Comics Magneto & Age of Apocalypse

[Jubei.]

A couple of questions for you regarding Magneto and AoA:

1. Did you believe Magneto would reverse his beliefs just because of Xavier's sacrifice? Was Magneto in his radical stage when this happened?

2. Does Magneto ever show any of his old ways during AoA, or he is very much the noble mediator?

 

[Havok83]

well Magneto reversed his beliefs after Xavier nearly died in UXM 200, so it wasnt that much of a stretch to see him follow a similiar path in AoA

What old ones? Hatred towards humans? Humans were pretty much a minority in AoA and were a moot point. Mutants were the dominant species, like Magneto has traditionally always wanted. Problem was, there was too much corruption, chaos and devastation. It wasnt quite the utopia that 616 Mags has wanted. AoA Mags opposed it and fought to make the world a better place alongside the X-men. He didnt like what he was seeing around him

 

[Harlekin]

Besides, Mags' beliefs didn't do a total 180. He was still a much harder taskmaster than Xavier, and instilled some more ethically questionable values into his students. And it is also true that this was during a time in which Mags' beliefs hadn't fully formed yet, especially since he had only just met Xavier.

 

[El Bastardo]

I never even noticed this thread. Nonetheless, I must post!

The AoA Magneto was not a 180 from the 616 Magneto. As mentioned above, he was a very hard taskmaster, operating under the philosophy of having to push his students because they didn't have the luxury of time to train and be safe. Hence why we saw Iceman, for example, as we saw him - able to do huge amounts of things, but in a perpetual ice form.

Also, I think it can be debated that AoA Magneto didn't care about Xavier's DREAM so much as he cared about Xavier - as in, the friend who sacrificed himself to save Magneto's life. Forming the X-Men and fighting against Apocalypse's ruthless tyranny wasn't so much about saving humans and reaching peaceful coexistence (note: this is for Magneto, not any of the other X-Men), but more about preserving the memory of Xavier, which in a way involved the Dream. At that point, believing about it is moot. It's about the man, not the Dream itself.

Personally, I don't think AoA Magneto fought for Xavier's Dream. He saved humans so they didn't fall into the hands of Apocalypse's troops, yes. He fought Apocalypse, and I believe he cared more about beating Apocalypse and ending his reign than he did living peacefully alongside humans (10th Anniversary crap be damned). At the end of the day, AoA Magneto did what was right in a hell-torn world not out of allegiance of subscription to Xavier's Dream and philosophy, but because it's what Xavier would have done, and in turn Magneto did out of homage to his friend.

 

[OutcryX]

I never even noticed this thread. Nonetheless, I must post!

The AoA Magneto was not a 180 from the 616 Magneto. As mentioned above, he was a very hard taskmaster, operating under the philosophy of having to push his students because they didn't have the luxury of time to train and be safe. Hence why we saw Iceman, for example, as we saw him - able to do huge amounts of things, but in a perpetual ice form.

Also, I think it can be debated that AoA Magneto didn't care about Xavier's DREAM so much as he cared about Xavier - as in, the friend who sacrificed himself to save Magneto's life. Forming the X-Men and fighting against Apocalypse's ruthless tyranny wasn't so much about saving humans and reaching peaceful coexistence (note: this is for Magneto, not any of the other X-Men), but more about preserving the memory of Xavier, which in a way involved the Dream. At that point, believing about it is moot. It's about the man, not the Dream itself.

Personally, I don't think AoA Magneto fought for Xavier's Dream. He saved humans so they didn't fall into the hands of Apocalypse's troops, yes. He fought Apocalypse, and I believe he cared more about beating Apocalypse and ending his reign than he did living peacefully alongside humans (10th Anniversary crap be damned). At the end of the day, AoA Magneto did what was right in a hell-torn world not out of allegiance of subscription to Xavier's Dream and philosophy, but because it's what Xavier would have done, and in turn Magneto did out of homage to his friend.

hot dayum..i agree 199% with you, ya bastard!

 

[AgainstMe!!!]

A couple of questions for you regarding Magneto and AoA:

1. Did you believe Magneto would reverse his beliefs just because of Xavier's sacrifice? Was Magneto in his radical stage when this happened?

2. Does Magneto ever show any of his old ways during AoA, or he is very much the noble mediator?

No idea

 

[El Bastardo]

hot dayum..i agree 199% with you, ya bastard!

It was bound to happen eventually!

 

[Harlekin]

I never even noticed this thread. Nonetheless, I must post!

The AoA Magneto was not a 180 from the 616 Magneto. As mentioned above, he was a very hard taskmaster, operating under the philosophy of having to push his students because they didn't have the luxury of time to train and be safe. Hence why we saw Iceman, for example, as we saw him - able to do huge amounts of things, but in a perpetual ice form.

Also, I think it can be debated that AoA Magneto didn't care about Xavier's DREAM so much as he cared about Xavier - as in, the friend who sacrificed himself to save Magneto's life. Forming the X-Men and fighting against Apocalypse's ruthless tyranny wasn't so much about saving humans and reaching peaceful coexistence (note: this is for Magneto, not any of the other X-Men), but more about preserving the memory of Xavier, which in a way involved the Dream. At that point, believing about it is moot. It's about the man, not the Dream itself.

Personally, I don't think AoA Magneto fought for Xavier's Dream. He saved humans so they didn't fall into the hands of Apocalypse's troops, yes. He fought Apocalypse, and I believe he cared more about beating Apocalypse and ending his reign than he did living peacefully alongside humans (10th Anniversary crap be damned). At the end of the day, AoA Magneto did what was right in a hell-torn world not out of allegiance of subscription to Xavier's Dream and philosophy, but because it's what Xavier would have done, and in turn Magneto did out of homage to his friend.

Yep, that's it pretty much.

 

[Valechan]

I think 295-Mags understood that killing every living thing wasn't the way to go. Apocalypse just wanted to kill everyone, he wasn't about Mutant Supremacy, he just used mutants to become ruler of the world. Mags just fought against that sort of thing because, even though he believes in mutant supremacy, he's not a killer, he would not destroy all of humanity just to ensure mutant's safety... it was seen in HOM didn't it? Sapiens were allowed to exist as a lower race, they weren't hunt and exterminated just because they were sapiens...

 

[El Bastardo]

That doesn't mean the AoA Magneto and HoM Magneto (who essentially acted as Wanda wanted him to to exist in her perfect family) are the same.

AoA Apocalypse was indeed about mutant supremacy. And he was very much about his Darwinist view of Survival of the Fittest. Humans were not fit to survive in his world order. Hence the concentration and culling camps. Nor were mutants who did a piss-poor job of proving themselves. Enemies or allies.

Magneto fought against that because it was right, yeah, but out of duty to the memory of his fallen friend, like I wrote above. If you can't see that... well read through AoA again. Look at where their home base is, look at how he talks to Bishop. AoA Magneto had a major Xavier-memorial-complex. Mutant-human peaceful coexistence didn't factor into his way of thinking at all. It was always about Apocalypse.

 

[Valechan]

I 'm not denying the Xavier worship, I'm just saying that if Xavier hadn't met him and he had died, MAgneto would still would have fought against Apocalypse...