Superman Returns AICN has an early review!

[skruloos]

We know how he left it with Lois. He didn't. In the trailer, her first question: "Why did you leave?" He didn't tell her anything. He just left.

And it depends on the specific circumstances.

Well, thank God that the governments of most developed countries disagree with you.

Good for them.

That's the whole physical purpose of sex, is it not? If he wasn't trying, don't you think protection would have been involved, or he would have the self-control not to do the act?

No. Because love makes you do stupid things.

Naive and flawed does not mean morally bankrupt.

And I don't think his actions were morally bankrupt.

I know about Superman's character. I don't want to see him deal with these types of issues. I have, you know, the REAL WORLD for that kind of stuff.

Yes. Which is why they don't explore the reality of irresponsibility of unprotected sex or being an absentee father.

I don't want to relate to Superman. I want to be inspired by him.

Good for you.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Good for you.

I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to have an intelligent, reasoned debate on this issue. If you do, please don't respond to my posts with simplistic, childish rejoinders such as above. They make you look far less intelligent than, I must assume, you are.

 

[gdw]

LOL, I just realised that not only did he have sex with her with out telling her who he really is, so basically still lying, letting her believe he is not some one he is well sleeping with her, and not only left, but would have done so within a month of sleeping with her.

Any later and she would have started to get n inkliong that she as pregnent and certainly would have brought it to his attention.

Seriously, who sleeps with someone you consider to be the love of your life, and thenleaves on a several year trip with no goobye or even letting them know you were thinking even aboutr going somewhere.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Apparently, Superman! That's who!

 

[skruloos]

I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to have an intelligent, reasoned debate on this issue. If you do, please don't respond to my posts with simplistic, childish rejoinders such as above. They make you look far less intelligent than, I must assume, you are.

There's really nothing to debate about it, is there? You see it as fundamentally bankrupt of him. I do not. I'd understand if we were talking about something that could be reasoned with academically. But this is not one of those instances.

To me, Superman making the mistake of leaving while Lois is pregnant does not make him morally bankrupt. How he handles finding out about Lois having the child and the child being his, however, shows everything in his character. If he turns out to turn his back on the kid and Lois, then yes, I'd agree he was a deadbeat. But if he made a mistake and left, returned to find the kid and then admit his mistakes, take responsibility for them and the child, then I find that every bit as honorable.

 

[MatchesMalone]

We'll see in 2 months.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Matches, another piece that I think is better than your sig:

"I can only imagine the horror of having to bear witness to those interpretations," Burns says. "I will probably be killed for this, but I did see a still of Nic Cage dressed in the black Spandex suit with a big silver `S' and long, stringy rock-musician hair ... it is an image of such macabre, gothic horror.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...geid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1146914527706

 

[sf2]

...But if he made a mistake and left, returned to find the kid and then admit his mistakes, take responsibility for them and the child, then I find that every bit as honorable.

how? by putting away his cape, be a good father taking good care of his kid?

is that what you want???

and don't give me the crap that he still can be the hero while taking care of his kid.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Oh, ouch. sf2 brings up a very significant point. I mean, that's the only way Alan Moore resolved his story.

 

[chi-boy]

I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to have an intelligent, reasoned debate on this issue. If you do, please don't respond to my posts with simplistic, childish rejoinders such as above. They make you look far less intelligent than, I must assume, you are.

Well, most of your points were just your own personal nerd opinions. There's really no way he can argue those. It's not like he was talking down to you.

 

[skruloos]

how? by putting away his cape, be a good father taking good care of his kid?

is that what you want???

and don't give me the crap that he still can be the hero while taking care of his kid.

Why not? People don't stop being policemen or firemen. It's not like he's a single father. And Lois doesn't really NEED to worry about him getting shot on duty. He wouldn't necessarily be a single father, now would he?

 

[MatchesMalone]

Well, most of your points were just your own personal nerd opinions. There's really no way he can argue those. It's not like he was talking down to you.

My personal, nerd opinions on absentee fathers? I wager I know more on that subject than you do, chi-boy. I deal with it every day at work.

 

[chi-boy]

My personal, nerd opinions on absentee fathers? I wager I know more on that subject than you do, chi-boy. I deal with it every day at work.

Um, good for you? What does that have to do with Superman?

 

[Sverdlovski]

Why not? People don't stop being policemen or firemen. It's not like he's a single father. And Lois doesn't really NEED to worry about him getting shot on duty. He wouldn't necessarily be a single father, now would he?

The big problem with this is his enemies finding out he has a son. It'll be his weak spot. That's why he broke up with Lois in the first place. The very fact that he is returning to our world and to Lois' life is a problem.

I believe Superman should be a loner.

 

[chi-boy]

The big problem with this is his enemies finding out he has a son. It'll be his weak spot. That's why he broke up with Lois in the first place. The very fact that he is returning to our world and to Lois' life is a problem.

I believe Superman should be a loner.

Dude, the movie ends with him not telling anyone that it is his son. Don't worry.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Um, good for you? What does that have to do with Superman?

Apparently, thanks to Singer, entirely too much.

 

[Sverdlovski]

I know you are being sarcastic, but that's not the only problem I have with this kid.

 

[skruloos]

The big problem with this is his enemies finding out he has a son. It'll be his weak spot. That's why he broke up with Lois in the first place. The very fact that he is returning to our world and to Lois' life is a problem.

I believe Superman should be a loner.

That's always the dramatic challenge for the character. Yes, in an ideal world Superman should be a loner but he feels like a human and longs for personal connections. That's the balance of the character.

 

[chi-boy]

Apparently, thanks to Singer, entirely too much.

Calm down and don't take it so personally. Forget about your problems and quit complaining, and let those with father problems who aren't *****es enjoy the movie. If you can't handle the premise then don't go outside, 'cuz there's alot worse out there and real life isn't a movie. Grow up. Man, you're acting like the little kid who didn't get the toy and has to ruin everyone else's fun.

 

[Sverdlovski]

That's always the dramatic challenge for the character. Yes, in an ideal world Superman should be a loner but he feels like a human and longs for personal connections. That's the balance of the character.

Yes, he wants to, but he can't. Sadly in this movie he will.

And BTW, am I the only one that thought the trailer for the Superman documentary was trying to 'justify' Superman having a kid in Superman Returns ?

 

[sf2]

Dude, the movie ends with him not telling anyone that it is his son. Don't worry.

you do know it is even worst if the movie ends with him passing his kid back to lois & richard and pretending he still can be the world champion, do you?

 

[chi-boy]

you do know it is even worst if the movie ends with him passing his kid back to lois & richard and pretending he still can be the world champion, do you?

no, because like someone said above, revealing his true heritage could endanger the boy. and maybe he's better off with lois and richard, than with a dad who's always off fighting crime. Superman can't even handle a relationship with Lois, how is he supposed to deal with a kid? It's the same thing as a teenage mother putting her kid up for adoption, because she knows she can't support it. Yes, Superman might have made a mistake, and maybe it pains him to leave his kid (btw, the only other one like him, if he gains his powers), but it's probably in the best interest of the kid. In the end, it shows that Superman is not selfish, because we all know a guy like Superman would want to spend time with his son.

 

[chi-boy]

Yes, he wants to, but he can't. Sadly in this movie he will.

And BTW, am I the only one that thought the trailer for the Superman documentary was trying to 'justify' Superman having a kid in Superman Returns ?

Oops, he did in the first two as well. I remember him turning back time to save Lois, and then losing his powers to be with her.

 

[Sverdlovski]

you do know it is even worst if the movie ends with him passing his kid back to lois & richard and pretending he still can be the world champion, do you?

On the contrary, if he acts like "hey kid, this guy that took care of your mommy and you during all your life, this guy that treated you like a son, this guy you called your father... he is not really your father, I am. So now, Me, your mommy and you will constitute a nice family. Now, go play with your piano" it will be disatrous.

The person who takes cares of you is your parent, not the person that only gave birth to you. Richard is the kid's father, even if it's not biologically.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Oops, he did in the first two as well. I remember him turning back time to save Lois, and then losing his powers to be with her.

Which had catastrophic consequences...