Let's talk about Czars

[Addendum]

The advisers don't have the final say. Plus, depending on what is being discussed the president also hears from the other parties involved.

 

[Kelly]

ok...

 

[Addendum]

I mean, if I ask you for advice on a particular thing, I'm not beholden to use your advice. Nor if I ask others for theirs.

 

[Kelly]

I question the judgment of his choices.....which was a problem I had before I voted for him, so these choices do make me question my judgment as well.

 

[Addendum]

Well, there you go. You voted for him

I voted for Christopher Walken

 

[Kelly]

Van Jones Resigns

 

[Paradoxium]

"Community activist" ugh. Not another. I think that is worse than being a truther.

 

[Kelly]

After looking at some of Obamas other choices, I don't see a major problem.....but this Van Jones dude, had no business anywhere near the White House, and I was really surprised at his selection. I think its a positive that he has resigned.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

You don't see a major problem? Here's just one: Paul Volocker. Here's a guy who formerly ran the Federal Reserve, and that's the guy who is "advising" on economic recovery? The guy who ran a criminal organization that brought us to this crisis in the first place is going to advise us how to get out of it? Do people not understand what the Federal Reserve does?

On top of that, the guy was a member of the Council of Foreign Relations, Bilderburg Group and Trilateral Commission. And he's not alone. The executive branch is FULL of these people, in every administration, not just Obama's. Presidents come and go, but members of these exclusive groups rotate in and out of government in every administration, replacing past members. It's like a revolving door of bankers and the financial hierarchy. Guys like Richard Haas (president of the CFR), Alan Greenspan, Henry Kissinger, Geithner (past president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York). Are you ****ing kidding me? Not a major problem? Van Jones is the LEAST of the problems.

 

[Kelly]

After looking at some of Obamas other choices, I don't see a major problem....

I just don't have the time at the moment to debate about the others....

So, no I'm not ****ing kidding you.......I'm sure others will debate what they see as problems, and when I have the time I will do as well.....

Chill out.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

Hahaha when you have time? All you had to do was read, on the very first page, (which I'm assuming you did since you POSTED IT), the following to realize this.

Paul Volocker- Economic Czar
Former Federal Reserve chairman (1979-1987)

Hmm that doesn't sound right.

 

[Paradoxium]

Volcker's high interest rates actually flushed out some malinvestments. Which of course they are not doing now. And he did actually confess in a hearing that there are problems with the monetary system.

Geithner and Summers are who I am more concerned with. For starters Geithner was a derivatives cheerleader. And recently the laughing stock of the Chinese.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

I agree, you want to talk about people that shouldn't be near the White House, Geithner is one of the prime examples. This guy used to be President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. He was one of the driving forces behind the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. And now he's the Secretary of the Treasury? I hate to sound monotonous, but do people really understand how insane and totally backwards that is?

But it's a tough balancing act I guess. Where to focus, where to focus, some guy who was a communist and questioned the government on 9/11, or the kinds of corrupt evil people largely responsible for the way the world is right now. That's a tough one. Better make sure I set some time out one day to maybe look into that, just maybe. But there may be too much "breaking news" on Michael Jackson still being dead or [insert name here] still missing or Larry King is going to have on Chris Brown and Rhianna, so it may have to wait.

 

[Paradyme]

Democratic Senator Takes White House to Task Over 'Czars'
Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said Congress needs to know whether some of the czars make policy but have no obligation to submit to congressional questioning.

WASHINGTON — A liberal Democratic senator questioned the roles of Obama administration policy "czars" Tuesday, but the White House denied it is using these officials to evade congressional scrutiny.

Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said Congress needs to know whether some of the czars make policy but have no obligation to submit to congressional questioning.

While the Obama administration is hardly the first to name high-level advisers to handle issues like health care and climate change, Feingold said, "It's not good enough to simply say, 'Well, George Bush did it too.'"

Prior to a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing that featured academic experts, Feingold released a letter from White House counsel Gregory Craig that defended the officials.

Craig said some presidents have used such special advisers, or czars, to undermine Congress, but "that is simply not the case in the current administration."

Feingold also was critical of the administration for declining to send a witness to the hearing.

"The White House decided not to accept my invitation ... to explain its position on the constitutional issues we will address today," Feingold said, referring to the Senate's role in confirming top officials.

"That's unfortunate. It's also a bit ironic since one of the concerns that has been raised about these officials is that they will thwart congressional oversight of the executive branch."

Craig's letter broke down the roles of 18 officials questioned by members of Congress.

Eight are in federal agencies whose employees testify regularly before Congress. This group includes Richard Holbrooke, the Afghanistan czar and Ron Bloom, the car czar.

Four more are in the National Security Council, individuals who have no independent authority and whose sole function is to advise the president.
Another four are in the president's and vice president's offices and function as senior White House advisers on health, energy and environment, urban affairs and domestic violence. They are Lynn Rosenthal, domestic violence; Carol Browner, energy and environment; Adolfo Carrion Jr., urban affairs and Nancy-Ann DeParle, health.

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said the administration has created doubt about its promise of transparency. However, neither Coburn nor Feingold would criticize any specific official.

It's not even clear what constitutes a czar.

"'Czar' is not an official government title of anybody; it is a vernacular of executive branch public administration," said Bradley Patterson, a hearing witness who has served on the White House staff under Republican presidents Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
"It is a label now used loosely hereabouts, especially by the media," Patterson said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...takes-white-house-task-czars/?test=latestnews

Finally...

 

[Kelly]

He's not the only Dem, there have been several others that have been questioning how constitutional all of this is....

 

[Paradyme]

He's not the only Dem, there have been several others that have been questioning how constitutional all of this is....

Well, thats good to know. I'm sure there are more than just this guy who has been asking about Czars for awhile.

 

[Thirdworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm-Fx5jTbPE

 

[Bathead]

So what?

 

[Nivek]

Hey, who is beating the Paranoia drum now? Oh, nevermind....

 

[Thirdworld]

Are we so stuck into party lines that we cannot admit someone saying that power comes for a gun is not alarming? Do we think our American culture so civilized that so atrocities such as under Mao would never be possible in a future landscape? I'm not saying this is the way we are heading but to arbitrarily dismiss such statements with "so what" is far from objectivity.

 

[Paradyme]

This is some of the most disturbing stuff I've ever read.

Breaking: Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar” Is Promoting Child Porn in the Classroom– Kevin Jennings and the GLSEN Reading List

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The list is divided into three main categories: books recommended for grades K-6; books recommended for grades 7-12; and books for teachers. (The books on the list span all genres: fiction, nonfiction, memoirs, even poetry.)
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Spoiler

We were unprepared for what we encountered. Book after book after book contained stories and anecdotes that weren’t merely X-rated and pornographic, but which featured explicit descriptions of sex acts [BLACKOUT]between pre-schoolers; stories that seemed to promote and recommend child-adult sexual relationships; stories of public *********ion, anal sex in restrooms, affairs between students and teachers, five-year-olds playing sex games, semen flying through the air[/BLACKOUT]. One memoir even praised becoming a prostitute as a way to increase one’s self-esteem. Above all, the books seemed to have less to do with promoting tolerance than with an unabashed attempt to indoctrinate students into a hyper-sexualized worldview.

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Excerpts from one of the books.

Reflections of a Rock Lobster – Page 13
(At the age of six, the author frequently performed ******io on his fellow first-graders in the school restroom, part of a “busy homosexual childhood.&#8221

Spoiler

[BLACKOUT]My sexual exploits with my neighborhood playmates continued. I lived a busy homosexual childhood, somehow managing to avoid venereal disease through all my toddler years. By first grade I was sexually active with many friends. In fact, a small group of us regularly met in the grammar school lavatory to perform ******io on one another. A typical week’s schedule would be Aaron and Michael on Monday during lunch; Michael and Johnny on Tuesday after school; Fred and Timmy at noon Wednesday; Aaron and Timmy after school on Thursday. None of us ever got caught, but we never worried about it anyway. We all understood that what we were doing was not to be discussed freely with adults but we viewed it as a fun sort of confidential activity. None of us had any guilty feelings about it; we figured everyone did it. Why shouldn’t they?[/BLACKOUT]

Here is a link to the website that has all the info but I'm not going to direct link it because it is frankly way to graphic for the average viewer. If Kel, Marx, SuBe, even find this link in a way wrong please remove it if you feel that is necessary.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com

 

[Kelly]

Whoa....I would wait before I went with an opinion on that...

 

[SuBe]

Isn't he the one that promoted a teenage/adult homosexual love affair when he was a consuler in the 70's?

 

[Paradyme]

Isn't he the one that promoted a teenage/adult homosexual love affair when he was a consuler in the 70's?

Yes.