Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in 2003

[Addendum]

It's still illegal and hurts her credibility

 

[Soundwave]

same here and bash Canseco all you want but most of what he has said has panned out....to the letter....

True.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Anyone see Letterman's Top 10 Messages on A-Rod's Answering Machine? Here it is:

10. "Hey, it's Mark McGwire. Want to get together this week and not talk about the past?"

9. "Joe Torre here -- thanks for helping book sales."

8. "Could you find a steroid that keeps you from choking in the playoffs?"

7. "Are you worried this will taint all the championships you didn't win?"

6. "It's Bernie Madoff. Nice try but I'm still the most hated man in New York."

5. "Michael Phelps here. Got any snacks?"

4. "This is Sammy Sosa. Just pretend you don't speak English."

3. "Michael Phelps again. Did I call you or did you call me?"

2. "Hey, it's Rod Blagojevich -- I'll say you're innocent, if you say I am."

1. "It's Madonna. You got a phone number for Jeter?"


I think it's one of the best Top 10 lists they've ever done on the Letterman show. Absolutely hilarious.

 

[Excel]

8. "Could you find a steroid that keeps you from choking in the playoffs?"

7. "Are you worried this will taint all the championships you didn't win?"

Oh my god. That is absolutley hysterical.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

They're all funny. The Michael Phelps ones had me....

 

[ih8nyy]

An excerpt from the upcoming SI Article on A-Rod.

Spoiler

IN A parking lot space halfway between the University of Miami's baseball complex and its athletic center sits a hulking sign of his presence: a black Maybach, the QM2 of luxury liner cars, with a silver license plate frame that has ALEX RODRIGUEZ engraved across the bottom. It's freezing by Miami standards, about 39°, making an indoor workout far preferable to fielding short hops in the icy dew of a practice field. An SI reporter walks into a sprawling but nearly empty weight room that smells of rubber mats, shows a business card and asks if Alex Rodriguez is around. "In the back," says a man in a Hurricanes jacket.

Rodriguez is dressed in a white T-shirt and sweatpants, working out with a trainer and a friend as music pounds in the background. He is not pleased to see the reporter—whom he recognizes—in a place he views as his sanctuary. "You're not supposed to be here," he says more than once. When told there are a couple of important questions that need to be asked, Rodriguez, the Yankees' All-Star third baseman, rests his arm on a parallel bar used for triceps dips and leans in to listen with a bored sigh, as if he's expecting yet another question about Joe Torre or Madonna or Derek Jeter.

Rodriguez is asked about a drug test he took in 2003 (his final year with the Rangers), which SI's sources said came up positive for two anabolic steroids—testosterone and methenolone, also known by the brand name Primobolan. Rodriguez's green eyes widen, and he looks away. He processes the question and says, "You'll have to talk to the union," as he begins to fiddle with a plate. He is asked if the positive result could be a mistake, if maybe he took a tainted supplement, if the information is wrong. He says nothing. Is there any explanation, anything further he wants to say? "I'm not saying anything," he replies and turns toward a barbell.

One more question comes his way: Three major league players told SI that Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association, tipped Rodriguez about an upcoming drug test in early September 2004. Rodriguez is asked if that is true, but he does not respond. He looks at the trainer and orders him to "get someone. [The reporter] is not supposed to be in here."

(entire article here) http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1151759/1/index.htm

source sports illustrated dot com

 

[BlackLantern]

Getting this kind of info is neither hazardous to your health nor anything new. Journalists have been doing it forever. The union was supposed to have destroyed these test results anyway.

Woodward and Bernstein bent the rules a bit and they exposed one of this country largest political scandals.....

 

[ih8nyy]

Woodward and Bernstein bent the rules a bit and they exposed one of this country largest political scandals.....

I was reading the other day that they both turned up dead.

Oh wait.

Never mind that was thenewfrontiersmen.net.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Woodward and Bernstein bent the rules a bit and they exposed one of this country largest political scandals.....

And yet people want to put a journalist on trial for leaking 1 name from test results that had no consequences on those who failed it. The only thing it's done is tarnish their image. If they cared about their image, they wouldn't have taken steroids to begin with.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Eh, I dunno about that.

When everyone else is doing it....and you're conditioned into constantly upping your game, I don't see the "blatant disregard for your image" some point to.

Besides, nobody could have predicted how demonized the juice would become from then to now. It simply became the "Witch" accusation that doesn't really leave any wiggle room for people to understand, much less debate.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's a waste of time and resources. There are more important things than prosecuting a guy who leaked 1 name from a report that had no repercussions on those who failed the test.

And there are more important things to do than prosecute a guy for steroids.

But, since they're all in the same boat....I honestly thing they should kill two birds with one stone.

 

[BlackLantern]

Ive know since I was 9 and started playing little league that steroids are bad....

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Things aren't exactly as black and white simple as when we were kids.

And getting pressure from all angles matters. I know it doesn't matter to anyone here, but it matters to the players under the heat.

And again, when everyone else is doing it....and you can't snitch on everyone (because ever since I was 8 and started playing little league, I too knew that snitching was considered bad too) then that player is in quite a nice spot to **** up.

When everyone is performing at a crazy level, I'm sure others would like to keep up.

Which is the problem I think alot of people are forgetting. It's not like it was only a few players doing it for recreation or something. It was tons of players. Tons.

If you watch the interview with A-Rod, I thought it was clear that he knew a number of other players involved. There were times where he took seconds to think before he spurted anything out.

 

[BlackLantern]

Exactly...this kind of thing trickles down....everyone wants to be competitive for the next level and the last thing we need is 13 and 14 year old shooting up to get size for HS football....

 

[Addendum]

They'll get size, but that doesn't translate to improvement in skill

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Steroids have shown an increase in hand-eye coordination.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

But, those 13 year olds already are shooting up to get size. Have been for years. The problem has been hitting Highschool and College sports for quite a while now.

Demonzing these guys won't help, either. You get one emotional guy who suddenly feels like the entire world and all the planets of the universe are falling on him....and that person could go crazy and do something he can't take back. Pffft, we all know how tied into roids that suicides are as well. I dunno how tied into it is with HGH and all these other different versions.

I'm not making excuses for A-Rod, but I think it's important to keep a clear head about these things.

He was a man about it, at the very least. He didn't deny it. My favorite player ever (sigh..yeah) Roger Clemens denied and denied, and is probably going to end up in jail for it. He'd had been better off admitting in.

Hell, even Andy Pettitte was better off for it....and he lied about the numbers of seasons he used the stuff....but still came out relatively good compared to Rocket and Bonds.

Even Giambi who denied and denied...and then admitted came out okay. Clemens could probably come clean and in some way be forgiven. It's the guys who deny and deny and deny that get hung up to get beaten with the proverbial sticks.

I'l say this too:

I really expect the rest of the 103 baseball players to be ousted as well. Right now, Latin America is taking it personal that A-Rod is being singled out of a list of 104 players.

 

[Addendum]

And even then it doesn't guarantee a home run with every swing, let alone a hit. It also doesn't diminish the amount of errors made by a player

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Steroids have shown an increase in hand-eye coordination.

They have?

For me, the biggest advantage of steroids is the recovery time. Suddenly, a guy who's played through 162 games and is in the playoffs can be just as freash as when he started the season, so there probably won't be any drop off in his abilities or his power. Same for pitchers.

That's huge, I think. Just being able to feel that good when your arm is supposed to be feeling like jell-o.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, the jury is still out on what it does EXACTLY.

As well as what it does to people years later. I know heart attacks seem to spike up a ton for roid users in the later years of they're life.

 

[Addendum]

And even with that player feeling fresh, he still has to rely on the performance of his team mates

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, I think if there's anything we know for sure...is that steroids doesn't make a ****** player a good one. Much less a great one.

It seems that if the player is good, he can become great. If the player is great, he can become legendary.

Give the stuff to some bench warmer and he probably won't knock in over 20 hrs.

Of course, confidence could be a big aspect as well. If the player has is the back of his mind that the other one is better than him because of those insane numbers...he's lost the edge.

 

[BlackLantern]

But, those 13 year olds already are shooting up to get size. Have been for years. The problem has been hitting Highschool and College sports for quite a while now.

Demonzing these guys won't help, either. You get one emotional guy who suddenly feels like the entire world and all the planets of the universe are falling on him....and that person could go crazy and do something he can't take back. Pffft, we all know how tied into roids that suicides are as well. I dunno how tied into it is with HGH and all these other different versions.

I'm not making excuses for A-Rod, but I think it's important to keep a clear head about these things.

He was a man about it, at the very least. He didn't deny it. My favorite player ever (sigh..yeah) Roger Clemens denied and denied, and is probably going to end up in jail for it. He'd had been better off admitting in.

Hell, even Andy Pettitte was better off for it....and he lied about the numbers of seasons he used the stuff....but still came out relatively good compared to Rocket and Bonds.

Even Giambi who denied and denied...and then admitted came out okay. Clemens could probably come clean and in some way be forgiven. It's the guys who deny and deny and deny that get hung up to get beaten with the proverbial sticks.

I'l say this too:

I really expect the rest of the 103 baseball players to be ousted as well. Right now, Latin America is taking it personal that A-Rod is being singled out of a list of 104 players.

People need an object lesson....we don't listen unless someone gets caught doing something ****ed up or something awful happens....

Someone needs to be made an example of in a serious way....only then will people listen

 

[Addendum]

And if this came out in 2001-2003, then some type of action would be appropriate depending on the rules. Instead it's 6-8 years later and rules have changed.

 

[Captain Planet!]

I like how Bud Selig acts like he is completely innocent of all this steroid business.