Age of Ultron Action scenes you want to see

[metaphysician]

I always figured they'd deal with QS by having Hawkeye use his marksman skills on him.

I don't see any other method to stop him really, but wtf do I know, I don't even read comics.

God, I hope not. That's always one of the dumbest things in comics, where a guy running around at super speed somehow gets hit by an attack that should be stationary from his perspective. Only thing worse is when a speedster decides to run around their enemy, and somehow decides to clothesline themselves against a completely-stationary extended arm.

 

[TJByrum]

God, I hope not. That's always one of the dumbest things in comics, where a guy running around at super speed somehow gets hit by an attack that should be stationary from his perspective. Only thing worse is when a speedster decides to run around their enemy, and somehow decides to clothesline themselves against a completely-stationary extended arm.

There has to be some way though, and that's the only way I think of.

Wait, doesn't QS just have super-speed? I don't think running fast causes time to slow down; time just keeps going at its normal rate, you're just able to run faster, right? If Hawkeye lined up the shot right, by the time QS saw it and tried to stop, he would have gotten to that location too quickly, how could he react?

One again, I don't read comics, so I don't know a whole lot about it, so don't criticize me for not reading comics. Just asking questions.

 

[metaphysician]

Super speed *is* the ability to "make time slow down", if by that you mean "have reflexes commensurate to your movement speed." If you *don't* have said reflexes, you can't do any of the classic speedster tricks at all. If you can run a mile in a second without running into anything, you can also dodge or punch at said same speed.

 

[Marvelocity]

Seems like everybody is convinced Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man. So are they going to further retcon Iron Man 3 (in addition to making up for the Mandarin blunder in that one-shot) in which he gets rid of all his suits because he doesn't need them anymore? I see this ending up like Thor/Avengers all over again where Thor has no way back to Earth one moment and instantly comes to Earth the next movie because the writers aren't on the same page. What excuse will they have for Tony getting back in his suit? "Oh, well I thought there would never be any more danger after the phoney Mandarin, so I blew up my suits. But now there's MORE danger! I gotta jump back in my suit!" Brilliant writing.

 

[iambranded]

Seems like everybody is convinced Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man. So are they going to further retcon Iron Man 3 (in addition to making up for the Mandarin blunder in that one-shot) in which he gets rid of all his suits because he doesn't need them anymore? I see this ending up like Thor/Avengers all over again where Thor has no way back to Earth one moment and instantly comes to Earth the next movie because the writers aren't on the same page. What excuse will they have for Tony getting back in his suit? "Oh, well I thought there would never be any more danger after the phoney Mandarin, so I blew up my suits. But now there's MORE danger! I gotta jump back in my suit!" Brilliant writing.

you didnt hear his remarks toward the end of the movie...saying I am Iron Man etc etc?....yeah he got rid of 99.9999 % of his suits

 

[iambranded]

This is all i want to see and hear Thor say those words.......I'll go bananas in the movie theater..... after the Avengers were taken to the wood shed....the avengers break free and defeat most of Ultrons minions....head over to ultrons lair...and this happens (BELOW)

 

[cph9fa]

Seems like everybody is convinced Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man. So are they going to further retcon Iron Man 3 (in addition to making up for the Mandarin blunder in that one-shot) in which he gets rid of all his suits because he doesn't need them anymore? I see this ending up like Thor/Avengers all over again where Thor has no way back to Earth one moment and instantly comes to Earth the next movie because the writers aren't on the same page. What excuse will they have for Tony getting back in his suit? "Oh, well I thought there would never be any more danger after the phoney Mandarin, so I blew up my suits. But now there's MORE danger! I gotta jump back in my suit!" Brilliant writing.

This has got to be one of the most misunderstood points in the entire MCU, and I've seen countless arguments going both ways: he's clearly stopped being Iron Man, vs he's clearly still Iron Man. Early on, I flip-flopped quite a bit in my own interpretation. The fact that it's been so hotly debated means the film didn't communicate its intent clearly, which is one of the reasons I rate IM3 relatively low in the MCU.

After going back and forth on it several times myself, in the context of the entire continuity of the future MCU, and given the closing line "I am Iron Man", I think it's pretty clear that he's still Iron Man.

The question is why did he blow up his suits, if he's still Iron Man? Not as a sign of giving up or quitting, but as (1) a symbol to Pepper of her importance to him, and (2) a symbol of his overcoming his own obsessive fears and PTSD. A "Clean Slate" indicates a new beginning; it wasn't the "End of the Line" protocol.

But I fully agree that it came across as confusing in the film. In fact, sometimes I think IM3 deliberately leaves Tony's exact status a bit nebulous. Until I see Age of Ultron, I'm willing to leave it up in the air as exactly what Tony is doing. We do know from Hill's statements in Agents of SHIELD that he's continuing to privatize global security.

That said, it sounds like he's still going to try to pawn off the responsibility onto an AI, and it may (or may not) take the emergence of Ultron for Tony to realize that he needs to personally suit up himself.

EDIT: BTW, All Hail the King is NOT a retcon. It was always part of the plan to have a legitimate Mandarin that Killian was subverting. IM3 itself even refers to the existence of this historical figure that Killian was usurping. It wasn't somehow bolted on after the fact to please whiny fanboys.

 

[TeeKay]

Seems like everybody is convinced Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man. So are they going to further retcon Iron Man 3 (in addition to making up for the Mandarin blunder in that one-shot) in which he gets rid of all his suits because he doesn't need them anymore? I see this ending up like Thor/Avengers all over again where Thor has no way back to Earth one moment and instantly comes to Earth the next movie because the writers aren't on the same page. What excuse will they have for Tony getting back in his suit? "Oh, well I thought there would never be any more danger after the phoney Mandarin, so I blew up my suits. But now there's MORE danger! I gotta jump back in my suit!" Brilliant writing.

He didn't stop being Iron Man, good lord. The entire point of IM3 was for Tony could find out whether he was a hero with or without the suit. Does the man make the suit or does the suit make the man. Tony destroyed all his old suits as a declaration of his own inner strength. He's not afraid anymore. He knew what he wants to do, and he doesn't need those suits to protect him anymore. He was using those suits as a comfort blanket. Those 42 suits he built were symbolic of an unhealthy mind. He created them all in a feverish, weak mental state. By initiating "Operation Clean Slate Protocol", destroying all the suits and then also having the arc reactor removed (I was a bit iffy on that), he's taking away his dependence on the suits and the obsessive need he's had through all three films to be the one to solve the problem. He's realized it's the Man that makes the suit. He's just getting rid of old baggage and finally moving on.

I don't see how people mis-understand the ending of IM3 especially when he picks up a screwdriver and says "I AM IRON MAN" at the end. Tony doesn't need an excuse for getting back in the armour. According to the EW article,

"For better or worse (trust us, it’s worse), his Tony Stark has devised a plan that won’t require him to put on the Iron Man suit anymore, and should allow Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the Hulk to get some much needed R&R as well. His solution is Ultron, self-aware, self-teaching, artificial intelligence designed to help assess threats, and direct Stark’s Iron Legion of drones to battle evildoers instead."

Ultron goes rogue and he goes back in the armour to stop his creation. That's a damn good reason to put the armour back on.

 

[Marvelocity]

So he doesn't need the armor anymore, but he's going to use the armor anyway...LOL. Stop trying to justify the ending of that awful movie to me. It was one of the very worst comic book films of all time and ruined a great character as well as his arch nemesis.

 

[metaphysician]

This has got to be one of the most misunderstood points in the entire MCU, and I've seen countless arguments going both ways: he's clearly stopped being Iron Man, vs he's clearly still Iron Man. Early on, I flip-flopped quite a bit in my own interpretation. The fact that it's been so hotly debated means the film didn't communicate its intent clearly, which is one of the reasons I rate IM3 relatively low in the MCU.

I don't think this last bit is actually true. They communicated the intent just fine; the reason it is 'debated' is that some people didn't like the answer, so to speak. Its not Marvel's fault if people don't actually pay attention to the movie.

EDIT: BTW, All Hail the King is NOT a retcon. It was always part of the plan to have a legitimate Mandarin that Killian was subverting. IM3 itself even refers to the existence of this historical figure that Killian was usurping. It wasn't somehow bolted on after the fact to please whiny fanboys.

Maybe so, but acting like this "real" Mandarin is going to be some kind of major figure is still ridiculous. If he had any actual heft, he would have acted against Killian and AIM in some way *before* Killian died from unrelated reasons.

 

[The Endless]

The people who thought Tony retired from being Iron Man in IM3 weren't paying attention to his character arc.

He IS Iron Man. With or without the armour. In no way does it indicate that he is not gonna wearing the armour anymore.

 

[fixxxer]

He didn't destroy his suits because he didn't want to be Iron Man anymore. He destroyed them because he wanted to start over. The 35+ suits he built between The Avengers and Iron Man 3 were the product of a fragmented, tortured mind and this manifested in his tech via somewhat unreliable suits. A clean slate implies a fresh start and not an end. Hence "Clean Slate Protocol". To me at least, the movie couldn't have spelled this out any clearer. *shrugs*

 

[TeeKay]

So he doesn't need the armor anymore, but he's going to use the armor anyway...LOL. Stop trying to justify the ending of that awful movie to me. It was one of the very worst comic book films of all time and ruined a great character as well as his arch nemesis.

He doesn't need the armour to be considered a 'hero'. He simply knows he's a hero with or without the armour. That was the whole damn point of IM3. He was using the armour as a comfort blanket, thinking that without it, he was nothing. IM3 basically showed he can do a lot of the stuff outside the armour and that his greatest weapon is not the armour, but his intellect. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm elborating on what was shown and said in the film(something that clearly went over you head). It's fine if you didn't like the film but Tony's character arc was very clear and defined.

The people who thought Tony retired from being Iron Man in IM3 weren't paying attention to his character arc.

He IS Iron Man. With or without the armour. In no way does it indicate that he is not gonna wearing the armour anymore.

He didn't destroy his suits because he didn't want to be Iron Man anymore. He destroyed them because he wanted to start over. The 35+ suits he built between The Avengers and Iron Man 3 were the product of a fragmented, tortured mind and this manifested in his tech via somewhat unreliable suits. A clean slate implies a fresh start and not an end. Hence "Clean Slate Protocol". To me at least, the movie couldn't have spelled this out any clearer. *shrugs*

All that^^. You're the only one here who seems like you didn't get the message of Tony's character arc. Some of us who were paying attention did. Tony has to put the armour back on to fight his creation. There's no other way around it.

 

[Mjölnir]

God, I hope not. That's always one of the dumbest things in comics, where a guy running around at super speed somehow gets hit by an attack that should be stationary from his perspective. Only thing worse is when a speedster decides to run around their enemy, and somehow decides to clothesline themselves against a completely-stationary extended arm.

Super speed is perhaps the most problematic power there is. At a certain point there's basically nothing physical you could ever do against a speedster, which becomes really boring. That's why Superman, Surfer etc do get hit in fights even though that would realistically never ever happen (unless fighting another speedster).

While Quicksilver in DOFP was cool he was made way too powerful for my taste. If he stole Magneto's helmet he'd be nearly invincible and he's more capable than most teams at most things. I hope AoU features a more well-balanced Quicksilver.

 

[metaphysician]

Super speed is perhaps the most problematic power there is. At a certain point there's basically nothing physical you could ever do against a speedster, which becomes really boring. That's why Superman, Surfer etc do get hit in fights even though that would realistically never ever happen (unless fighting another speedster).

While Quicksilver in DOFP was cool he was made way too powerful for my taste. If he stole Magneto's helmet he'd be nearly invincible and he's more capable than most teams at most things. I hope AoU features a more well-balanced Quicksilver.

The problem is, you *can't* avoid those issues and still have a speedster. If the character doesn't have commensurate reflexes to his movement rate, he can't do any of the feats that actually make a speedster a speedster ( and really, can't do much of anything with his movement period ). And you scarcely need more than Mach 1 super speed to invoke all the problems of fighting a speedster.

Its best to just accept that a speedster is going to be really powerful, and write a plot that allows for such. This means not pitting him against normal-ish level opponents, and remembering that all the speed in the world scarcely matters if you can't do anything to your foe.

 

[The Endless]

Yea the thing is, Quicksilver has normal human durability. If he ran at Hulk or Thor and punched them at 1000 mph... he'd liquefy himself before he ever hurt either of them.

I guess they could get around that by him having some kind of bio-metric force field when he uses his speed or something.

 

[TeeKay]

I really want to see how Ultron will do with Quicksilver. Along with his sister and Thor, they're one of the powerful avengers. It was already hinted that Ultron doesn't really see Thor as a problem but as a solution and that he might turn him against his own team mates.

 

[metaphysician]

Yea the thing is, Quicksilver has normal human durability. If he ran at Hulk or Thor and punched them at 1000 mph... he'd liquefy himself before he ever hurt either of them.

I guess they could get around that by him having some kind of bio-metric force field when he uses his speed or something.

Even then, Quicksilver isn't going to be able to *hurt* either of them. A thousand times nothing is still nothing, and unlike the Flash, Quicksilver kind of has a limit on how much added oomph he can add to his punches.

 

[ctsketch]

Even then, Quicksilver isn't going to be able to *hurt* either of them. A thousand times nothing is still nothing, and unlike the Flash, Quicksilver kind of has a limit on how much added oomph he can add to his punches.

Actually more velocity = more force.....so there is a speed at which his mass should be able to seriously hurt Hulk and Thor...issue is his durability

 

[kaijunexus]

Look... Quicksilver runs really fast, but not even close to the speed of light.

What does move at the speed of light? Electricity.

Who commands electricity? Thor.

Quicksilver can't outrun Thor's lightning. Thor wins.

 

[ctsketch]

Look... Quicksilver runs really fast, but not even close to the speed of light.

What does move at the speed of light? Electricity.

Who commands electricity? Thor.

Quicksilver can't outrun Thor's lightning. Thor wins.

yes but Thor needs to be able to target him quickly. Thor's reaction time must be quick...unless the magic nature of his lightning allows him to just say "hey...eff that guy in particular"

 

[cph9fa]

It's time for some science, yo!

Technically, lightning doesn't move at the speed of light (it's actually an ionized plasma channel). In fact, its speed apparently varies some. But very roughly speaking, lightning travels about 1000 times faster than sound, and light travels about 1000 times faster than that. For comparison, an arrow travels, at best, maybe a third the speed of sound. I'm not sure where Quicksilver falls on that scale, but it probably is slower than lightning.

~100 m/s -- Arrow (from compound bow with high draw-weight)
~340 m/s -- Sound
~400 km/s -- Lightning (on average)
~300 Mm/s -- Light

 

[kaijunexus]

It's time for some science, yo!

Technically, lightning doesn't move at the speed of light (it's actually an ionized plasma channel). In fact, its speed apparently varies some. But very roughly speaking, lightning travels about 1000 times faster than sound, and light travels about 1000 times faster than that. For comparison, an arrow travels, at best, maybe a third the speed of sound. I'm not sure where Quicksilver falls on that scale, but it probably is slower than lightning.

~100 m/s -- Arrow (from compound bow with high draw-weight)
~340 m/s -- Sound
~400 km/s -- Lightning (on average)
~300 Mm/s -- Light

Thanks for the clarification!

I have a question, though. If Quicksilver were to move faster than the speed of sound, wouldn't he consistently be creating sonic booms as he zipped around?

Once the movie comes out, if we never hear any sonic booms as Quicksilver is moving about, can we assume that his speed probably maxes out under 340 m/s?

 

[The Endless]

Move Thor hasn't really been given any speed feats so far really.

It'd be cool if he was as fast as lightning though. I picture a scene where Ultron is getting hit by lightning... well it appears he is to normal human perception. But really it's Thor traveling through the lightning and smashing Ultron with Mjolnir.

 

[metaphysician]

Actually more velocity = more force.....so there is a speed at which his mass should be able to seriously hurt Hulk and Thor...issue is his durability

That presumes you can work with real world physics. You really can't, with speedsters. So, no, running really fast doesn't automatically make a speedster hit harder. It only makes a speedster hit harder, if the speedster is shown using it to hit harder.