Comics Age of Apocolypse

[comicbookfan85]

In AOA, why is Cyclops a bad guy. I thought he was a Boy scout or something. What made turn bad. Is Magma ever a good guy in the comics or has she been bad all the time? I'm confused.

I've been reading AOA and it's the best GN i have but I notice on the bottom of every other page or every page, it says in a small yellow box "see ______issue number Blank" does that mean I have read those comic also to fill in the missing info.

PLEASE explain thankx

 

[Harlekin]

Even in the mainstream reality, Cycke isn't always a boyscout. You should keep reading AoA though, since it explains why Cyclops is a bad guy in this reality. And yes, if you want the extra info referenced, you'll have to find those issues.

 

[Valechan]

THe Age of Apocolypse was such a drag, I preferred the Age of Apocalypse...

 

[Gilpesh]

Well Cyke is a bad guy in that reality because Prof X was never around to find him and train him as the good guy. So Sinister stepped in and trained Cyke as a 'bad guy' by making him think what he was doing was the right thing.

 

[Cyclops]

Bad guy, hmm? Hmm.

 

[XFanTim]

Keep reading.

Spoiler

As has been said, he was a "bad guy" because Sinister basically raised him to be. But, let's just say I have "bad guy" in quotes for a reason.

 

[comicbookfan85]

Oh Ok, I've almost finished reading AOA, I think it rocks hardcore, I'm not as a hard core fan of comics but slowly but surley i'm becoming one. I will keep reading.

 

[El Bastardo]

To answer your other question, about the issue footnotes, yes, you have to read those other issues.

AoA was a four month widespread mini. The basic idea was to read the first one-shot, "Alpha" (I think) - followed by all the issue 1s, then the issue 2s, 3s, and then 4s, and then end it with "Omega."

Different things happen in issues that are referenced in other issues.

Ah, the days when Marvel had cohesion.

 

[Alex Summers]

Was he a bad guy? Keep reading, as the others have suggested you do. Was his brother bad? No, I think he was more like a whiny little b****.

 

[Roughneck]

Now Beast. He was a sick bad **** in the AOA

 

[Gilpesh]

Now Beast. He was a sick bad **** in the AOA

You mean, AWESOME!

 

[ProfeZZor X]

My question is: If Iceman was use to being shattered throughout the entire story arc, and far more powerful than a lot of his team members, then why does he die all of a sudden when Colossus shatters him in the final issue (X-Men Omega)?

 

[XFanTim]

Warning: AOA death spoilers follow

My question is: If Iceman was use to being shattered throughout the entire story arc, and far more powerful than a lot of his team members, then why does he die all of a sudden when Colossus shatters him in the final issue (X-Men Omega)?

It made no sense. He gets blasted apart by Sentinels in the first issue of Amazing X-Men (or was it Astonishing?) and reconstitutes himself no problem, but he can't do it when Colossus smashes him?

Although it's possible he would have pulled himself back together eventually, and we just never got to see it. Although he wasn't around in the recent AOA ten-year anniversary miniseries. But you could argue the error was in that series, not in the orignial AOA.

There's another death in X-Men: Omega that makes even less sense -- Cyclops getting killed by Havok's blasts. He is and has always been immune to his brother's power. My "No-Prize" explanation is that maybe Beast or Sinister had amped up Havok's power with an experiment, to the point where he could hurt his brother.

A half-strength Magneto (he had supposedly burned out half his power trashing Apocalypse's ship in a previous issue) tearing Apocalypse in two was a bit questionable too -- but he gets points for the sheer badassery of it.

Gambit killing Colossus was also questionable. We've seen him survive a lot worse.

In spite of these "flaws", I still thought X-Men: Omega was a worthy finale to an excellent series.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

It made no sense. He gets blasted apart by Sentinels in the first issue of Amazing X-Men (or was it Astonishing?) and reconstitutes himself no problem, but he can't do it when Colossus smashes him?

Although it's possible he would have pulled himself back together eventually, and we just never got to see it. Although he wasn't around in the recent AOA ten-year anniversary miniseries. But you could argue the error was in that series, not in the orignial AOA...

I'm not too convinced that he just up and died either. That just goes to show how little Marvel writers pay attention to details, let alone read each others notes/work. I have a feeling that since there were multiple writers on this series, none of them bothered checking the continuity of the characters.
And in the first issue (X-Men Alpha), he's the one giving Magneto the warning about not having his death wish... Then Iceman is the one that dies in the end?..... What a load of crap.

A half-strength Magneto (he had supposedly burned out half his power trashing Apocalypse's ship in a previous issue) tearing Apocalypse in two was a bit questionable too -- but he gets points for the sheer badassery of it..

That was a pretty impressive feat coming from him. I just didn't see that coming.

Gambit killing Colossus was also questionable. We've seen him survive a lot worse..

I agree with you on that one. And the funny thing is, I still don't know how he died. Did Gambit charge Colossus' internal organs to explode on the inside? I only saw him touch Colossus, Colossus falls to his knees, changes back to flesh, and dies... What the hell was that?... Will somebody explain that to me?

In spite of these "flaws", I still thought X-Men: Omega was a worthy finale to an excellent series.

They just made everyone die too quickly for me. These are all super powered beings, and for them to die so quickly (in one issue) is a big jip.... Miraculously, Wolverine come out of it okay... As expected.

 

[Spectre722]

gambit charging colossus shouldn't have worked. gambit can only charge inorganic objects. sure colossus' skin is metal, but it's ORGANIC steel.

 

[Intheknow101]

gambit charging colossus shouldn't have worked. gambit can only charge inorganic objects. sure colossus' skin is metal, but it's ORGANIC steel.

Also Havok being able to kill Cyclops when they are immune to each other's powers.

 

[Harlekin]

Didn't Alex gun him down? Must be my way of making it logical.

 

[Intheknow101]

Didn't Alex gun him down? Must be my way of making it logical.

I thought he hit him with has plasma blast. I'll have to dig out the issues some time and see.

 

[Roughneck]

Altenate Reality.

Somehow the death of Xavier affected the physiology of the Summers Brothers.

Oh Beast Amped him up. I like that answer

 

[Wolverazio]

I thought he hit him with has plasma blast. I'll have to dig out the issues some time and see.

I read this somewhere...

They originally had Alex using a plasma blast, but then someone mentioned the fact that Havok and Cyke are immune to each others powers. So, they inserted a gun to make it so he shot him. But the gun was cut off by the crease in comics so it ended up looking like he used a plasma blast anyway.

So people came up with reasons like Beast amping them up, etc.

 

[Gilpesh]

Also didn't they say that Cyke was under arrest in the ten year continuation thing?

 

[El Bastardo]

I read this somewhere...

They originally had Alex using a plasma blast, but then someone mentioned the fact that Havok and Cyke are immune to each others powers. So, they inserted a gun to make it so he shot him. But the gun was cut off by the crease in comics so it ended up looking like he used a plasma blast anyway.

So people came up with reasons like Beast amping them up, etc.

Yes. One of the editors caught the mistake of Havok using his plasma on Cyke (OH MY GOD, A CASE WHERE A MARVEL EDITOR ACTUALLY DID HIS JOB ), and so a gun was inserted last minute, like Wolverazio above stated. But yeah, it was sloppy and cut off in the crease. I remember reading about that one too, just can't remember where.

As for Iceman... I always like to think of him as a casualty, but only because Omega was the finale. It's probably very much the case that he would have eventually brought himself back together. As for him not appearing in the Anniversary crap-series, well, consider that it was the Anniversary crap-series and really bad anyway. ~_~

I always thought Gambit had thrown his charged knives into Colossus's back. Of course, whether that would have worked is debatable, but it's just as debatable as to whether it wouldn't have worked, and thus pretty much up to personal interpretation. At least, I think so.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

gambit charging colossus shouldn't have worked. gambit can only charge inorganic objects. sure colossus' skin is metal, but it's ORGANIC steel.

Actually, it was never really brought up in this universe that indicated that he couldn't charge and explode flesh. Matter is matter, so I don't see any difference. And besides, there's a bit of a glow around Colossus after Gambit does what he does to him. But it doesn't seem likely that a knife in the lower back area killed him.... C'mon, it's Colossus people, how can this powerhouse be taken down as simple as that?

 

[El Bastardo]

We don't know that the AoA Colossus was some huge and giant powerhouse. Even if he's on the same power level as 616 Piotr, he's weaker than his Ultimate counterpart, and has been taken down. Just saying, not arguing.

If Gambit's knives were charged when hitting Colossus in the back, and were powerful enough to rip through the steel skin when exploding - it wouldn't kill him, correct, but as soon as he were to change back to flesh form, which he does, the wounds would begin to bleed. In which case, depending on how extensive the wounds were, it could mean paralyzation and/or organ damage.

And it has been said that Gambit's powers cannot affect flesh. Gambit can charge only inorganic matter, not organic matter (of which flesh is, of which Colossus's steel skin is).

 

[ProfeZZor X]

We don't know that the AoA Colossus was some huge and giant powerhouse. Even if he's on the same power level as 616 Piotr, he's weaker than his Ultimate counterpart, and has been taken down. Just saying, not arguing.

And it has been said that Gambit's powers cannot affect flesh. Gambit can charge only inorganic matter, not organic matter (of which flesh is, of which Colossus's steel skin is).

I've heard people referring to "616", and other numbered versions of characters, what exactly is that, where did it come from, and what does it mean? I understand the different universes from the past, but not the number signifigance...

So it was explained in AoA that Gambit couldn't charge flesh?