
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Yes! Thank you! I LOVE that scene! I thought I was the only one who really appreciated it. All through Begins I found myself hoping for a scene like that.
This is pretty spot on. As for one film verses the other, I agree completely. The Zimmer/Howard score doesn't even compare to the Elfman score. Like you said, that score IS Batman. When I hear that score, I don't think "Tim Burton's Batman." I think "Batman." I really didn't care for the score in Begins at all. I also don't really like the batsuit in Begins. The black emblem on the black suit did nothing for me. I think the suit would've looked much better (and frankly, much more "Batman") if the suit itself was the classic dark grey, with the black emblem, cowl, boots, cape and gloves. It never really looked like the batsuit IMO. It just felt like it was missing something. With the exception of not being able to turn his head, I still think B89 is the definitive batsuit. It was basically just the Neal Adams Batman, only all black instead of blue and grey. Keaton also had the better Batman voice, hands down. Overall, I have to say I like the general look and atmosphere of Batman 89 more than Begins. But that's what Tim Burton's specialties are; look and atmosphere.
As for Begins, for me it is the definitive Batman origin story, no contest. I liked it WAY more than Year One. I just loved everything about Bruce's journey to ultimately becomming the Dark Knight. I loved how ALL the characters in the movie are given the respect they deserve in the Batman mythos, particularly Gordon, as well as the fact that for all the stuff that was going on (and there was a LOT going in Begins) Bruce/Batman himself was still the core of the film, and never overshadowed even for a second by the villains. Bale's performance was pitch perfect (corny sounding "Batman voice aside). I think he really was flawless as Bruce Wayne. And the rest of the ensemble cast never missed a beat either. The casting in Begins really was incredible. And lastly, what is perhaps Begins' greatest strength as a take on the character was the "realistic" aspect of the move. I know that word gets thrown around here so much, so I try to avoid using it. After all, Batman Begins really isn't anymore realistic than any other comic-based movie. But the film presents Batman in a way that seems realistic. Like you said, it really presents the story as if it could actually happen, and that's no small accomplishment, considering the characters and events really are quite preposterous. It's really quite an unconventional film. That's probably what I loved about it the most. It had to be, because Batman is a very, very unconventional comic hero. Nolan was the perfect choice to direct the film. I particular loved his non-linear story telling. He has a real gift for it, and uses it in all of his films. It's something you just don't see in other comic-based movies but it fit like a glove in Batman Begins.
I can't choose a favorite Batmobile. The 89 batmobile just looked really, really, really effing cool. But the tumbler blew me away as well. It just looked so powerful.
Both films really went the right direction in presenting the characters for their respective times. The Goldeneye/Casino Royale analogy is an apporpriate one. Batman 89 put Batman back in the limelight and introduced the dark, intimidating, serious Batman to the general public who were still largely only familiar with the 60's tv show. Begins re-invented the character again for us all and gave us Bat-fans the faithfull-to-the-comics film we'd been waiting for for so long.
I'll never be able to choose a favorite. As a life-long Batman devotee, they both gave me everything I wanted.
