AFI: Spider-Man 3

[Arcturus]

Oh I don't know.

 

[Silverstein]

Actually the bands you mentioned have hair styles that are done as their gig...You're saying Bangs=emo=bad. Which is stupid.

I guess if you hate britney spears, then no blonde female singer can ever be good, huh?

And anyway those of you that are still "anti-emo" ignored my question. How is something being "emo" a bad thing by definition? Because everyone else is on a war on emo? Way to be sheep.

I guess when a majority of stupid people were making fun of gay guys, you were anti-gay too? Because that was the thing to make fun of and despise, right?

Some of you have only heard one song, or not even one whole song by them are going eww they suck. Look at their hair, they suck. And this particular band often changes their style of music anyway. So if you heard December Underground, then that may not even sound like some of their older CDs.

Vindicated was a great song for SM2, but I guess because people say they are emo, the song now sucks.

 

[AnimeJune]

Actually the bands you mentioned have hair styles that are done as their gig...You're saying Bangs=emo=bad. Which is stupid.

I guess if you hate britney spears, then no blonde female singer can ever be good, huh?

And anyway those of you that are still "anti-emo" ignored my question. How is something being "emo" a bad thing by definition? Because everyone else is on a war on emo? Way to be sheep.

I guess when a majority of stupid people were making fun of gay guys, you were anti-gay too? Because that was the thing to make fun of and despise, right?

Some of you have only heard one song, or not even one whole song by them are going eww they suck. Look at their hair, they suck. And this particular band often changes their style of music anyway. So if you heard December Underground, then that may not even sound like some of their older CDs.

Vindicated was a great song for SM2, but I guess because people say they are emo, the song now sucks.

Wow - I believe there's an Internet Law out there concerning how the first person to suggest their opponent is a bigot automatically loses the argument. If anyone can remember the name of that, feel free to let me know.

Wow, so I don't like your music so I must be an anti-gay sheep, huh? I actually listened to their music, and I found it wanting. I disliked it. I actually hate bands that whine about how life is depressing and the world is a "black void" and about cutting themselves, and pretending they're vampires and crap. There are actual issues out there in the world, and you want to waste your time (and ours) screaming lyrics you wrote in your diary when you got rejected at Prom Night?

I found their music, and their overall image, to indicate that they are emo. Image, much as you may want to deny it, is often key to a performance - and rock stars are performers as much as they are musicians. There's a reason soft-rockers like Cold Play don't plaster themselves in KISS makeup and bands like KISS don't show up in jackets and ties.

AFI are emo. They play emo music, and their look corresponds to their music - EMO.

I do not like emo. I'm entitled to not like emo, and I allowed to be disgusted by bands that essentially whine to you about their problems to musical accompaniment instead of getting up off their asses and solving their problems.

You are entitled to like emo, for whatever reason you do - maybe you sympathize with them, maybe their music sounds like it sympathizes with you, maybe you listen to them drone about how life sucks and it makes you much happier to be a well-adjusted individual. "Gee, my life's peachy-keen in comparison!" Well fine.

I, for one, do not think it would be appropriate for Spider-Man. Spider-Man, you see, is a person whose life sucks, but who is always striving to remain cheerful and good-hearted despite his circumstances. Spider-Man doesn't sit around thinking the world is a place full of liars and posers - he goes out and fights crime.

Venom doesn't sit at home cutting himself, thinking no one understands - he goes out there and kicks ass and goes insane!

That's my view in a nutshell.

 

[Silverstein]

1.Wow - I believe there's an Internet Law out there concerning how the first person to suggest their opponent is a bigot automatically loses the argument. If anyone can remember the name of that, feel free to let me know.

2.Wow, so I don't like your music so I must be an anti-gay sheep, huh? I actually listened to their music, and I found it wanting. I disliked it. I actually hate bands that whine about how life is depressing and the world is a "black void" and about cutting themselves, and pretending they're vampires and crap. There are actual issues out there in the world, and you want to waste your time (and ours) screaming lyrics you wrote in your diary when you got rejected at Prom Night?

3.I found their music, and their overall image, to indicate that they are emo. Image, much as you may want to deny it, is often key to a performance - and rock stars are performers as much as they are musicians. There's a reason soft-rockers like Cold Play don't plaster themselves in KISS makeup and bands like KISS don't show up in jackets and ties.

4.AFI are emo. They play emo music, and their look corresponds to their music - EMO.

I do not like emo. I'm entitled to not like emo, and I allowed to be disgusted by bands that essentially whine to you about their problems to musical accompaniment instead of getting up off their asses and solving their problems.

5.You are entitled to like emo, for whatever reason you do - maybe you sympathize with them, maybe their music sounds like it sympathizes with you, maybe you listen to them drone about how life sucks and it makes you much happier to be a well-adjusted individual. "Gee, my life's peachy-keen in comparison!" Well fine.

6.I, for one, do not think it would be appropriate for Spider-Man. Spider-Man, you see, is a person whose life sucks, but who is always striving to remain cheerful and good-hearted despite his circumstances. Spider-Man doesn't sit around thinking the world is a place full of liars and posers - he goes out and fights crime.

Venom doesn't sit at home cutting himself, thinking no one understands - he goes out there and kicks ass and goes insane!

That's my view in a nutshell.

1. Loses? Wins? I didn't know it was a game. I thought the goal was trying to get the other person to understand not play some silly game of rules and such. But then again, who keeps score? Venom4Life?

2. How many sentances can you start with "wow"? Do I shock you that much. And good job being literal on me. I'm saying that just because something is "emo" does not mean it is bad. To make this simple for people who need it put in easy terms: "You can't just say 'No, it's emo' you have to explain why it would be a bad choice". And anyway if you're saying you don't want to hear a band because he's whinning about his problems, how is someone that "whines" about love or something any better? What would your suggestion be? If not for this, then what music do you listen to in general?


Why is it that when people are disagreeing they always sat things like "we" and "our"? Does it make it easier for you to disagree with me when you think you have a backing or support? Tell me that I've wasted your time, and I'll listen. "Our time" is far to general to be spouted out by one person, sorry.

3. Sure image makes the band. But music is an art in it's purest sense. And art can be used in many ways. Members of the band may be emo or dress in an emo style, and the fans may be emo...But the music itself has not made a sound of "whinning" or "complaining" not a sense of depression. And like I said, if you were actually reading my posts, I said that regardless of whether it was or not...It does not deny the skill of the band or how it could be used (as said above) as art.

4. I never said you had to like it. Like whatever you want. I was originally complaining over the fact that people were not discussing AFI, not the fact that they may or may not like it. As I said, I hate having threads hijacked. But now when people are saying bold things like they "suck", I'm defending it. Suck means talentless, and if you don't like something it doesn't mean it isn't good it just means it isn't your style or your thing. I hate peanut butter and I hate chocolate, but I realize that they have what it takes to be good. I can stand eating like two resseces (sp?). So it is with music. If you don't like something like rap, or like AFI, then you don't have to like it but don't say it sucks or it's bad because of the fact that it is what it is. Whatever that is.

I'd also like to mention that in my original post, did I mention anything emo? I was talking of the haunting nature of Venom's prescence.

5. I don't understand what you're trying to say at this point. Sorry about breaking your post down into numbers, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, but I thought it would be easier to respond to this way. But yeah anyway, I didn't understand what you were getting at here. Like were you trying to be sarcastic or something. Well that's fine, I don't have anything against you..If you were being sarcastic then obviously you're like getting heated at me or something. It's just music, Miss....I could careless if any music was used. I just want to see Spidey. Sure theatrical could work. I'm not arguing against it. But I also like cool themes. Like Vindicated was awesome. I also liked Hero the first 1,990 times I heard it. And I think AFI is underground enough to not make a difference if they do a Spidey song or not, but mainstream enough that people will know who they are. And yet, even still, IMO, I think they're talented enough to do well if they were offered the job.

6. Did you know which song I was talking about in this debate? If their are emo themes, not many would get them. And anyway remember when I said that music is art. Even if they are emo or do emo music, that has nothing to do with their skill as artist and if they are told to make a them song that captures the emotion of a movie, the artist will do so. If the movie is inspirational then they can do an inspirational song. If the movie is fast paced they can do that. I like Davey's voice...And I'd like to hear him do a song for SM3.

I didn't know that I had to type "IMO" or "I think" or "This is just my opinion", I thought that all of that was implied or obvious. But people constantly complain if I or someone else types their opinion without stating it as such. Well who's opinion is it, if not mine? Why would I make a post about what my cousin's friend's mother thinks? So I'm not trying to get you to like this band, okie dokie? I'm just stating what I think could work.

And all I wanted to do is stay on topic and stuff.

So look in the end, it's all Venom4Life's fault(for existing) and he should be burnt at a stake somewhere.

Can a mod please close this? I'd rather not have arguments instead of discussion and my points are just being missed or misunderstood for the most part.

 

[Menthol]

OMFG everything is emo now!!!!?!?!? WTf AFI isn't emo. If you listen to their music and knew what the songs were about you wouldn't hear anything emo. Sure, some of the songs can be emotional, but they're not "emo". I guess classical music is emo because some of it can make you cry, or feel other emotions....


Emotion does not equal emo, folks. Emo is this crappy label that everyone is attaching to everything. And EVEN IF you were right, even if that were true and they are this "emo" band, then what would that have to do with the quality of their music?

People don't know what they're talking about and "emo" is like what "gay" was to some. Instead of saying "dude, that's so gay" because it's politically incorrect, people are now saying "Screw that!! It's emo or something" When you should only speak of the quality instead of some stupid label that won't even exist in like 5 years. hell it didn't even really exist 5 years ago.

Dude, are you emo? Cuz you seem to be taking offenses to this. See thats the thing about emo kids. There always say they're something else, something that is much more profound, but all and all they're just sad and self-loathing. But God forbid you call'em emo. It's like calling black people the N word.

 

[Menthol]

That song would actually make a pretty good Venom song.

Nah, Venoms song needs to be a heavy THEATRICAL peice of the score. And if we can't have that I say something very evil and heavy, like Rob Zombie, or Canible Corpse, you know something that just screams Death and "I will eat your brains." But tht won't happen so, yeah, stick to the theatrical score.

 

[Silverstein]

Dude, are you emo? Cuz you seem to be taking offenses to this. See thats the thing about emo kids. There always say they're something else, something that is much more profound, but all and all they're just sad and self-loathing. But God forbid you call'em emo. It's like calling black people the N word.

I realize that you could have been using that as an example. But It's hardly "like calling black people the N word" because your implication is that they are. In that sense would be like if you said "It's like calling girls the B word." or "It's like calling chinese the C word." or "...asians the O word."

The "N" word you speak of is the word ******. And it's highly derogatory. It doesn't just mean "black", it is insulting and foolish to even bring up here. Because it has nothing to do with this, not even in example form.

And no, I'm not emo. I do love how you asked if I was emo and then went into a rant about it without me even answering. So what's the point of being in this conversation if you're just going to make assumptions?

Morg, help me!

 

[Iglius]

I can pretty much agree with that, except I don't want any Cannibal Corpse, or whatever. "Welcome to the Black Parade" just reminds me of him, and choosing songs for this movie has always been interesting for me, even though we're pretty much bound to get a theatrical score. So its just a hypothetical choice, something that some people simply fail to grasp.

 

[Silverstein]

Nah, Venoms song needs to be a heavy THEATRICAL peice of the score. And if we can't have that I say something very evil and heavy, like Rob Zombie, or Canible Corpse, you know something that just screams Death and "I will eat your brains." But tht won't happen so, yeah, stick to the theatrical score.

A theatrical score would be cool. But I love how you rag on my opinion, and disagree with other opinions but your ideas are the right choice, right? I mean because you're a sound designer. You know? You're a composer.

 

[Silverstein]

I can pretty much agree with that, except I don't want any Cannibal Corpse, or whatever. "Welcome to the Black Parade" just reminds me of him, and choosing songs for this movie has always been interesting for me, even though we're pretty much bound to get a theatrical score. So its just a hypothetical choice, something that some people simply fail to grasp.

Exactly. AFI almost 99.9% will not be chosen for the SM3 soundtrack. It's just a hypothetical selection.

 

[Menthol]

A theatrical score would be cool. But I love how you rag on my opinion, and disagree with other opinions but your ideas are the right choice, right? I mean because you're a sound designer. You know? You're a composer.

I'm not ragging on your opininon dude. Opinions are like bum holes, we all have one and they all stink. But AFI = Crap in my book and IMO would suck in a superhero flick. They're music makes me feel depressed and cold inside, like an emo kid and I hate that feeling.

 

[AnimeJune]

I'm not ragging on your opininon dude. Opinions are like bum holes, we all have one and they all stink. But AFI = Crap in my book and IMO would suck in a superhero flick. They're music makes me feel depressed and cold inside, like an emo kid and I hate that feeling.

Agreed! I don't think their music would be a good fit either.

See - I'm not saying they suck, Chinesefood (although they should fire their stylist - he obviously watches too much Evangelion), I'm saying their style of music wouldn't fit.

 

[Menthol]

Exactly! Let's just say whats going to happen, Raimi will use the theatrical score in the movie, and the rest of the crappy music will be saved for the Soundtrack that I won't buy.

 

[LuiECuomo]

Good point! As long as the film has a great theatrical score, we can keep miserable **** bands like AFI and My Chemical Romance OUT of the film and on the stupid soundtrack which really has nothing to do with the film anyway other than as a cheap money-maker. (Honestly, who listens to half the bands on those Spider-Man soundtracks? They're all TERRIBLE.)

 

[Asteroid-Man]

interesting...

 

[gambitfire]

I think Stone Sour

Through the Glass

Would be a nice Venom soundtrack song.

 

[Matt Murdock]

pointless thread....

 

[gambitfire]

Then don't post.

 

[Silverstein]

theres a thread on this (the sm3 song) already.

Hey buddy. This is what you said on the first page. So if it's a pointless thread why do you need to come back to further establish your point? I get it, now go away. And if this lasts 3 more pages will you return to delight everyone with your one sentance answers?

As for AnimeJune and Menthol, okay I misunderstood you two. I thought you were bad mouthing the band like LacunaCoil or whatever his name is over there.

 

[Menthol]

I think Stone Sour

Through the Glass

Would be a nice Venom soundtrack song.

I like that song, if we have no theatrical score with Venom's arrival then I guess that would work... I don't know if it's heavy enough tho. You should have the same feeling you had when you saw Darth Vader for the first time, when you see Venom for the first time. IMO

 

[Sean Adisano]

i like the previous theme songs alot, they went well with the movies. 'Hero" chad kroger (however you spell it) was a good song for spidey 1. it showed a hero being born and all. the 'Ordinary' by train for spidey 2. that was my favorite out of the two, and it went perfectly with the movie. peter was certain of who he was and was trying to balance out his life as peter parker and spider-man, perfect song.

now for spidey 3, it should of course be a little bit darker, since peter is darker in this. it should be a dark song full of confusion, because peter doesn't know whats happening. he's changing for the worse and he can't stop it. as for the song and who should do it i have no clue.

how about "Poor Twisted Me" by Metallica

awesome song and awesome group