Alien Resurrection: Not That Bad.

Why not? Alien 3 was crap. I mean, what was the point of killing off all the characters we'd come to love in Aliens? ******ed.


Alien 3 is one of the lamest driest action/ sci-fi movies ever, nothing happens in it....isn't their only one alien in it, its been sometime since I have seen it, but that is what I remember...

I mean How do you go from essentially a war in 2, to the same thing as 1 but much worse and much drier? 3 is one of the most disappointing movies ever made, at least ressurection attempts to bring the series back to where it was giving us a colorfull cast of characters, vs a decent amount of aliens

I realize some may be a Fincher apologist cause he has gone on to make some really good movies, some of which are overrated in their goodness like fight club but are still good none the less.... George Lucas I believe was the mastermind behind howard the duck, just because he made star wars doesn't mean howard the duck is good
 
Alien 3 was a butchered masterpiece the Assembly cut added many many things:

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EEV Crash
The scene of Ripley being rescued at the beginning is completely different. Originally, Clemens finds her lying on the shore near the EEV and then takes her into the prison. A group of prisoners head down to the beach with Oxen to get the EEV out of the water. This whole sequence was reshot to have footage with the dog instead. (Read the Alien's Host deleted scene). In the theatrical version Ripley is discovered still inside her cryogenic unit inside the EEV. In the theatrical version, there were shots of some prisoners examining the escape pod, including a shot of a facehugger crawling towards the dog and an optical shot of the EEV being carried out of the water by a crane.

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Dillon's Speech
Following the rescue sequence, 85 tells everyone in the mess hall to settle down, and Dillon preaches before Andrews' first 'rumour control.' The theatrical version started the scene with Andrews' rumour control.

Entering the Morgue

Just before the autopsy of Newt, there is a scene with Clemens, Ripley, and Prisoner Kevin walking down the spiral stairs into the morgue where Clemens questions Ripley about her need to certain Newt's death. Clemens asks, "Is there a particular reason that you're so insistent?" Ripley replies, "Yes, I have to be sure how she died." He continues, "I hate to be repetitious about such a sensitive subject, but it's perfectly clear that she drowned." As the two walk across the room, he asks, "Was she your daughter?" She responds, "No, she wasn't."

Alien's Host

In the assembly cut, the alien emerges from an ox instead of a dog. There is a scene where two inmates are dragging an ox named Babe into the butchery after it had suddenly dropped dead. They discuss what caused Babe's death, and there's some macho talk about Ripley. The scene ends when one of the inmates discovers a strange dead animal nearby the dead ox (which is a dead facehugger). This scene replaces the scene in the theatrical version where Murphy finds his wounded dog. The funeral scene is also now intercut with scenes of the Alien bursting from the dead ox rather than the dog, ending with an especially made digital shot of the Alien running off.

The ox was originally shot first on the film. The crew designed the scenes, built the slaughterhouse set, sculpted the animatronic ox, constructed the chestburster, and filmed all of the scenes before they filmed any of the real ox. When they brought on the real ox, it wouldn't do anything. Director David Fincher and the FX team scrapped the ox in favour of an easily trainable dog.

Discussing Golic

Just before Ripley enters the mess Hall with her newly shaved head after the funeral, Prisoners Boggs and Rains share their complaints to Dillon about Prisoner Golic. They say he is crazy and smells bad, and that they don't want to work with him in the tunnels. Dillon says "Well, he's going with you. Golic is just another poor, miserable, suffering son of a *****, just like you and me." and that they have no choice in the matter.

Ripley & Dillon
The scene in which Ripley and Dillon talk about temptations in the cafeteria ends on a shot of Dillon, where it originally ended on Ripley.

Cremating the Bodies

Following Murphy's death, there is more dialog between Ripley and Clemens about why they had to cremate the bodies.

Remembering Murphy

Right after the scene where Ripley asks Clemens where the Bishop droid is, there is a scene where Dillon sees Boggs, Rains, and Golic, off on their excursion into the tunnels. Dillon tells Golic, "Light a candle for Murphy, will you?" Golic replies, "I'll light a thousand." Then they go off into the tunnel.

Ripley's Identity

Straight after the previous scene there is the scene where Andrews and Clemens meet to discuss Ripley. It has a completely new beginning, where the theatrical version begins with Andrews threatening Clemens, and ends with Andrews telling Clemens to "sit the hell down." There is additional dialog here where Clemens Andrews that Ripley was part of a combat team; Andrews eventually just tells Clemens to get out.

Golic's Cigarettes
Golic kicks open an old cigarette machine in the tunnel to get free cigarette packs.

Golic's Deranged State
During Ripley's conversation with the reconnected Bishop, there are intercut scenes of Golic being found in the mess hall by Eric, the cook. He walks up to him and Golic turns around smiling. His face is still smeared with blood from his previous encounter with the Alien, and Eric drops his dishes in shock. A little bit later, Golic is grabbed by the others (Clemens, 85, Andrews, and Dillon) and dragged to the infirmary.

Golic in the Infirmary

The scene in the infirmary where Ripley and Clemens talk has a new opening shot in which the camera begins with a medium shot of Golic, then tracks through the hospital room. Later on in the scene, a tied up Golic interrupts with a few lines about how in an insane world, an sane man must appear to be insane; Clemens sarcastically thanks him. Golic spies on Ripley and Clemens talking by looking under the curtain. The alien drops from the air vent into the infirmary and lands on the mattress next to him causing it to 'lower'. There are more shots of it approaching, and Ripley sees its feet through the bottom of the curtains. There is also a shot of the alien opening its mouth before killing Clemens. After the alien kills Clemens, and Ripley runs out of the infirmary, there is a close-up of Golic admiring the alien, he calls it "magnificent." Followed by a shot of a large amount of blood dripping from the grate through which Clemens was hauled by the Alien.

Dillon's Prayer
In the mess hall, Dillon leads a prayer and then condemns the prisoners for what has been going on (such as the attempted rape and the death of Murphy, Boggs, and Rains) as Ripley runs down the hallway. Andrews takes over and the scene goes on as originally shown.

Morse Challenging Ripley

A new shot where the prisoner mopping up Andrews' blood. He looks up at the air vent and there's an overheard shot. This is followed by a new scene where Dillon preaches to the prisoners after Andrews' death. In the same scene after Morse says they should take Ripley's head and "bash it through the ****ing wall," Ripley replies "That sounds good to me..."

Alien's Entrapment

There are several extra shots in the scene where the inmates set the trap in the tunnel, including one with two inmates checking a pile of batteries, to see if there are some with enough electricity for Aaron's flashlight to work. Ripley looks exhausted while on paintbrush detail and shrugs it off, and Dillon shows concern. As the explosions in the corridors are going off, there are many new shots of prisoners in the air vents engulfed in the flames and falling out of the vents, as well as 85 running away from a burning prisoner. Dillon tries to activate the sprinkler to no effect.

One of the prisoners is hurt badly and Ripley is trying to help him. The prisoner's friend Junior looks fearfully at her as she realizes both of them attacked her. The group runs for the spare sprinkler activator. The alien crawls down from the ceiling as the others try to lure it away. Junior is near the Toxic Waste room and sees a chance to trap the alien and runs into the room, causing the alien to run in after him and sacrificing his life. Ripley and Dillon lock the doors and the sounds of the alien killing him are heard outside. Dillon turns on the sprinklers. After finally putting out the fires, there are several new shots in the montage of prisoners walking through the wreckage of the hallways, and a scene where Dillon is leading a prayer for those who sacrificed themselves and died.

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Ripley and 85

During Dillon's prayer in the previous scene, the camera moves up to Ripley and 85 and they talk about religion. 85 says that the company will arrive to kill the trapped alien with smart guns. Ripley asks him what if they won't kill it.

Golic's Escape
Immediately following the previous scene, there is a scene where Morse is guarding Golic in the infirmary. Golic asks Morse to untie him. Morse reluctantly unties him, and after Golic asks him, tells him where the alien is trapped. Golic knocks him out and hurries out of the room.

Company's Message

Next, there is a scene where 85 and Ripley are sending a transmission to the company about the trapped alien and Ripley, testing the company's intentions, requests permission to terminate the alien. The company quickly replies and tells them not to do anything to the alien, confirming Ripley's suspicions.

Alien's Liberation

Golic arrives at the Toxic waste dump and tells the prisoner guarding the door he must talk to the creature. The prisoner shrugs him off and suddenly Golic slits his throat and opens the door, telling the alien he'll do anything he wants. Golic screams as the alien attacks and the alien escapes.

Company Discussion
Ripley tells Dillon about the company's plans to keep the alien alive and Dillon says he doesn't care. Ripley insists that innocent people will die and Dillon tells him that the world outside does not exist for them. Morse rushes in and tells them he has bad news.

How to Proceed

Following on from the previous scene, Ripley, Dillon, and Morse along with 85 go to the dump where 85 blames Morse for Golic's actions. Some of this scene was re-edited to make it follow the explosion sequence in the theatrical version.

Moving to the Furnace

There's a new scene in the assembly hall, after Ripley discovers she is carrying an Alien. The prisoners are arguing about the course of action to be taken; now that the Alien is free again, there is nothing stopping it from attacking them anywhere in the complex. One of the prisoners lights a match for his cigarette, which reminds all others of the Alien's fear of fire. They all decide to move to the furnace area immediately.

Motivating the Prisoners

During the scene where the remaining prisoners are meeting to discuss Dillon and Ripley's plan to terminate the alien, there are expanded dialog scenes concerning Dillon telling them they have a choice to get even with the creature for destroying the others. Ripley then questions 85's statements that the rescue team is on its way. The scene ends with Dillon saying "You're all going to die. This is as good a place as any to take your first steps to heaven. Only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet or on your ****in' knees beggin'? I ain't much for beggin'. Nobody ever gave me nothin'. So I say, **** that thing, let's fight it!"

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Ripley's Death

There is more dialog when Bishop II confronts Ripley as he refers to the malignancy inside her and the great courage she has shown. There is also an added scene where the Asian medic explains the procedure to remove the alien from Ripley. When 85 hits Bishop II with the pipe there is an additional moment which Bishop II can be seen in pain and wiping blood from his face. He shouts "I'm not a droid!" After this, Bishop sees one of his crew-members with a camera trying to film Ripley, and he tells the man with the camera, "No pictures!" Several shots of Ripley preparing for her jump, as she looks hesitant and nervous. She looks at Bishop and says "You're crazy." right before she jumps. Ripley's death scene is a completely alternate take: In the theatrical version, as Ripley fell, the alien queen burst out of her chest, here she simply falls into the lead. Her body can be seen burning up just before it hits the lead.


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The theatrical cut may be nearing the level of forgettable botch-job but the assembly cut is a true masterpiece and perfect end to the Alien TRILOGY

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I mean How do you go from essentially a war in 2, to the same thing as 1 but much worse and much drier? 3 is one of the most disappointing movies ever made,

It truely is a shame because the original script had an alien outbreak on earth in a blade runner setting. Of course Fox didn't want to spend much money on the film so they cut the budget thereby, forcing Fincher to dramatically change the script and the rest is history. The most insulting thing about the Aliens 3 script being changed is the teaser trailer showed the movie would indeed take place on eath. I wonder how long Fox has been using false advertising to unscrupulously promote their sci-fi films because they seem to do it all the time now.
 
It truely is a shame because the original script had an alien outbreak on earth in a blade runner setting. Of course Fox didn't want to spend much money on the film so they cut the budget thereby, forcing Fincher to dramatically change the script and the rest is history. The most insulting thing about the Aliens 3 script being changed is the teaser trailer showed the movie would indeed take place on eath. I wonder how long Fox has been using false advertising to unscrupulously promote their sci-fi films because they seem to do it all the time now.

Wow i hadn't even herd that, that sounds cool
 
Wow i hadn't even herd that, that sounds cool

I thought it was cool too after I saw the teaser trailer. Then after hearing about the movie being completely changed and seeing the new trailer I figured the movie would be crap so I didn't waste theater money on the film. In fact I actually saw Aliens 4 first before Aliens 3. I saw Aliens 3 for the first time in 1999. Fortunately, I didn't have to spend any money to see it. I borrowed it from a friend who also thought it was a piece of crap.
 
I thought it was cool too after I saw the teaser trailer. Then after hearing about the movie being completely changed and seeing the new trailer I figured the movie would be crap so I didn't waste theater money on the film. In fact I actually saw Aliens 4 first before Aliens 3. I saw Aliens 3 for the first time in 1999. Fortunately, I didn't have to spend any money to see it. I borrowed it from a friend who also thought it was a piece of crap.


I think Ressurection works on the sci-fi action level as good as anything in that Independence day class, Alien and Aliens=far superior, but Ressurection still has a large amount of appeal and class to it

Alien 3 is just a boring mess, the assembely cut maybe good, but that still doesn't let the theatrical cut off the hook

Ressurection is actually what I would have liked to see them do with AVP semi interesting story involving aliens going to earth or what not, and get a a sweet cast make up a crop of colorful characters, and let a b.a. like ron pearlmen go to town on some aliens
 
I think Ressurection works on the sci-fi action level as good as anything in that Independence day class, Alien and Aliens=far superior, but Ressurection still has a large amount of appeal and class to it

Alien 3 is just a boring mess, the assembely cut maybe good, but that still doesn't let the theatrical cut off the hook

Ressurection is actually what I would have liked to see them do with AVP semi interesting story involving aliens going to earth or what not, and get a a sweet cast make up a crop of colorful characters, and let a b.a. like ron pearlmen go to town on some aliens

Mmmmmm fair enough but don't agree with any of that.

Alien 3 is dark and remains faithful to the universe Scott created in the first movie. It features probably the best acting of the entire series and works as a perfect conclusion to Ripleys story.

Resurrection is a cartoon, it wants to be Aliens but never even comes close ... it lacks any kind of deep long-lasting quality and set the tone for the weak AVP that followed.
 
Alien 3 is one of the lamest driest action/ sci-fi movies ever, nothing happens in it....isn't their only one alien in it, its been sometime since I have seen it, but that is what I remember...

I mean How do you go from essentially a war in 2, to the same thing as 1 but much worse and much drier? 3 is one of the most disappointing movies ever made, at least ressurection attempts to bring the series back to where it was giving us a colorfull cast of characters, vs a decent amount of aliens

:whatever: :csad: Good grief....
 
Alien Ressurection along with AvP are the types of movies that both Ridley Scott and James Cameron made it a point NOT to make when they were making Alien and Aliens. they didn't want it to be a Hollywood-ified creature effects extravaganza....they wanted to make sci fi movies that could be taken seriously. Alien 3, at least, was an attempt to keep the franchise's credibility...A:R and AvP were on the same level as Mummy 2 and Van Helsing.
 
Mmmmmm fair enough but don't agree with any of that.

Alien 3 is dark and remains faithful to the universe Scott created in the first movie. It features probably the best acting of the entire series and works as a perfect conclusion to Ripleys story.

Resurrection is a cartoon, it wants to be Aliens but never even comes close ... it lacks any kind of deep long-lasting quality and set the tone for the weak AVP that followed.

first off I'm not sure what your expecting from a movie called Alien vs Predator, I'm not sure what great deep story could possibly come from a movie featuring two main characters that don't talk....anything could be good but it would take a talented man (like cameron himself) to make a AVP anything close to a credible movie let alone a credible action movie

I think Ressurection succeeds where AVP fails, and for me at least if you can give me a cast of cool characters (however paper thin they may have been) that I want to see beat the aliens or predators, and delivers some pretty solid action

Alien 3 is just boring, if your going to give me **** the least you can do is give me something that is fun to watch, characters that are cool and colorful

however AVP sucked, and could have been a whole lot better
 
Alien 3 is no more boring than Alien was.

It is one of the big reason I think Aliens is far superior to Alien, but still I would say Alien has a slow pace to it, over it being boring

Alien actually builds suspense towards something, and is effectively scary

3 is monotonously dry it goes no where, stands still flat

alien may have a slow pace to it, but it isn't boring. Alien 3 effectively does nothing until the end where Ripley's self sacrifice is feels like a good moment was wasted on a movie that does not need to exist.
 
Alien actually builds suspense towards something, and is effectively scary
something neither A:R or AvP was able to do...yet A3 had elements of suspense even if it didn't have as much as Alien.

3 is monotonously dry it goes no where, stands still flat
purely your opinion, of course. i happen to think Alien 3 has a few important underlying themes. even though i agree Alien 3 is visually monotonous, i definitely don't agree that the movie dry or flat. that's what A:R is...

alien may have a slow pace to it, but it isn't boring. Alien 3 effectively does nothing until the end where Ripley's self sacrifice is feels like a good moment was wasted on a movie that does not need to exist.
truth be told...Alien 3 was a huge cluster-f*** since the first draft of it's scrip, but if you consider the disadvantages it had then maybe you wouldn't have such disdain for it. it still managed to hold it's own. even if it isn't as intense as Aliens or as brilliant as Alien, it still deserves to be in the Aliens Saga......something very few people will say about A:R or AvP.
 
first off I'm not sure what your expecting from a movie called Alien vs Predator, I'm not sure what great deep story could possibly come from a movie featuring two main characters that don't talk....anything could be good but it would take a talented man (like cameron himself) to make a AVP anything close to a credible movie let alone a credible action movie

I think Ressurection succeeds where AVP fails, and for me at least if you can give me a cast of cool characters (however paper thin they may have been) that I want to see beat the aliens or predators, and delivers some pretty solid action

Alien 3 is just boring, if your going to give me **** the least you can do is give me something that is fun to watch, characters that are cool and colorful

however AVP sucked, and could have been a whole lot better

See this is why Fox will keep churning out rubbish .....

You ask what I expect from a movie called Alien V Predator .... Not much! .... but the LEAST I want is human characters I can care about, a solid story, SOMETHING that comes close to decent acting and a script that respects and understands the creatures involved.

Aliens and Predator are both perfect examples ...... VERY simple storys but with some careful casting and a little effort they are now the stuff of legend. Films that will be enjoyed and talked about for years and years to come.

Fox know they can make a fast buck in the cinema and large numbers of quick sales in the DVD stores that they don't need to TRY anymore.

AVP was produced instead of a Cameron/Scott Alien 5 ........... sheer madness!
 
See this is why Fox will keep churning out rubbish .....

You ask what I expect from a movie called Alien V Predator .... Not much! .... but the LEAST I want is human characters I can care about, a solid story, SOMETHING that comes close to decent acting and a script that respects and understands the creatures involved.

Aliens and Predator are both perfect examples ...... VERY simple storys but with some careful casting and a little effort they are now the stuff of legend. Films that will be enjoyed and talked about for years and years to come.

Fox know they can make a fast buck in the cinema and large numbers of quick sales in the DVD stores that they don't need to TRY anymore.

AVP was produced instead of a Cameron/Scott Alien 5 ........... sheer madness!


I couldn't agree more with everything said her

doesn't change the fact Alien 3 is boring, and Ressurection (and to an extent AVP) isn't
 
This movie was enjoyable. It was an OK movie, but I had fun watching it (except for the last 15 minutes with the hybrid, which I refuse to watch because it's so stupid and weird). Ron Perlman and Gary Dourdan were the s***, too. Many make this movie out to be one of the worst ever, but that is not the case. Look at it as more of a standalone than related to Alien and Aliens, then it'd be a bit different.
 
something neither A:R or AvP was able to do...yet A3 had elements of suspense even if it didn't have as much as Alien.

Ressurection isn't a suspense movie it is a simple action movie, it succeeds 100 times more than Alien 3 trying to be a suspense movie (1,000 times if Alien 3 was trying to be an action movie)

truth be told...Alien 3 was a huge cluster-f*** since the first draft of it's scrip, but if you consider the disadvantages it had then maybe you wouldn't have such disdain for it. it still managed to hold it's own. even if it isn't as intense as Aliens or as brilliant as Alien, it still deserves to be in the Aliens Saga......something very few people will say about A:R or AvP.

I personally don't care what disadvantages the movie had...a movie is only as good as its final product, if it is as unwatchable as Alien 3, whatever happened in production...it's still a dreadful movie...if thats your line of thinking then why don't you look at X3 like "we'll was given like 7 months to make a movie most people get 18 months to make so looking at it like that he did a okay job with it i guess..." is essentially the same thing
 
This movie was enjoyable. It was an OK movie, but I had fun watching it (except for the last 15 minutes with the hybrid, which I refuse to watch because it's so stupid and weird). Ron Perlman and Gary Dourdan were the s***, too. Many make this movie out to be one of the worst ever, but that is not the case. Look at it as more of a standalone than related to Alien and Aliens, then it'd be a bit different.


i forgot about that, that was both weird and stupid haha
 
I found Alien Resurrection to be a plain ugly and unpleasant film, not to mention entirely unnecessary. While Alien 3 was highly flawed, I found it an overall better film with a much more convincing mood.
 
Ressurection isn't a suspense movie it is a simple action movie, it succeeds 100 times more than Alien 3 trying to be a suspense movie (1,000 times if Alien 3 was trying to be an action movie)
if you're not holding the "suspense" card for Ressurection then you shouldn't be holding the "suspense" card for Alien 3 either. since when did Alien 3 ever advertise itself to be a "suspense" movie? it's only ever known to be a drama/horror flick. that's more than i can say for Alien Ressurection...which most will agree is mainly an action flick. it's double standard to expect Alien type suspense from Alien 3 when you don't expect the same from Alien Ressurection.

I personally don't care what disadvantages the movie had...a movie is only as good as its final product
true...a movie is only as good as the final product, but have you even seen the final product (the director's cut)? either way...i know you don't like the movie because you think it's boring, but the Alien franchise was never meant to be an action movie like Alien Ressurection and AvP are.

Alien 3 has more substance, thought, and intellect than Alien Ressurection's corny, mindless action approach. A3 is more thought-provoking while AR is a straight-forward movie. it doesn't take much thinking to watch a straight-forward movie like Ghost Rider or Fantastic Four but it requires more thinking for movies like Panic Room or Zodiac. Alien 3 is more of a drama, Alien Ressurection is more of an action flick. it's like comparing apples and oranges but neither Alien nor Aliens were ever considered mindless action flicks like AR has gotten the reputation of being. however, both 1 and 2 had plenty of drama. so in essence, you're saying you like the less faithful in nature brainless action sequel that is Alien Ressurection, than the more faithful in nature horror/drama that is Alien 3...
 

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