Alien Resurrection: Not That Bad.

[livrule]

I couldn't agree more with everything said her

doesn't change the fact Alien 3 is boring, and Ressurection (and to an extent AVP) isn't

"Fact" ..... I appear to be wasting my time.

I'm actually sad for you that you can't get past your obvious need for guns and loud noises .... If you were able to sit down and really watch Alien 3 you might enjoy and appreciate some of the genuine quality on offer .....

 

[livrule]

I found Alien Resurrection to be a plain ugly and unpleasant film, not to mention entirely unnecessary. While Alien 3 was highly flawed, I found it an overall better film with a much more convincing mood.

Well said.

 

[Theweepeople]

It is one of the big reason I think Aliens is far superior to Alien, but still I would say Alien has a slow pace to it, over it being boring

Alien actually builds suspense towards something, and is effectively scary

3 is monotonously dry it goes no where, stands still flat

alien may have a slow pace to it, but it isn't boring. Alien 3 effectively does nothing until the end where Ripley's self sacrifice is feels like a good moment was wasted on a movie that does not need to exist.

It's always amusing when I hear someone say Alien was boring. The next question I ask these people is "did you see Aliens first" and 100% of the time their answer is yes. I don't know anyone personally who thought Alien was boring when it was seen before Aliens.

Alien did effectively build suspense and was scary simply because the alien facehugger and drone were revealed for the first time. Alien 3 was a pathetic attempt at remaking the first movie but, it failed miserably since there was nothing suspenseful for the audience because the creatures had been revealed two films ago. Alien was the only film that would work as a sci-fi/horror/suspense movie because it is an introduction film to the villians of the series. After the villians are revealed there is no point in trying to make a suspenseful film again. It simply won't work anymore. Aliens will only work as a sci-fi/horror/action series from now on.

 

[Theweepeople]

This movie was enjoyable. It was an OK movie, but I had fun watching it (except for the last 15 minutes with the hybrid, which I refuse to watch because it's so stupid and weird). Ron Perlman and Gary Dourdan were the s***, too. Many make this movie out to be one of the worst ever, but that is not the case. Look at it as more of a standalone than related to Alien and Aliens, then it'd be a bit different.

I agree. Aliens Resurrection was crap, but it was fun crap until the Aliens Hybrid abomination. What Aliens 1, 2 , and 4 all succeeded at was interesting characters. Aliens 3 didn't have a single characters in the film that was interesting and added something unique to the storyline. 95% of the characters were prisoners convicted of rape or murderer. I could barley distinguish between them.

 

[Warhammer]

I agree. Aliens Resurrection was crap, but it was fun crap until the Aliens Hybrid abomination. What Aliens 1, 2 , and 4 all succeeded at was interesting characters. Aliens 3 didn't have a single characters in the film that was interesting and added something unique to the storyline. 95% of the characters were prisoners convicted of rape or murderer. I could barley distinguish between them.

Get ready to get flamed on.

 

[Theweepeople]

I found Alien Resurrection to be a plain ugly and unpleasant film, not to mention entirely unnecessary.

I agree but, I felt all of these feelings towards Alien 3 more than I did towards Aliens 4. First of all Alien 3 had two plotholes in the opening scene that are way too ridiculous to stomach.

Plothole 1 How in the hell did the queen lay an egg in the dropship? She could barely fit in the leg. She was only in the leg for about 10-15 minutes. Even if she had time to grow one of those cocoons in that time period there is no way it would fit inside that space with her.

Plothole 2 What if the queen by some miracle figured out a way to lay an egg on the dropship? Was Ripley too lazy, too tired, or too stupid to check the area of the dropship where the queen hid before going to sleep? Ripley had experienced something similar to this during her first encounter with the creatures. In reality Ripley not only would have checked the dropship but, she would have also done a diagnostic of the ship to be absolutely sure there were no alien life forms.

Plothole 3 What in the hell was the alien doing for the majority of the movie? We saw how effective the creature was at killing the crew in the first film who had decent weapondry to use. The aliens showed they were fairly inteligent in two previous movies. 99% of the characters in Alien lacked the wits, resources, and experience to fight the creature. After being exposed to the prisoners for a few hours the alien must have known they didn't stand a chance against it. Why didn't the creature just slaughter everyone in Alien 3?

In retrospect alien 3 is somewhat of a combination of the first two films. It takes the idea of having just one alien from the first film and the idea of people being stranded on a planet from the second film. The only thing that made Alien 3 unique was the humans didn't have any effective weapons to use this time around. Therefore, most of the few encounters we do see between the alien and humans had action scenes that were either lackluster or confusing.

Lackluster scene:

The decision to kill the alien with the toxic waste is arguably the most bland action sequence in the whole series. The alien was briefly seen during a few seconds of the whole sequence!!!!

Confusing scene:

Why didn't the alien kill only one person(Andrews) in the mess hall? The alien had already killed a few people and must have realized that the humans had no threatening weapons that could be used against it.



The thing that irritates me the most about Alien 3 is it makes Ripley's heroics at the end of Aliens pointless!!! As far as I'm concerned the series with Ripley ended with 2 because Alien 3 had two many plotholes.

 

[DorkyFresh]

how come you don't have Tim Story in your hack list, weepeople?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

"Fact" ..... I appear to be wasting my time.

I'm actually sad for you that you can't get past your obvious need for guns and loud noises .... If you were able to sit down and really watch Alien 3 you might enjoy and appreciate some of the genuine quality on offer .....

obvious need for guns and loud noises???

It's a sci-fi/actiom movie, about aliens???? wtf?????

this isn't like this is the English Patient, and even that had some guns in it

is it too much to ask for some action from a sci-fi/action movie? I would think not

 

[Theweepeople]

how come you don't have Tim Story in your hack list, weepeople?

The only reason I haven't added Story is because I have not seen Fantastic Four 2 yet. I have a strong desire to add him because I of fantastic four 1 however, I was willing to give him a chance to redeem himself. I probably should add him because everything I've heard about FF2 tells me that it was lackluster just like the first film.

 

[DorkyFresh]

hehe...fair enough, but consider me one more voucher for him to be added.

 

[Sandman138]

obvious need for guns and loud noises???

It's a sci-fi/actiom movie, about aliens???? wtf?????

this isn't like this is the English Patient, and even that had some guns in it

is it too much to ask for some action from a sci-fi/action movie? I would think not

Most of the Alien franchise has been sic-fi/horror, not action.

 

[Theweepeople]

obvious need for guns and loud noises???

It's a sci-fi/actiom movie, about aliens???? wtf?????

this isn't like this is the English Patient, and even that had some guns in it

is it too much to ask for some action from a sci-fi/action movie? I would think not

I know. It's as if Fox wanted the Aliens franchise to go from a sci-fi/horror/action to a sci-fi/horror/drama. Aliens 3 had more drama in it than all of the aliens movies including avp combined. 40% of the movie consisted of Ripley loosing her friends from Aliens. Ripley crying about Newt's death. Ripley crying during the funeral service of Newt and Hicks. Ripley looking for bishop and mourning his death. Ripley mourning her own demise. The prisoners mourning their situation and asking God for forgiveness from their sins. Ripley asking Dillion to kill her. Ripley eventually dying.

 

[Theweepeople]

hehe...fair enough, but consider me one more voucher for him to be added.

LOL. I considered creating an honorable mention section for just Tim Story. Once I see FF2 he will be added to my list.

 

[Theweepeople]

Most of the Alien franchise has been sic-fi/horror, not action.

Two of the films have been sci-fi action. One was a classic sci-fi/horror. Unfortunately, one was a watered down sci-fi/horror movie with too much drama.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Most of the Alien franchise has been sic-fi/horror, not action.

Well, if you look at it in relation to the series

1-we find out about the Alien, we are scared cause we don't know anything about them=horror
2-we need to defend ourselves against it=action

so by 3, we have the choice to go ether way

the choice they made was to make a boring movie about people walking around, when occasionally an alien will chase them

it is nether a horror nor action

I don't think it is too much to ask to fullfill one of the requirments of action or thrills

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't get some people. What's wrong with people liking dumb movies? They may not be very good, but imo, they are much more fun to watch. Isn't entertainment and escapism the whole point of movies?

 

[DorkyFresh]

I don't think it is too much to ask to fullfill one of the requirments of action or thrills

the problem with that is that Alien Ressurection didn't deliver on either. the best action scene in AR was the underwater scene and that wasn't all that "thrilling". the rest of the action was corny, campy, stupid action...


...so there goes your argument. t:

 

[Theweepeople]

I don't get some people. What's wrong with people liking dumb movies? They may not be very good, but imo, they are much more fun to watch. Isn't entertainment and escapism the whole point of movies?

I have no problem with people finding enjoyment in dumb movies. I just find it amusing when these people will go out of their way in trivializing the flaws of dumb movies.

 

[Theweepeople]

the problem with that is that Alien Ressurection didn't deliver on either. the best action scene in AR was the underwater scene and that wasn't all that "thrilling". the rest of the action was corny, campy, stupid action...


...so there goes your argument. t:

Well I still believe both Aliens 3 and 4 sucked but, at least Aliens 4 had characters that were interesting and one action sequence that was okay. Aliens 3 didn't have any action sequences that were good and all of the characters were lame.

 

[Sandman138]

the problem with that is that Alien Ressurection didn't deliver on either. the best action scene in AR was the underwater scene and that wasn't all that "thrilling". the rest of the action was corny, campy, stupid action...


...so there goes your argument. t:

Wrong, the best scene was any scene with Winona Ryder.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

the problem with that is that Alien Ressurection didn't deliver on either. the best action scene in AR was the underwater scene and that wasn't all that "thrilling". the rest of the action was corny, campy, stupid action...


...so there goes your argument. t:

I think the vertical chase was pretty cool

regardless, it has more action than 3 has whatever it was going for


edit: and I by no means think 4 is a great movie, I just think it towers over 3

 

[Theweepeople]

I still can't believe we are debating which horrible film was better. That being said Aliens 4 was not that disappointing because my expectations had already been lowered after seeing how bad Alien 3 turned out. Alien 3 is arguably the worst sequel ever made in consideration to it's predecessor. Did anyone really expect Aliens 4 to be much better? I expected to see a sequel to Alien 3 that was less boring and slightly better. I got what I expected.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Well I still believe both Aliens 3 and 4 sucked but, at least Aliens 4 had characters that were interesting and one action sequence that was okay. Aliens 3 didn't have any action sequences that were good and all of the characters were lame.

AR DID have interesting characters but that's AR's greatest asset. there was Sigourney, Winona, Perlman, and the dude in the wheelchair....everyone else was pretty run of the mill. as for Alien 3, i thought the Alien chase scenes were very well done despite the technological limitations. i was more scared during the Alien chase sequence in Alien 3 than anything in AR. as for the characters, they were all bald-headed inmates but i found the doctor a fascinating character. Dillon, although, undeveloped was still a pretty interesting character and so was 85. everyone else was a blur. that being said...i'd rather watch Alien 3's "boring" dramatic approach over AR's corny, over-the-top action any day. seriously...Ripley kicking a couple of bounty-hunter's asses with a basketball? would that have fit ANYWHERE in Alien or Aliens?

Wrong, the best scene was any scene with Winona Ryder.

i stand corrected...Winona Ryder was probably the best thing about AR.

I think the vertical chase was pretty cool

regardless, it has more action than 3 has whatever it was going for

that's like saying XXX has more action than Se7en. action should NEVER hold precedent over drama, ESPECIALLY if the action doesn't make sense...which 90% of the action in AR didn't.

edit: and I by no means think 4 is a great movie, I just think it towers over 3

if all you're taking into consideration is the action then you'd be right...but you're definitely in the minority opinion in thinking that AR towers of A3 and rightfully so since AR was an atrocity. the Aliens franchise might be a horror franchise but that doesn't mean the movies have to be HORRIBLE like AR was. Alien 3 might not have as much action as Aliens or as much suspense as Alien, but at least does a better job of fitting into the franchise than AR does. AR is more of a parody than part of the saga.

 

[nocomics]

I agree but, I felt all of these feelings towards Alien 3 more than I did towards Aliens 4. First of all Alien 3 had two plotholes in the opening scene that are way too ridiculous to stomach.

Plothole 1 How in the hell did the queen lay an egg in the dropship? She could barely fit in the leg. She was only in the leg for about 10-15 minutes. Even if she had time to grow one of those cocoons in that time period there is no way it would fit inside that space with her.

Plothole 2 What if the queen by some miracle figured out a way to lay an egg on the dropship? Was Ripley too lazy, too tired, or too stupid to check the area of the dropship where the queen hid before going to sleep? Ripley had experienced something similar to this during her first encounter with the creatures. In reality Ripley not only would have checked the dropship but, she would have also done a diagnostic of the ship to be absolutely sure there were no alien life forms.

Plothole 3 What in the hell was the alien doing for the majority of the movie? We saw how effective the creature was at killing the crew in the first film who had decent weapondry to use. The aliens showed they were fairly inteligent in two previous movies. 99% of the characters in Alien lacked the wits, resources, and experience to fight the creature. After being exposed to the prisoners for a few hours the alien must have known they didn't stand a chance against it. Why didn't the creature just slaughter everyone in Alien 3?

In retrospect alien 3 is somewhat of a combination of the first two films. It takes the idea of having just one alien from the first film and the idea of people being stranded on a planet from the second film. The only thing that made Alien 3 unique was the humans didn't have any effective weapons to use this time around. Therefore, most of the few encounters we do see between the alien and humans had action scenes that were either lackluster or confusing.

Lackluster scene:

The decision to kill the alien with the toxic waste is arguably the most bland action sequence in the whole series. The alien was briefly seen during a few seconds of the whole sequence!!!!

Confusing scene:

Why didn't the alien kill only one person(Andrews) in the mess hall? The alien had already killed a few people and must have realized that the humans had no threatening weapons that could be used against it.



The thing that irritates me the most about Alien 3 is it makes Ripley's heroics at the end of Aliens pointless!!! As far as I'm concerned the series with Ripley ended with 2 because Alien 3 had two many plotholes.

This is my take on your Plotholes:
P1: Whos to say one of those facehuggers didn't jump on the ship while they were waiting on ripely? Though some assumption or gives a care is needed,besides there wouldn't of been Alien3 if there wasnt

P2: Well maybe she was too scared out of her mind when the big ass queen showed up on the ship. She probably assumed it didn't have time to lay an egg,and no facehugger could of gotten on the ship anyother way. Again its the assumptions of the character/situation.

P3: Its not the M.O. of the creatures. Like Alien it killed waited,killed waited etc..ALiens there were mass aliens so the gang mentality ruled like anyother creature..I also believed they tried to create that susupence like in Alien. Besides what good would it do if it slaughtered everyone in the cafeteria.
Lackluster scene: I didnt mind killing it with the liquid metal,it was different and it fitted the movies style,crude and barbaric in ways.

Confusing scene: I answered this in P3,its not the aliens method to just do sencless killin's. It kills,rest,kills,rest,etc....Far as alien intellect,not sure how much it can recognize weapons,etc...
*theres gotta be certain assumptions,and situations that suggest something in another,cant explain everything. I know it makes scenes scratch your head,but /shrug its the way it works sometimes..
Quick say on Alien4. Like one poster said it was crappy fun until the hybrid was introduced. That has single handledly the worst lookin creature put on screen,lol. Whoever desinged that needs to have a alien burst out of their chest,along with the director for allowing it.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I still can't believe we are debating which horrible film was better. That being said Aliens 4 was not that disappointing because my expectations had already been lowered after seeing how bad Alien 3 turned out. Alien 3 is arguably the worst sequel ever made in consideration to it's predecessor. Did anyone really expect Aliens 4 to be much better?

Ridley Scott and James Cameron were in talks to make Alien 5 before AVP got made...by that logic, that movie would've been worse than AR. Alien 3 had the disadvantage of coming after a movie that's hard to top even NOW. AR had the advantage of coming after a disappointing movie....yet it STILL managed to disappoint.

I expected to see a sequel to Alien 3 that was less boring and slightly better. I got what I expected.

the only things in AR that were better than Alien 3 were the creature effects, some of the characters, and some of the action. however, by no other means is AR a better movie than A3. the premise, the acting, the script, even the music was better in A3. the producers from of the Alien saga were even interviewed for the special features and most of them admitted that AR shouldn't have been made. that's how bad AR is...