AIG spends Bailout $ on bonuses

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It's a long read, I know. But the short of it is, after getting a $180 billion bailout from the government, the insurance company, AIG gives $165 million of that bailout money to its executives as bonuses, the very executives who were responsible for AIG having the highest quarterly loses in the US's history.

WTF?!?!



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WASHINGTON — Congress will try to get back some of the $165 million that insurance giant AIG paid to executives who drove the company into financial ruin before it was rescued by a government bailout, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said Tuesday.

Reid said the chairman of the tax-writing Senate Finance Committee will issue a proposal in the next day or so that would require American International Group to return to the government at least a portion of the bonuses paid out last week.

Also Tuesday, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee blasted Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

"What I want to ask, where was the secretary of the Treasury?" Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby asked CBS's The Early Show. "Where was Treasury before this money was paid out? Why did not Treasury step in and let the American people know, just try to block it?"

AIG has received about $170 billion in federal bailout money over the last year, prompting populist anger and outrage from President Obama and members of Congress in both parties.

On Monday, Obama ordered Geithner to "pursue every legal avenue" to get the money back.

"How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?" Obama demanded of the company that last month posted the largest corporate quarterly loss in history, $61.7 billion.

Obama's scolding of AIG came after his top economic advisers — Geithner, White House chief economist Christina Romer and Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council — also blasted AIG over its doling out bonus checks ranging from $1,000 to $6.5 million to executives after accepting up to $180 billion in government bailout money.

The criticism reflected not just the rising anger over the bonuses, but also the question the flap poses for the president and Congress: how to continue with plans to rescue the economy — which could include billions more dollars in taxpayer money to shore up banks and other interests — in the face of growing public disgust with corporate America.

It will be difficult political terrain for a president already confronted with crippling job losses, a credit crunch, a home foreclosure crisis and a shaky stock market whose decline has been an assault on Americans' savings and investments.

On Monday, AIG was threatened with subpoena by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo. He demanded details about which executives would get the bonus money as part of an investigation by his office into whether the payments violated state law. Most of the money is going to executives in the unit that sold risky credit default swaps, the contracts that caused huge losses for the insurance company.

AIG CEO Edward Liddy, who had no comment Monday, will be in Washington on Wednesday to appear before a House subcommittee on capital markets in what is likely to be a contentious hearing. In an explanation of the bonus plan delivered to Geithner on Saturday, AIG said the bonus contracts were struck for 400 workers a year ago when the division they worked for was "expected to have a significant, ongoing role at AIG."

In a recent conversation, "I told him his actions were going to threaten the possibility that we could get additional money that is necessary to save the economy," said Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., chairman of the subcommittee. "It's going to be very difficult. …The American people don't know what to believe about all of this, and neither do I."

Rep. Gary Peters, D-Mich., introduced legislation to try to stop the payments. He called them "a raid on taxpayer dollars."

David Axelrod, Obama's senior adviser, said the president will "have to move thoughtfully down a couple of tracks" to reassure the public. "The American people need to know why it's important that we maintain a functioning system of credit. But the people in the financial sector need to finally get the message that reckless risk-taking and greed are not values that anyone's going to embrace."

In Washington, New York and beyond Monday, the criticism over the AIG bonuses was swift:

• In New York, where AIG is based, Cuomo sent Liddy a letter threatening to issue subpoenas by 4 p.m. Monday if AIG did not provide the names of the executives getting bonuses under what the company called its "retention plan."

Cuomo demanded each person's job description and performance report, contracts obligating AIG to pay the bonuses, and the names of those who developed the retention plan. The amounts of the bonuses and the number of people getting them have not been made public.

"Covering up the details of these payments breeds further cynicism and distrust in our already shaken financial system," Cuomo said in the letter.

At 5:01 p.m., AIG spokeswoman Christina Pretto released a statement that said, "We are in ongoing contact with the attorney general and will respond appropriately to the subpoena."

• In Congress, leaders from both parties accused AIG of using public money to fatten executives' bank accounts and encouraged the Obama administration to do everything in its power to kill the bonuses.

"It is my hope that the administration gets the message from the taxpayers on this issue," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said. "Going forward, the American people need to have complete certainty that taxpayer money is not wasted in this way again."

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, called on Obama to issue an "exit plan" from the government's "sweeping involvement in private business."

And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said AIG executives "whose irresponsible risk-taking brought our financial system to the brink of collapse" should voluntarily forgo their "excessive retention payments."

• Outrage dominated the day on blogs, cable news and radio talk shows.

"AIG Hits The Tipping Point," read a huge headline on the left-leaning The Huffington Post.

"Rewarding Failure," the right-leaning Drudge Report said.

"Can capitalism survive the behavior of some capitalists?" conservative strategist Bill Kristol asked in a Washington Post blog.

AIG cites contract for bonuses

In a letter to Geithner sent with the explanation of the bonuses, AIG's Liddy said that he, too, had found the bonuses "distasteful." But he said contracts for them were negotiated long before he was asked by the government to take over the troubled insurer in September.

Since that time, the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve have pledged up to $180 billion in aid to AIG, giving the government a nearly 80% stake in the company. That aid includes loans from the Fed and $40 billion in purchases of the company's stock out of the $700 billion financial rescue plan passed by Congress last year.

Company executives who receive money from the financial rescue plan are subject to compensation limits after legislation was signed into law in February.

Liddy told Geithner the bonuses were negotiated in early 2008 and "outside counsel has advised that these are legal, binding obligations of AIG, and there are serious legal, as well as business, consequences for not paying."

He said he is not taking a bonus for his work and the company is "committed to seeking other ways to repay the American taxpayers" for the bonus payments.

He added that there's more at stake than the prospect of having to spend more money to settle potential lawsuits by executives seeking unpaid bonuses. Liddy said that although he said he found it "difficult," AIG had to keep its contract to pay the bonuses because "honoring contractual commitments is at the heart of what we do in the insurance business."

AIG is scheduled to pay another $230 million in bonuses to employees in March 2010, according to a letter from Federal Reserve Bank of New York President William Dudley to Liddy on Friday.

AIG expects the amount to be smaller because of employee departures and the reduction of the financial products unit, Dudley said. "You have committed to aggressively pursue alternatives for reducing and restructuring" the 2010 bonus program, Dudley wrote to the company.

'I'm losing patience'

Bruce Ellig, author of The Complete Guide to Executive Compensation, said AIG probably is contractually obligated to pay the bonuses. "This is a very good reason why companies should be very careful in such contracts," he said. "They should include an escape clause for bona fide reasons, such as when the company loses money."

Tim Haidinger, president of the website WhatAreTheyPaid.com, said companies must have compensation packages that include bonuses, stock options, and retirement benefits to be competitive. "Sadly these packages often seem completely detached from company performance," he said.

Other companies, including Citibank, also have been taken to task for doling out executive bonuses after receiving federal bailout money.

AIG has faced criticism on other counts as well, including for having a sales meeting at a luxury resort in Phoenix after taking public funds. And lawmakers have argued for months that the company should be more open about what it was doing with the government money.

On Sunday, the insurance firm for the first time announced who it was paying to settle its debts with the funds, an array of major firms that include Merrill Lynch and Bank of America.

"I'm losing patience with the whole operation," said Kanjorski, the subcommittee chairman who will grill Liddy this week.

Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J., the senior Republican on the panel, said the bonuses raise questions about what the Fed knew when it decided to prop up AIG. He said lawmakers will have to raise those same questions when they are presented with future proposed bailouts.

That skepticism could spill over onto Obama's agenda. Next month, he is expected to propose a detailed budget that will propose spending that will lead to a $1.75 trillion deficit in the name of ending the recession. He also wants to overhaul the nation's health care system.

Those ambitious goals could be threatened if Congress rejects more heavy spending.

William Black, a senior bank regulator during the 1980s savings and loan crisis, said Obama needs to be honest about the depth of the financial crisis to restore trust in government. "The way you build public confidence is to find the truth, tell people about the truth," he said.

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said that's already Obama's strong suit. "He's not going to sugarcoat it," he said.
 
It is not as simple as that because I hope you realise that the amount includes bonus payments to junior staff as well and is an imprtant part of their package.

I can tell you when I started out as an analyst in Citgroup (ie Salomon Smith Barney), the bonus check accounted for a large percentage of my annual income and given the hours I put in (>100 per week), it was only fair.
 
Did you even read the article?

"...the National Economic Council also blasted AIG over its doling out bonus checks ranging from $1,000 to $6.5 million to executives after accepting up to $180 billion in government bailout money.

AIG is scheduled to pay another $230 million in bonuses to employees in March 2010, according to a letter from Federal Reserve Bank of New York President William Dudley to Liddy on Friday.

Bruce Ellig, author of The Complete Guide to Executive Compensation, said AIG probably is contractually obligated to pay the bonuses. "This is a very good reason why companies should be very careful in such contracts," he said. "They should include an escape clause for bona fide reasons, such as when the company loses money."

Tim Haidinger, president of the website WhatAreTheyPaid.com, said companies must have compensation packages that include bonuses, stock options, and retirement benefits to be competitive. "Sadly these packages often seem completely detached from company performance," he said...."




Also, I realize this should go into the Politics Forum...my bad.
 
This "Bonuses" are apart of their Salary. This is how they get paid.

AND, these "bonuses" are 1/10th of 1% of the entire Bailout. There are much more absurd things to complain about. This is nothing worry about.

I can't understand why it is such a big deal that bonuses, with are contractually obligated, are given. We want these companies to turn around. To get off the public trough. So, how can we expect them to do that if we run out of all the quality staff? Would you work your ass off to get this corporation to turn around for no pay? No, of course not, you will go somewhere else, to a different company to get paid. Leaving AIG to never turn around and fail. And our "investment" into the company to be lost with it.

I applaude them. Get Qualified people in there. Lets start complain on how our Government wastes our money instead of Private Businesess trying to fix their ills.
 
This is exactly why I don't agree with bailing out companies.:down:
 
Also, if the Government is going to change the Contracts so these Contractually Obligated Bonuses are given, that is Unconstitutional. The Government is not allowed to change Contracts between 2 private entities. AND what is more dangerous, a Government that can set how much many you make, or a Company trying to survive with quality staff?
 
So only Carpet Baggers are quality staff? I'm sure there are enough competent executives and businessmen who have integrity who can take these jobs.


Don't act like throwing out ethics is the only way to have gifted businessmen.


:thing: :doom: :thing:
 
Also, if the Government is going to change the Contracts so these Contractually Obligated Bonuses are given, that is Unconstitutional. The Government is not allowed to change Contracts between 2 private entities. AND what is more dangerous, a Government that can set how much many you make, or a Company trying to survive with quality staff?
"quality staff"? Oh, you mean the employees that helpped AIG lose over 60 billion dollars in one quarter?

Yeah, deffinatly gotta reward the "quality" staff.
 
Ok, you can work for Company X that you can make what ever you can. No Limit what so ever.

Or, you can work for Company B, that took bailout money, that is under the scrutiny of the Government and the Media, that says they will limit you on how much you can get paid. How you can travel, where you can take a vacation, where you stay when you are on vacation, and how you get there. They scrutinize you on where you have business dealings, cap your wage, and force you to testify infront of them and the cameras whenever they feel like being hard asses in front of their Dumb Masses of a constituency?

Who would you rather work for?

Sky's the limit or the wrath of the political class?
 
"quality staff"? Oh, you mean the employees that helpped AIG lose over 60 billion dollars in one quarter?

Yeah, deffinatly gotta reward the "quality" staff.
You can prove that the people that earned the bonuses are the ones that steered the company to get bail outs in the first place?
 
How about having fixed salaries and getting rid of this "bonus" business.
 
You are all also failing to realize that the money given to AIG is TAX PAYER money. They're taking OUR money and tossing it to THIER EMPLOYEES. Its bad enough you gotta pay AIG directly for their services (if you have them), but now you're also paying for their bonuses too.

IMO, all that bailout money should not have been given to just companies that are screwing themselves over. Some of it should have gone to us as well (not including the pathetic excuse for stimulus checks).
 
He doesn't have to prove anything. The company flat out sucked. It lost money, was foolishly given money for their failure, and that failure is rewarded.

The logic of the government and the company is non-existent
 
You are all also failing to realize that the money given to AIG is TAX PAYER money. They're taking OUR money and tossing it to THIER EMPLOYEES. Its bad enough you gotta pay AIG directly for their services (if you have them), but now you're also paying for their bonuses too.

IMO, all that bailout money should not have been given to just companies that are screwing themselves over. Some of it should have gone to us as well (not including the pathetic excuse for stimulus checks).
How would you keep employees that are doing a good job? What would your plan be?

Why don't we force all Welfare recipients to not have any luxury? They are on the Tax Payer Dime. I propose that anyone that has ever recieved a welfare check shouldn't have cell phones, or a dvd player, a tv or anything else that is a luxury, right? Not until they pay back the Tax Payers, right?
 
Why don't we force all Welfare recipients to not have any luxury? They are on the Tax Payer Dime. I propose that anyone that has ever recieved a welfare check shouldn't have cell phones, or a dvd player, a tv or anything else that is a luxury, right? Not until they pay back the Tax Payers, right?

Sounds good to me. :up:

If you're on welfare, you shouldnt be spending what little money you have a frivolous things. Get off your couch, quit making babies you can't afford to raise and get a damn job, whatever the hell it is.


(and yes, I am not ignorant to the fact that there are people who are justly on welfare: disabilities, etc).
 
Also, if the Government is going to change the Contracts so these Contractually Obligated Bonuses are given, that is Unconstitutional. The Government is not allowed to change Contracts between 2 private entities. AND what is more dangerous, a Government that can set how much many you make, or a Company trying to survive with quality staff?

Then the government should not have given them any money in the first place. If the business was making its own money, you are right, but they are being given money by the government, and that changes things.
 
You are talking less than .1% of the actual money given AIG. Don't let the media influence you, read up on the facts.
 
You are talking less than .1% of the actual money given AIG. Don't let the media influence you, read up on the facts.

You're right. And AIG deserved nothing but wooden nickels instead of being bailed out
 
I just don't agree with the whole bruhaha about the "bonuses" which aren't really bonuses per se, we should be more concerned on about the rest of the money is going.

That's why I wasn't on board with this whole stimulus package, almost just like throwing money at everything where they should have put some sort measures in order to keep companies accountable to what they were using the money for.
 
Don't worry, Obama and Geithner is going to spend 30 billion to recover a couple hundred million. This will certainly not fail. :funny:
Monday afternoon, a White House official said the Treasury Department will use a planned $30 billion infusion into AIG to compel the company to repay the bonuses promised to employees of its financial-products group, which is responsible for selling the exotic financial instruments that brought the company to near-collapse.

The infusion, announced March 2, won’t be finalized until the company and the Treasury work up repayment options, the official said. The bonuses to the financial-products division were “found to be completely unacceptable given that AIG is already surviving on taxpayer funds,” the official said.
Yes, while Obama pumps billions of dollars into these insolvent institutions, you guys get pissed at a a couple million in bonuses. We all certainly have our priorities straightened huh?
 
The danger here is that the government must allow the business to operate on their own policies and procedures. If the government starts dicating rules and regulations to companies who accept bail-out money that is necessary for their survival then those companies in a sense are being "bought" by the government.

The government has to realize that just because they made an offer of money to AIG they did not purchase AIG stock and therefore are not entitled to make decisions. If they don't want companies to use their money in a certain way they should not have made an offer to give them money.

Ok, you can work for Company X that you can make what ever you can. No Limit what so ever.



Or, you can work for Company B, that took bailout money, that is under the scrutiny of the Government and the Media, that says they will limit you on how much you can get paid. How you can travel, where you can take a vacation, where you stay when you are on vacation, and how you get there. They scrutinize you on where you have business dealings, cap your wage, and force you to testify infront of them and the cameras whenever they feel like being hard asses in front of their Dumb Masses of a constituency?



Who would you rather work for?



Sky's the limit or the wrath of the political class?

This is totally true from a business standpoint. Many people will say, "Well they should just be happy to HAVE jobs" but remember that the job market is low for people in the lower-middle -- upper-middle classes, not rich executives. If AIG ceases to operate as a normal business there will be an unaviodable problem. AIG cannot really afford a high attrition rate of it's employees at this time because the cost of preparing new people to take their place would simply be too high.

What AIG has to do is cut costs without cutting employee benefits, if they start to cut benefits and bonuses they will lose too many people that are really too valuable for an effect business.
 
How is "Doing a good job" going to make these employees stay there instead of going and finding other work?
They should go ahead and leave. Selling insurance has high turnover rates, and for every person that leaves there's about 20 or so waiting to replace them
 

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