Alien Resurrection: Not That Bad.

[L0ngsh0t]

AR DID have interesting characters but that's AR's greatest asset. there was Sigourney, Winona, Perlman, and the dude in the wheelchair....everyone else was pretty run of the mill. as for Alien 3, i thought the Alien chase scenes were very well done despite the technological limitations. i was more scared during the Alien chase sequence in Alien 3 than anything in AR. as for the characters, they were all bald-headed inmates but i found the doctor a fascinating character. Dillon, although, undeveloped was still a pretty interesting character and so was 85. everyone else was a blur. that being said...i'd rather watch Alien 3's "boring" dramatic approach over AR's corny, over-the-top action any day. seriously...Ripley kicking a couple of bounty-hunter's asses with a basketball? would that have fit ANYWHERE in Alien or Aliens?


i stand corrected...Winona Ryder was probably the best thing about AR.


that's like saying XXX has more action than Se7en. action should NEVER hold precedent over drama, ESPECIALLY if the action doesn't make sense...which 90% of the action in AR didn't.


if all you're taking into consideration is the action then you'd be right...but you're definitely in the minority opinion in thinking that AR towers of A3 and rightfully so since AR was an atrocity. the Aliens franchise might be a horror franchise but that doesn't mean the movies have to be HORRIBLE like AR was. Alien 3 might not have as much action as Aliens or as much suspense as Alien, but at least does a better job of fitting into the franchise than AR does. AR is more of a parody than part of the saga.

Alien 3 is a boring mess, that features no redeemable qualities really, its not entertaining, and the drama is not interesting

 

[L0ngsh0t]

and ya know I'm not saying the action makes up for anything

but if your going to give me crap (A3, A:R) give me crap that is entertaining, cause a bad action movie can be redeemed, a bad drama is worse than paint drying and that is what Alien 3 is

 

[DorkyFresh]

Alien 3 is a boring mess, that features no redeemable qualities really, its not entertaining, and the drama is not interesting

rinse and repeat...

...you quoted my entire post and all you did was recycle your previous comments? you gonna come up with a justifiable argument or you just gonna spout your opinion as if it were cement?

cause a bad action movie can be redeemed

Exit Wounds, Cradle to the Grave....those can be redeemed?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

rinse and repeat...


...you gonna recycle too or are you actually gonna come up with a justifiable argument?


i don't recall anyone trying to redeem XXX or Cradle to the Grave...

Well I am not trying to redeem A:R I am trying to say it is better than A3

Look at it like this

All the kings men(2006) was a terrible drama movie, XXX is a bad action movie (not that bad though just bad) which movie do you hear more people talk about?

XXX why? cause you can get something out of watching XXX, maybe use it as background noise why you do homework, or catch it on tv saturday afternoon before you go out, just lay on your couch and veg out for a hour in a half

bad drama movies are tedious they are boring, they make you mind hurt cause they are supposed to be making your mind work, but it isn't good work like a good drama movie should be it is bad work...it becomes a battle rather than entertainment (which doesn't have to involve guns, just the movie has to be entertaining)

 

[DorkyFresh]

Alien 3 isn't a bad drama though. it's only bad or boring if you don't actually watch it (background noise, killing an hour and a half, etc.)...the same could be said for ANY drama.

just because a movie is EASIER to watch doesn't mean it's a BETTER movie. by that logic, AvP is a better movie than the Abyss. if you prefer to watch AR rather than A3, that's one thing, and you're free to think that way...but claiming AR is a better overall movie than A3 is just bad artistic taste.

 

[Midnhtsun]

A3 vs AR?

Story line in AR was just terrible, the acting on the part of Sigorny weaver was bad, and the majority of the cast was sub par compared to the past movies. Weaver and Ryder are an interesting team both of which are great actors but fail to deliver. Weaver just ran around acting invincible throughout the movie. AR is more of a sci fi channel movie than anything with dozens of cliche and flat characters thrown in just to get the wow factor.

A3 was more story and emotionally driven. Weaver delivered a good performance as Ripley that showed a lot of depth to the character. The supporting cast for the most part displayed a lot better acting abilities, Charles S Dutton for example did a great job with his role. Cliches were minimal on this movie. In all 3 felt like a great closure to the trilogy were as AR did not fell anything like the first 3 it was its own machine that fell short of being half assed.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Alien 3 isn't a bad drama though. it's only bad or boring if you don't actually watch it (background noise, killing an hour and a half, etc.)...the same could be said for ANY drama.

just because a movie is EASIER to watch doesn't mean it's a BETTER movie. by that logic, AvP is a better movie than the Abyss. if you prefer to watch AR rather than A3, that's one thing, and you're free to think that way...but claiming AR is a better overall movie than A3 is just bad artistic taste.

Not at all good sir, I'm saying out of bad movies (which both AR and A3 indeed are) easier to watch makes it a better movie, if its a bad movie and hard to watch then there is no reason to watch it

out of good movies it all depends on the movie I guess, like I would say Aliens is a better movie than the Departed, but Departed is better than say Transformers, and all three are good movies and all three work off different functions but the Departed is story and thematic driven and that is more entertaining than one of the most flawless visual experiences to date, but then I think both don't quite hold up to Aliens

 

[DorkyFresh]

Not at all good sir, I'm saying out of bad movies (which both AR and A3 indeed are) easier to watch makes it a better movie

i wasn't saying A3 or AR are good movies....i said just because it's EASIER to watch (than the other movie) doesn't mean it's a BETTER movie(than the other movie). Fast and Furious may be EASIER to watch than Insomnia but that doesn't mean it's a BETTER movie. AR may be EASIER to watch than A3 but that doesn't mean it's BETTER.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

i wasn't saying A3 or AR are good movies....i said just because it's EASIER to watch (than the other movie) doesn't mean it's a BETTER movie(than the other movie). Fast and Furious may be EASIER to watch than Insomnia but that doesn't mean it's a BETTER movie. AR may be EASIER to watch than A3 but that doesn't mean it's BETTER.

Your analogy is flawed cause Insomnia rules, of course its a better movie, cause it is actually an awesome movie where as fast and furious is a completely average movie

Alien R, and Alien 3 are both terrible movies (both of which are actually worse than Fast and Furious), and if I am going to sit through them they may as well feature some form of entertainment to make the awfulness easier to swallow

 

[DorkyFresh]

it's not flawed...you just don't like it cuz it doesn't support your opinion.

 

[livrule]

Not at all good sir, I'm saying out of bad movies (which both AR and A3 indeed are) easier to watch makes it a better movie, if its a bad movie and hard to watch then there is no reason to watch it

out of good movies it all depends on the movie I guess, like I would say Aliens is a better movie than the Departed, but Departed is better than say Transformers, and all three are good movies and all three work off different functions but the Departed is story and thematic driven and that is more entertaining than one of the most flawless visual experiences to date, but then I think both don't quite hold up to Aliens

t: t: t:

Damn I hope this is just a wind-up!!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

it's not flawed...you just don't like it cuz it doesn't support your opinion.

this was a terrible retort that didn't address anything I just wrote so I am going to have to write it again

You say "If that is your logic than how come Fast and the Furious isn't better than Insomnia cause it is easier to watch"

it is flawed because of this, Insomnia is a much better better movie than Fast and the Furious, AR, and A3 are both terrible movies (both of which are worse than FF) where as Insomnia is a really good movie, and FF is okay

like I said in a post even earlier, if you give me good vs good, I will take whatever movie is actually better, easy watch aside, if you are asking me to comparing **** like AR and A3 I will take which ever movie is more entertaining

here is another analogy that works

People to this day still talk about Friday the 13th pt 8 (takes manhattan), they still talk about Kickboxer, Commando is always on tv, Tango and Cash is on TV all the time, Demolition Man is always on tv, Delta Force is on TV and in pop culture every now and then

when's the last time you hear anyone say anything about Heaven's Gate? or the Postman? these are serious movies that blow, and have no redeeming qualities, the before mentioned ones at least carry something with them that you I would put Alien 3 in this category, and Alien Resurrection in the other

with good movies I will take the better movie weather that be one with guns, aliens, romance, courtroom, whatever, when its good v good I will take whatever makes a better movie, but when it is bad v bad, you better give me a reason to watch your crap stink or else there is no reason I even bother and that is what Alien 3 is

 

[Midnhtsun]

this was a terrible retort that didn't address anything I just wrote so I am going to have to write it again

You say "If that is your logic than how come Fast and the Furious isn't better than Insomnia cause it is easier to watch"

it is flawed because of this, Insomnia is a much better better movie than Fast and the Furious, AR, and A3 are both terrible movies (both of which are worse than FF) where as Insomnia is a really good movie, and FF is okay

like I said in a post even earlier, if you give me good vs good, I will take whatever movie is actually better, easy watch aside, if you are asking me to comparing **** like AR and A3 I will take which ever movie is more entertaining

here is another analogy that works

People to this day still talk about Friday the 13th pt 8 (takes manhattan), they still talk about Kickboxer, Commando is always on tv, Tango and Cash is on TV all the time, Demolition Man is always on tv, Delta Force is on TV and in pop culture every now and then

when's the last time you hear anyone say anything about Heaven's Gate? or the Postman? these are serious movies that blow, and have no redeeming qualities, the before mentioned ones at least carry something with them that you I would put Alien 3 in this category, and Alien Resurrection in the other

with good movies I will take the better movie weather that be one with guns, aliens, romance, courtroom, whatever, when its good v good I will take whatever makes a better movie, but when it is bad v bad, you better give me a reason to watch your crap stink or else there is no reason I even bother and that is what Alien 3 is

I think what Dorky is trying to say is just because you find A3 boring doesnt just make A3 a bad movie.

Although yes AR might be easier to watch in comparison, AR is a much less quality movie compared to A3

IMO: the only redeeming quality of AR is that it has more action, but A3 ranks much higher in quality in many areas.

 

[livrule]

I think what Dorky is trying to say is just because you find A3 boring doesnt just make A3 a bad movie.

Although yes AR might be easier to watch in comparison, AR is a much less quality movie compared to A3

IMO: the only redeeming quality of AR is that it has more action, but A3 ranks much higher in quality in many areas.

Amen. Finally some sanity.

 

[Midnhtsun]

Amen. Finally some sanity.

Thanks I try t:

 

[Theweepeople]

Although yes AR might be easier to watch in comparison, AR is a much less quality movie compared to A3.

All by itself I agree that Alien 3 is a better film than AR. The main problem I have with Alien 3 is that it is a crappy aliens film. I wasn't expecting Alien 3 to be better than Aliens. However, I didn't think Fox would put barely any effort into making this film thereby, destroying the franchise. What was the point of making a mediocre film that most people hate?

The reason Alien 3 was and will always be the worst movie in the aliens series for me is because it killed the franchise. AR was crappy and was definitely an unnecessary film but, it was not responsible for the
destruction of the series.

 

[co2]

I'll be honest. I tried watching AR a couple of years ago and all I got was a headache. I actually remember thinking to myself "this is hard to sit through". I had rented the dual disk version (the stand alone version from the quadrilogy) because I am an Alien and Aliens fan and was curious to see the extras...so I sat through till the end out of curiosity, but guys...it was a real struggle.
By comparison I had also rented A3 to watch the assembly cut for that release, and I had a much higher opinion of the film from when I originally saw it. I gladly accept A3 as part of the Alien saga, but just have a real hard time with AR. Great concept for a sequel..just overwhelmingly poor in execution.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

 

[Theweepeople]

This is my take on your Plotholes:
P1: Whos to say one of those facehuggers didn't jump on the ship while they were waiting on ripely? Though some assumption or gives a care is needed,besides there wouldn't of been Alien3 if there wasnt

This is not a valid answer because there clearly was an egg on the dropship that the facehugger came out of in Alien 3.

P2: Well maybe she was too scared out of her mind when the big ass queen showed up on the ship. She probably assumed it didn't have time to lay an egg,and no facehugger could of gotten on the ship anyother way.

This is the most pathetic answer I've ever heard for this question. After the queen was killed we get a final scene of Ripley and everyone preparing to go to sleep. If Ripley was so scared out of her mind why does she look so calm and confident at the end? It's because she had a clear conscience. She couldn't have had this if she hadn't spent time checking to be 100% sure no alien life forms were on board.

In retrospect it doesn't matter how you answered plothole#2 because you never properly addressed plothole 1.

Again its the assumptions of the character/situation.

Yep. Based on Ripley's resourcefulness and experience she would have done what I suggested.

P3: Its not the M.O. of the creatures. Like Alien it killed waited.

Actually, the Alien killed and run away because it was small and vunerable.

killed waited.

Actually, it killed and was probably eating Brett because his body disappeared. Once again no waiting.

ALiens there were mass aliens so the gang mentality ruled like anyother creature.

That makes sense. Just like the behavior of the creature in Alien. The creatures actions can easily be understood.

Besides what good would it do if it slaughtered everyone in the cafeteria.

Well, for one thing I wouldn't have to watch the rest of the film which was difficult to watch without coffee. Furthermore, the creatures in Alien and Aliens had more of a pattern to their behavior. The creature in Alien 3 was quite puzzling to say the least. The creature's decision to basically slaughter everyone it came in contact with except Ripley was quite baffling considering that the queen would need food and human hosts.

Lackluster scene: I didnt mind killing it with the liquid metal,it was different and it fitted the movies style,crude and barbaric in ways.

I'm not talking about the hot lead. I'm talking about the scene were the prisoners tried to use the toxic chemicals on the creature. That scene was lackluster because the alien was only in the scene for at most 3 seconds. After the alien killed the prisoner with the flare that starts the chemical fire all we see is explosions. This was the most lackluster action scene of the aliens series for me.

Confusing scene: I answered this in P3,its not the aliens method to just do sencless killin's.

The Alien acted pretty darn senseless in Alien 3 inspite of it not wanting to hurt Ripley because she carried a queen. The alien killed something like 20 guys in a few minutes during the tunnel chase scenes. Those scenes were the epitome of senseless violence. The alien didn't kill and rest. It barely stopped to even eat during that scene. Killing all of those people made no sense because once the queen was born she wouldn't have any hosts for her face huggers. Then after killing basically everyone the alien looked as though it was going to kill Ripley after it jumped out of the hot lead?!!! The alien in alien 3 was either stupid or a senseless killing machine.

 

[DorkyFresh]

this was a terrible retort that didn't address anything I just wrote so I am going to have to write it again

when it is bad v bad, you better give me a reason to watch your crap stink or else there is no reason I even bother and that is what Alien 3 is

so basically what you're saying is that, by default, action automatically makes a movie better than a movie with no action regardless of whether the movie is good or bad. i definitely don't agree with that...

I think what Dorky is trying to say is just because you find A3 boring doesnt just make A3 a bad movie.

sorta...i think just because films are A.D.D. friendly that doesn't mean it's better than a film that requires attention to watch...regardless of whether the films in comparison are good, mediocre, bad or across the board.

 

[DorkyFresh]

The reason Alien 3 was and will always be the worst movie in the aliens series for me is because it killed the franchise. AR was crappy and was definitely an unnecessary film but, it was not responsible for the
destruction of the series.

to me the Alien Saga is sort of like the Burton/Schumacher Batman series. the first movie was awesome, the second movie lived up to the first one (less so for Batman), the third one was a bullet and the fourth was the nail in the coffin.

the way i see it, Alien 3 was Alien's way of signing out since there was no possible way you could get any better than Alien or Aliens w/out a director like Scott or Cameron. it was meant to be the conclusion of the Alien series, making it the depressing movie it is. it was to be the last time we'd see Aliens on the big screen for a while. not necessarily forever, but at least for Ripley's tale. they could've waited a decade and decided to give it another go (in 2002) and started fresh, fully energized, and with a clean slate....but instead they opted to drag Ripley's story into the mud. the way i see it...A3 didn't KILL the series, A3 only put it to rest. AR killed the series...

 

[Theweepeople]

the way i see it...A3 didn't KILL the series, A3 only put it to rest. AR killed the series...

That's an interesting perspective to take but, it is flawed. You can't kill something that is already put to rest. Therefore, Alien 3 still did more damage to the series than AR. Regardless of whether a sequel to A3 was unnecessary or not most of the damage done to the series was irreversible after A3.

 

[bullets]

alien 3 and alien ressurection are definately the weaker sequels but they are definately not along the lines of god awful , they may not be great but they arent worse than the direct to video sequels of other franchises. i think they have more quality and we will see a new alien movie down the road .

 

[Theweepeople]

I'll be honest. I tried watching AR a couple of years ago and all I got was a headache. I actually remember thinking to myself "this is hard to sit through". I had rented the dual disk version (the stand alone version from the quadrilogy) because I am an Alien and Aliens fan and was curious to see the extras...so I sat through till the end out of curiosity, but guys...it was a real struggle.
By comparison I had also rented A3 to watch the assembly cut for that release, and I had a much higher opinion of the film from when I originally saw it. I gladly accept A3 as part of the Alien saga, but just have a real hard time with AR. Great concept for a sequel..just overwhelmingly poor in execution.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

I can totally relate to the way you felt about AR. I got a headache too. I have not seen the assembly cut of A3. Even if it's better than the theatrical release it still doesn't appear to be a worthy sequel to Aliens. The only thing I liked about the film was the environment. There are still too many things about this film that I dislike.

One acquaintance told me while watching Alien 3 people in the theater booed when it was revealed that all of Ripley's friends had died in the crash. I'm so glad my friends were unable to sucker me into seeing Alien 3 in the theaters because deep down inside I knew it was going to suck.

 

[co2]

One acquaintance told me while watching Alien 3 people in the theater booed when it was revealed that all of Ripley's friends had died in the crash. I'm so glad my friends were unable to sucker me into seeing Alien 3 in the theaters because deep down inside I knew it was going to suck.

I think killing off the previous characters is a pretty ballsy move on the part of the film makers. If that is someone's reason for disliking it, that person is being pretty closed minded.
The biggest problem is Aliens had such a rousing, satisfying ending that it is just akward for people to switch gears and go back to or even beyond the mood of the first film, which is what A3 did. When you watch it as it's own film without comparing, it stands on it's own.

 

[Theweepeople]

I think killing off the previous characters is a pretty ballsy move on the part of the film makers. If that is someone's reason for disliking it, that person is being pretty closed minded.

So this acquaintance and all the people who booed are closed minded? I think they and I were all ticked off because those deaths made Ripley's heroics at the end of Aliens pointless. You call Fox's decision ballsy. I call it a lazy way of writing important characters out of a series.

The biggest problem is Aliens had such a rousing, satisfying ending that it is just akward for people to switch gears and go back to or even beyond the mood of the first film, which is what A3 did. When you watch it as it's own film without comparing, it stands on it's own.

Yes, I have already said that all by itself it is a mediocre movie but, A3 makes a terrible Aliens film. People call AR unnecessary but, I thought A3 was also unnecessary. The series could have ended on a perfect note with Aliens. If Fox didn't want to continue making alien movies with Ripley's storyline they didn't need to write her character out of the script with a boring and depressing film that couldn't even capture the mood of the first film.