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Discussion in 'DC Comics Films' started by protocida, Dec 29, 2007.
Can someone PLEASE tell me what happens on Alex Tse's draft for ''Watchmen''?
Well, Veidt is killed by Nite Owl.
That's what's important.
It fawking sucks cock. What's important is not so much the apocryphal elements (i.e. Dreiberg killing Veidt with Archie, the Comedian drinks yerbe mate), but that Snyder seems to be using Tse's work as a hankie -- as opposed to an actual shooting script.
Since the Tse script has been leaked (which, I think, was roughly a year ago? Someone back me up or biotch-slap me on this one), Snyder has given every indication that he's sticking to the original text. In one interview (sorry I'm a bit hungover and it's the kind that prohibits me from providing links/sources), Snyder indicated that he is definitely keeping the ending that we find in the comics. In other words, we can reasonably assume the he is not killing off Veidt in the film -- because if he does, he can just as reasonably assume that he will be lynched by herds of man-geeks. However, it is not so clear on the subject of the giant hybrid-squid-monster business: no script (I've three -- four if you count the abomination offered by Sam Hamm or whatrver the fawk the hack's name is) has included this story arc in the film. What with the vast conspiracy and the remote island and the cabal of scientists and artists, it just proved to be a little off-the-hook for Hayter and Tse. Hayter opted for Veidt doing a Dr. Manhattan impression, wherein a big, blue laser kills a bunch of mutherhumpers. It is a very yawn-inspiring invention. Tse opted for a holocaust prompted by a giant Q-tip or something. I forget, to be honest.
Anywho, the word from Snyder himself is/was that they were constantly working on the script until production began (the dudes who wrote Transformers were brought in at the eleventh hour. And before you vomit, they actually appear to be intelligent guys -- geeks at heart -- who I suspect might have brought the Watchmen script down to Earth); the word from the set is that Snyder is going for a panel-by-panel adaptation of the comic. So basically you can find the Tse script pretty easily but it won't give you an idea of how this movie is going to turn out.
Snyder posted a storyboard or two about an hour ago. They're insanely faithful and wonderfully drawn. Beside that, Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman came in and practically rewrote the entire screenplay.
They sent their work on over to Damon Lindlelof (a true fan at heart, and even used "The Freighter" as a key plot point in "Lost") and he loved it.
does any kid soul have a file of either?
I had both until my 'puter betrayed me and now i'm needing to dip back into them for personal cinematic endeavors.
but yea, profuse thanks. you can send the good stuff over to: [email protected]
What happened in Tse's script is that he took the meat of WATCHMEN and made it work even better than Hayter did, for the most part (granted, he built his script on Hayter's). He also took WATCHMEN back to the 80's. There are a few "cameo" style moments that feel a bit forced, but for the most part, the script created a solid foundation to build on. The changes made to the story were already present in Hayter's script (and probably studio mandated). Tse actually brought a rather interesting "twist" to Veidt's plan, making it more about Dr. Manhattan and making it about humanity's loss of trust in superheroes, and their alien nature.
I heard there is no squid creature. Doesn't that make Veidt's plan worthless/pointless without the squid?
Why does it have to be a squid? New York WILL be destroyed, it just may be by some other means. As long as it's something (supposedly) otherworldy, and it convinces the nations of Earth to unite out of fear, the ending is still the same. Squid, laser, whatever.
Only if you believe that the themes of the story must involve Earth being tricked into believing they are attacked by a giant squid instead of an alien/superpowered force like Dr. Manhattan.
Watchmen isn't Batman where you can make tons of different stories, and characters. Watchmen is a one time graphic novel that should stay true to its entirety. From the Jon's blue penis to Comedian raping SS1, it should all be in there.
it has been hinted that the suid is in. Some evidence to this is that the creature designer for cloverfield has signed on, Neville Page I believe his name is.
"Clark Kent is Superman's critique of the entire Human race."
Not true considering he was basically raised at a young age on Earth, and didn't know he was anything but Human.
one thing I didn't much care for in the graphic novel was
when Rorschach dies, it doesn't show anyone's reaction to his death, I thought they should have at least shown night owl's reaction
inflames, he was too busy with SS2. I must admit though, Jon's smirk was creepy.
yea, but I wish
dan would have been there to witness it or show his reaction after the fact, eh its a minor gripe and it's pretty obvious what dan's reaction would have been, so no biggy.
they may show his reaction in the film. It maybe why he's screaming in the trailer
yea thats what I was thinking.
That's exactly what that is. There's a scene in the script where Nite Owl sees it happen now.
Makes sense. If that's the case, I think it'll be great. I just finished the GN, and
Dan and Laurie just up and deciding they needed to bone, while Manhattan pretty much obliterates Rorschach didn't sit well with me.
Wasn't there a script in which SS2 was called "slingshot" and had powers given to her by Doctor Manhattan?
Yes. The latest draft before Snyder got ahold of it still had her with elements of the Slingshot angle, but she no longer had powers.
God the Slingshot thing was stupid. That was the worst change that draft made.
I don't have that in mine. Was that Tse's also?
That is just Quentin Tarentino's perspective on Superman, I have heard alot of valid rebuttals to that quote from Kill Bill. It comes across as a writers uninformed take on the character, and he has shown ignorance of comic book characters before.
Does anyone have this version of the script? They took it off the internet because of the movie coming. I don't why considering they are didn't even use this version for the film.