Alien Resurrection: Not That Bad.

[bullets]

So this acquaintance and all the people who booed are closed minded? I think they and I were all ticked off because those deaths made Ripley's heroics at the end of Aliens pointless. You call Fox's decision ballsy. I call it a lazy way of writing important characters out of a series.

i agree this was a bad move on the whole

 

[Kritish]

Wait the host in Alien 3 was supposed to be an ox? I'm glad they decided to change it to a dog.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

so basically what you're saying is that, by default, action automatically makes a movie better than a movie with no action regardless of whether the movie is good or bad. i definitely don't agree with that...

I never said that, however bad actions or comedies are much better than bad dramas

good movies, well it depends Good Will Hunting=great movie, better than say T2 which has lots of action in it

 

[Midnhtsun]

All by itself I agree that Alien 3 is a better film than AR. The main problem I have with Alien 3 is that it is a crappy aliens film. I wasn't expecting Alien 3 to be better than Aliens. However, I didn't think Fox would put barely any effort into making this film thereby, destroying the franchise. What was the point of making a mediocre film that most people hate?

The reason Alien 3 was and will always be the worst movie in the aliens series for me is because it killed the franchise. AR was crappy and was definitely an unnecessary film but, it was not responsible for the
destruction of the series.

Ill give you that A3 marked the decline of the franchise, but I wouldnt say it killed it, it killed Ripley that put an end to her story. It was AR that put the nail in the coffin and killed the franchise.

 

[Midnhtsun]

I never said that, however bad actions or comedies are much better than bad dramas

good movies, well it depends Good Will Hunting=great movie, better than say T2 which has lots of action in it

I think at this point we are comparing apples to oranges. Unless you two are debating cinematography, acting, special effects, and so on you are just arguing opinions.

Action vs. Drama = Apples vs. Oranges

 

[DorkyFresh]

That's an interesting perspective to take but, it is flawed.

another person bringing up the "flawed" card just cuz it doesn't agree with their opinion. i think that's a "flawed" way of thinking...

You can't kill something that is already put to rest. Therefore, Alien 3 still did more damage to the series than AR. Regardless of whether a sequel to A3 was unnecessary or not most of the damage done to the series was irreversible after A3.

true...without A3 we wouldn't have had AR, without AR we wouldn't have had AvP. i don't think you should call A3 worse than AR just because it derailed the series, because if A3 hadn't then AR would've made sure of that. besides...even after AR, Ridley Scott and James Cameron still wanted to revive the franchise. if the series had just ended on A3 it would've been easier for Scott and Cameron to revive the series but since AR brought the series down to the point where it made it okay to have another crummy action parody of the aliens we were blessed with AvP.

 

[Theweepeople]

another person bringing up the "flawed" card just cuz it doesn't agree with their opinion. i think that's a "flawed" way of thinking....

I didn't just state an opinion. I explained to you why I still believe your reasoning is flawed. Why won't you give me a counter argument for what is wrong with my explanation?

true...without A3 we wouldn't have had AR,without AR we wouldn't have had AvP.

I totally disagree with this. The AvP storyline has virtually nothing to do with the first 4 movies. It was made 9 years after AR so it sucking has nothing to do with A3 or AR. It has everything to do with Tom Rothman and Fox being cheap idiots who like hiring hack director for most of their sci-fi films.

i don't think you should call A3 worse than AR just because it derailed the series,

I'm not just calling A3 worse just because it derailed the series. As I said before the movie has too many plotholes, it's boring, has a much weaker storyline than the previous films, and characters that were almost interchangeable. I've provided many reasons for why I think A3 is worse than AR. Of course what you quoted is definitely the biggest reason the film sucked for me because it caused the most damaged to the franchise.

because if A3 hadn't then AR would've made sure of that..

Like I said before A3's crappy storyline guaranteed that a sequel would suck. It's not AR's fault that it was being made after one of the worst sequels ever made.

besides...even after AR, Ridley Scott and James Cameron still wanted to revive the franchise. if the series had just ended on A3 it would've been easier for Scott and Cameron to revive the series but since AR brought the series down to the point where it made it okay to have another crummy action parody of the aliens we were blessed with AvP.

It was easier to revive the franchise with a dead Ripley? A3 brought the series down to the level of an aliens movie with no action, no suspense, and no interesting characters.

 

[Midnhtsun]

Im seeing two groups

Group 1 Those who are easily bored with dialog and that lash out against movies that are heavy in dialog and story and just want to be entertained with action with the minimum amount of thinking required. This group often likes flat characters with one liners and no character development

Group 2 Those who like to think during a movie, those that are able to follow a storyline without the need of gunfire and explosions every 5min. This group tends to like characters that are a bit more round and that show some depth.

By the way there is the difference between both movies.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I didn't just state an opinion. I explained to you why I still believe your reasoning is flawed. Why won't you give me a counter argument for what is wrong with my explanation?

because saying someone's reasoning is flawed is basically the same thing is someone's opinion is wrong and because there was nothing wrong with your explanation....i just don't agree with it. besides...i provided my counter-argument with the rest of the post...

I totally disagree with this. The AvP storyline has virtually nothing to do with the first 4 movies. It was made 9 years after AR so it sucking has nothing to do with A3 or AR.

first off...i didn't mention anything about AvP's storyline, i was talking about the movie as a whole. second...AvP was released in 2004 while AR was released in 1997, that's a 7 year difference...not 9 years. the point i was trying to make was that Alien 3 was meant to closing movie for the trilogy. it was meant to clean the slate for future potential alien flicks, so they could start with a fresh story instead of expanding and dragging Ripley's story. A3 wasn't as good as the first 2, of course, but AR lowered the Alien Saga to a whole new level....a level that Scott and Cameron didn't want the series to become. if you took Ripley, Winona, Perlman, and the aliens from AR and replaced them with some of the characters and monsters from DOOM you'd assentially have the same movie. more fun to watch, yes, but not necessarily a BETTER movie.

I'm not just calling A3 worse just because it derailed the series. As I said before the movie has too many plotholes, it's boring, has a much weaker storyline than the previous films, and characters that were almost interchangeable. I've provided many reasons for why I think A3 is worse than AR. Of course what you quoted is definitely the biggest reason the film sucked for me because it caused the most damaged to the franchise.

i agree with the plot holes, weak story, and interchangeable characters...but it had a strong premise and style with convincing acting and actions along with great character development. those are things that AR did not have. if you're holding plotholes and a weak story against Alien 3 then why aren't you doing the same for AR?

Like I said before A3's crappy storyline guaranteed that a sequel would suck. It's not AR's fault that it was being made after one of the worst sequels ever made.

but it's AR's fault that the Alien's series was reduced to "DOOM" type movies ala AR and AvP, corny action flicks. not to mention, as i said before, if A3 didn't kill the series then AR surely would have.

It was easier to revive the franchise with a dead Ripley? A3 brought the series down to the level of an aliens movie with no action, no suspense, and no interesting characters.

it would've been easier to revive the Alien franchise with a clean slate. a new lead character that isn't exposed to the Aliens the way Ripley was. Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 were all movies that were realistic in the sense that Ripley was very vulnerable to these creatures and didn't always get her way. after she escaped in AR she walked through the whole movie practically unscathed save for the moment she sees her clones. A3 was a realistic closing for a realistic trilogy.....AR is a clusterf*** of ridiculous events that are hard to swallow. A3 might not've had much action or pizazz but at least it had more respect for the franchise than to introduce a white alien/human hybrid that practically called Ripley "mommy". talk about plot holes....

 

[Midnhtsun]

So what your saying Dorky is Alien Ressurection is what Beneath Planet of the Apes and every Sequel there after was to the planet of the Apes Franchise...

 

[DorkyFresh]

no comment...i've never seen any of the Planet of the Apes sequels/spin-offs, but if what i've been hearing about those movies is true then yeah...i suppose they would be.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Im seeing two groups

Group 1 Those who are easily bored with dialog and that lash out against movies that are heavy in dialog and story and just want to be entertained with action with the minimum amount of thinking required. This group often likes flat characters with one liners and no character development

Group 2 Those who like to think during a movie, those that are able to follow a storyline without the need of gunfire and explosions every 5min. This group tends to like characters that are a bit more round and that show some depth.

By the way there is the difference between both movies.

This would be fair if Alien 3 could muster up anything that resembles a movie that makes you think or any interesting story without gunfire, than this would be a fair statment

but since it doesn't I think this is one of the most unfair statements ever, I love great dialouge and storylines, and I love gunfire and action....but a movie with bad dialouge and storylines can be saved by sweet characters, gunfire and action (Alien R)....where as a movie with bad action etc, can't be saved by a movie with a boring story and dialouge (alien 3)

see alien 3 might be a drama, but just because it is that doesn't mean its story and dialouge and characters are good....it was terrible, all just as bad as what Alien R features, the difference?? Alien R has some cool characters and some decent action, which is why I think Alien R towers over Alien 3

if Alien 3 actually had a good story, and good characters, just it didn't have any action...I can buy that...but the story is terrible, until the self sacrifice at the end which is head and shoulders the best part in the movie, nothing happens, nothing.

 

[Marvolo]

I like AR better than A3.

 

[Midnhtsun]

This would be fair if Alien 3 could muster up anything that resembles a movie that makes you think or any interesting story without gunfire, than this would be a fair statment

but since it doesn't I think this is one of the most unfair statements ever, I love great dialouge and storylines, and I love gunfire and action....but a movie with bad dialouge and storylines can be saved by sweet characters, gunfire and action (Alien R)....where as a movie with bad action etc, can't be saved by a movie with a boring story and dialouge (alien 3)

see alien 3 might be a drama, but just because it is that doesn't mean its story and dialouge and characters are good....it was terrible, all just as bad as what Alien R features, the difference?? Alien R has some cool characters and some decent action, which is why I think Alien R towers over Alien 3

if Alien 3 actually had a good story, and good characters, just it didn't have any action...I can buy that...but the story is terrible, until the self sacrifice at the end which is head and shoulders the best part in the movie, nothing happens, nothing.

So what happens in AR?
Ripley comes back super Ripley
Ripley plays baseketball
Horribly cheesey background actors get killed
Guy in wheel chair kills alien
Ripley has an orgy with a bunch of aliens
Crappy ending leaving it open for sequel

The funny thing though has anyone realized yet all we are arguing is which pile of crap is stacked higher?

 

[livrule]

So what happens in AR?
Ripley comes back super Ripley
Ripley plays baseketball
Horribly cheesey background actors get killed
Guy in wheel chair kills alien
Ripley has an orgy with a bunch of aliens
Crappy ending leaving it open for sequel

The funny thing though has anyone realized yet all we are arguing is which pile of crap is stacked higher?

I think we have reached the point where this thread needs to die.

I love great dialouge and storylines, and I love gunfire and action....but a movie with bad dialouge and storylines can be saved by sweet characters, gunfire and action (Alien R)....where as a movie with bad action etc, can't be saved by a movie with a boring story and dialouge (alien 3)

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

 

[Theweepeople]

I think we have reached the point where this thread needs to die.

I wholeheartedly agree. I think the opinions are amusing but, it is quite ridiculous that we are still arguing over which horrible Aliens film was slightly less horrible. I also, can't believe someone would suggest that anyone who likes AR a little bit more only likes movies with little dialogue, story, and all action. One of my favorite films is PI and that had a lot of dialogue and not much action. Some of my least favorite films are Jackie Chan movies because virtually every one has mindless action, silly dialogue, and no plot.

There is nothing that anyone can say that will change my mind about how much worse A3 is than AR. Both sides have stated their arguments. Both sides have valid arguments. Both sides should agree to disagree.

 

[turtlefocker]

Alien 3 kicks assssssssssss

Alien 3 was a butchered masterpiece the Assembly cut added many many things:

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EEV Crash
The scene of Ripley being rescued at the beginning is completely different. Originally, Clemens finds her lying on the shore near the EEV and then takes her into the prison. A group of prisoners head down to the beach with Oxen to get the EEV out of the water. This whole sequence was reshot to have footage with the dog instead. (Read the Alien's Host deleted scene). In the theatrical version Ripley is discovered still inside her cryogenic unit inside the EEV. In the theatrical version, there were shots of some prisoners examining the escape pod, including a shot of a facehugger crawling towards the dog and an optical shot of the EEV being carried out of the water by a crane.

Dillon's Speech
Following the rescue sequence, 85 tells everyone in the mess hall to settle down, and Dillon preaches before Andrews' first 'rumour control.' The theatrical version started the scene with Andrews' rumour control.

Entering the Morgue
Just before the autopsy of Newt, there is a scene with Clemens, Ripley, and Prisoner Kevin walking down the spiral stairs into the morgue where Clemens questions Ripley about her need to certain Newt's death. Clemens asks, "Is there a particular reason that you're so insistent?" Ripley replies, "Yes, I have to be sure how she died." He continues, "I hate to be repetitious about such a sensitive subject, but it's perfectly clear that she drowned." As the two walk across the room, he asks, "Was she your daughter?" She responds, "No, she wasn't."

Alien's Host
In the assembly cut, the alien emerges from an ox instead of a dog. There is a scene where two inmates are dragging an ox named Babe into the butchery after it had suddenly dropped dead. They discuss what caused Babe's death, and there's some macho talk about Ripley. The scene ends when one of the inmates discovers a strange dead animal nearby the dead ox (which is a dead facehugger). This scene replaces the scene in the theatrical version where Murphy finds his wounded dog. The funeral scene is also now intercut with scenes of the Alien bursting from the dead ox rather than the dog, ending with an especially made digital shot of the Alien running off.

The ox was originally shot first on the film. The crew designed the scenes, built the slaughterhouse set, sculpted the animatronic ox, constructed the chestburster, and filmed all of the scenes before they filmed any of the real ox. When they brought on the real ox, it wouldn't do anything. Director David Fincher and the FX team scrapped the ox in favour of an easily trainable dog.

Discussing Golic
Just before Ripley enters the mess Hall with her newly shaved head after the funeral, Prisoners Boggs and Rains share their complaints to Dillon about Prisoner Golic. They say he is crazy and smells bad, and that they don't want to work with him in the tunnels. Dillon says "Well, he's going with you. Golic is just another poor, miserable, suffering son of a *****, just like you and me." and that they have no choice in the matter.

Ripley & Dillon
The scene in which Ripley and Dillon talk about temptations in the cafeteria ends on a shot of Dillon, where it originally ended on Ripley.

Cremating the Bodies
Following Murphy's death, there is more dialog between Ripley and Clemens about why they had to cremate the bodies.

Remembering Murphy
Right after the scene where Ripley asks Clemens where the Bishop droid is, there is a scene where Dillon sees Boggs, Rains, and Golic, off on their excursion into the tunnels. Dillon tells Golic, "Light a candle for Murphy, will you?" Golic replies, "I'll light a thousand." Then they go off into the tunnel.

Ripley's Identity
Straight after the previous scene there is the scene where Andrews and Clemens meet to discuss Ripley. It has a completely new beginning, where the theatrical version begins with Andrews threatening Clemens, and ends with Andrews telling Clemens to "sit the hell down." There is additional dialog here where Clemens Andrews that Ripley was part of a combat team; Andrews eventually just tells Clemens to get out.

Golic's Cigarettes
Golic kicks open an old cigarette machine in the tunnel to get free cigarette packs.

Golic's Deranged State
During Ripley's conversation with the reconnected Bishop, there are intercut scenes of Golic being found in the mess hall by Eric, the cook. He walks up to him and Golic turns around smiling. His face is still smeared with blood from his previous encounter with the Alien, and Eric drops his dishes in shock. A little bit later, Golic is grabbed by the others (Clemens, 85, Andrews, and Dillon) and dragged to the infirmary.

Golic in the Infirmary
The scene in the infirmary where Ripley and Clemens talk has a new opening shot in which the camera begins with a medium shot of Golic, then tracks through the hospital room. Later on in the scene, a tied up Golic interrupts with a few lines about how in an insane world, an sane man must appear to be insane; Clemens sarcastically thanks him. Golic spies on Ripley and Clemens talking by looking under the curtain. The alien drops from the air vent into the infirmary and lands on the mattress next to him causing it to 'lower'. There are more shots of it approaching, and Ripley sees its feet through the bottom of the curtains. There is also a shot of the alien opening its mouth before killing Clemens. After the alien kills Clemens, and Ripley runs out of the infirmary, there is a close-up of Golic admiring the alien, he calls it "magnificent." Followed by a shot of a large amount of blood dripping from the grate through which Clemens was hauled by the Alien.

Dillon's Prayer
In the mess hall, Dillon leads a prayer and then condemns the prisoners for what has been going on (such as the attempted rape and the death of Murphy, Boggs, and Rains) as Ripley runs down the hallway. Andrews takes over and the scene goes on as originally shown.

Morse Challenging Ripley
A new shot where the prisoner mopping up Andrews' blood. He looks up at the air vent and there's an overheard shot. This is followed by a new scene where Dillon preaches to the prisoners after Andrews' death. In the same scene after Morse says they should take Ripley's head and "bash it through the ****ing wall," Ripley replies "That sounds good to me..."

Alien's Entrapment
There are several extra shots in the scene where the inmates set the trap in the tunnel, including one with two inmates checking a pile of batteries, to see if there are some with enough electricity for Aaron's flashlight to work. Ripley looks exhausted while on paintbrush detail and shrugs it off, and Dillon shows concern. As the explosions in the corridors are going off, there are many new shots of prisoners in the air vents engulfed in the flames and falling out of the vents, as well as 85 running away from a burning prisoner. Dillon tries to activate the sprinkler to no effect.

One of the prisoners is hurt badly and Ripley is trying to help him. The prisoner's friend Junior looks fearfully at her as she realizes both of them attacked her. The group runs for the spare sprinkler activator. The alien crawls down from the ceiling as the others try to lure it away. Junior is near the Toxic Waste room and sees a chance to trap the alien and runs into the room, causing the alien to run in after him and sacrificing his life. Ripley and Dillon lock the doors and the sounds of the alien killing him are heard outside. Dillon turns on the sprinklers. After finally putting out the fires, there are several new shots in the montage of prisoners walking through the wreckage of the hallways, and a scene where Dillon is leading a prayer for those who sacrificed themselves and died.

Ripley and 85
During Dillon's prayer in the previous scene, the camera moves up to Ripley and 85 and they talk about religion. 85 says that the company will arrive to kill the trapped alien with smart guns. Ripley asks him what if they won't kill it.

Golic's Escape
Immediately following the previous scene, there is a scene where Morse is guarding Golic in the infirmary. Golic asks Morse to untie him. Morse reluctantly unties him, and after Golic asks him, tells him where the alien is trapped. Golic knocks him out and hurries out of the room.

Company's Message
Next, there is a scene where 85 and Ripley are sending a transmission to the company about the trapped alien and Ripley, testing the company's intentions, requests permission to terminate the alien. The company quickly replies and tells them not to do anything to the alien, confirming Ripley's suspicions.

Alien's Liberation
Golic arrives at the Toxic waste dump and tells the prisoner guarding the door he must talk to the creature. The prisoner shrugs him off and suddenly Golic slits his throat and opens the door, telling the alien he'll do anything he wants. Golic screams as the alien attacks and the alien escapes.

Company Discussion
Ripley tells Dillon about the company's plans to keep the alien alive and Dillon says he doesn't care. Ripley insists that innocent people will die and Dillon tells him that the world outside does not exist for them. Morse rushes in and tells them he has bad news.

How to Proceed
Following on from the previous scene, Ripley, Dillon, and Morse along with 85 go to the dump where 85 blames Morse for Golic's actions. Some of this scene was re-edited to make it follow the explosion sequence in the theatrical version.

Moving to the Furnace
There's a new scene in the assembly hall, after Ripley discovers she is carrying an Alien. The prisoners are arguing about the course of action to be taken; now that the Alien is free again, there is nothing stopping it from attacking them anywhere in the complex. One of the prisoners lights a match for his cigarette, which reminds all others of the Alien's fear of fire. They all decide to move to the furnace area immediately.

Motivating the Prisoners
During the scene where the remaining prisoners are meeting to discuss Dillon and Ripley's plan to terminate the alien, there are expanded dialog scenes concerning Dillon telling them they have a choice to get even with the creature for destroying the others. Ripley then questions 85's statements that the rescue team is on its way. The scene ends with Dillon saying "You're all going to die. This is as good a place as any to take your first steps to heaven. Only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet or on your ****in' knees beggin'? I ain't much for beggin'. Nobody ever gave me nothin'. So I say, **** that thing, let's fight it!"

Ripley's Death
There is more dialog when Bishop II confronts Ripley as he refers to the malignancy inside her and the great courage she has shown. There is also an added scene where the Asian medic explains the procedure to remove the alien from Ripley. When 85 hits Bishop II with the pipe there is an additional moment which Bishop II can be seen in pain and wiping blood from his face. He shouts "I'm not a droid!" After this, Bishop sees one of his crew-members with a camera trying to film Ripley, and he tells the man with the camera, "No pictures!" Several shots of Ripley preparing for her jump, as she looks hesitant and nervous. She looks at Bishop and says "You're crazy." right before she jumps. Ripley's death scene is a completely alternate take: In the theatrical version, as Ripley fell, the alien queen burst out of her chest, here she simply falls into the lead. Her body can be seen burning up just before it hits the lead.

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The theatrical cut may be nearing the level of forgettable botch-job but the assembly cut is a true masterpiece and perfect end to the Alien TRILOGY

 

[Bat Attack]

I hated the whole thing.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I went against my word & watched this. What....a...piece....of....crap. The whole human/alien had to be the worst idea/desighn ever! I only likked the end with Ripley finally getting back to Earth. I'm never gonna watch Alien 3. In my mind Aliens ended the series & Ripley, Hicks, Newt & Bishop landed on Earth & they lived happily ever after...no more aliens, no more anything. No face hugger on the ship, just happy. Alien 3 must of been a huge slap in the face to Cameron.

 

[Bat-Mite]

There are very few movies that I like more than the Alien movies. I just can't get enough of 'em. And while I find AR to be an enjoyable movie, I can't think of it as a true Alien movie because of the silly tone (things like the guy picking up a piece of his brain and looking at it before he dies... so stupid). I wasn't that fond of Alien 3 either, until I saw the Assembly Cut and that totally changed my perspective on it. I think AR could have been a great movie if given the right director. Too bad bad that Jeunet decided to spit in the faces of the fans with his campy approach. This movie is the Batman and Robin of the Alien franchise.

 

[danoyse]

So this acquaintance and all the people who booed are closed minded? I think they and I were all ticked off because those deaths made Ripley's heroics at the end of Aliens pointless. You call Fox's decision ballsy. I call it a lazy way of writing important characters out of a series.

I think I was the one who told you about the people booing.

I saw it opening night, it was sold out, and people in the audience booed when they learned Newt had died.

And I agree with you, it had nothing to do with being closed minded. That was no ballsy move to kill them off...anyone can kill off a character, or in the case of Alien 3, toss away a character like they did with Newt and Hicks. Or even worse, the "look! we're cutting open the kid from the last movie!" autopsy scene.

Newt wasn't just some brat kid, she was everything Ripley fought for. I never liked that added scene on the DVD where we found out that Ripley had lost her own daughter--it just turned Newt into a replacement daughter. Without that scene, Ripley saw herself in Newt, they were both survivors. As long as she could save Newt, she could save herself, and she did.

You also have to understand that Aliens was released at a time of male-dominated action heroes...Rambo, the Terminator, etc. Aliens brought this absolutely kick*ss woman hero front and center...and she was a mother figure protecting her child.

It was brilliantly done...and I saw Aliens twice in the theater, people rooted for those characters, and we hated that the first 5 minutes of Alien 3 just tossed all of that out.

Alien was a movie that probably never needed a sequel. We wound up with a great sequel. But by Alien 3, it just turned into an excuse to bring the Alien back and forget about the characters, like the slasher movie sequels who started by killing off anyone left over from the previous film. Just a terrible movie.

 

[co2]

There are very few movies that I like more than the Alien movies. I just can't get enough of 'em. And while I find AR to be an enjoyable movie, I can't think of it as a true Alien movie because of the silly tone (things like the guy picking up a piece of his brain and looking at it before he dies... so stupid). I wasn't that fond of Alien 3 either, until I saw the Assembly Cut and that totally changed my perspective on it. I think AR could have been a great movie if given the right director. Too bad bad that Jeunet decided to spit in the faces of the fans with his campy approach. This movie is the Batman and Robin of the Alien franchise.

Except for the part about AR being an enjoyable movie (like I said, I have a hard time sitting through it) I agree with everything above.

 

[Theweepeople]

I think I was the one who told you about the people booing.

I saw it opening night, it was sold out, and people in the audience booed when they learned Newt had died.

And I agree with you, it had nothing to do with being closed minded. That was no ballsy move to kill them off...anyone can kill off a character, or in the case of Alien 3, toss away a character like they did with Newt and Hicks. Or even worse, the "look! we're cutting open the kid from the last movie!" autopsy scene.

Newt wasn't just some brat kid, she was everything Ripley fought for. I never liked that added scene on the DVD where we found out that Ripley had lost her own daughter--it just turned Newt into a replacement daughter. Without that scene, Ripley saw herself in Newt, they were both survivors. As long as she could save Newt, she could save herself, and she did.

You also have to understand that Aliens was released at a time of male-dominated action heroes...Rambo, the Terminator, etc. Aliens brought this absolutely kick*ss woman hero front and center...and she was a mother figure protecting her child.

It was brilliantly done...and I saw Aliens twice in the theater, people rooted for those characters, and we hated that the first 5 minutes of Alien 3 just tossed all of that out.

Alien was a movie that probably never needed a sequel. We wound up with a great sequel. But by Alien 3, it just turned into an excuse to bring the Alien back and forget about the characters, like the slasher movie sequels who started by killing off anyone left over from the previous film. Just a terrible movie.

Hi Danyose. You may very well have been the acquaintance. Your sentiments are exactly the way I have felt about Alien 3. It is simply the worst sequel I have ever seen. You witnessed me go off on how bad the third X-Men movie turned out for a whole year which still is the most disappointing I've ever seen. However, at least that movie is somewhat amusing to watch. I can barely tolerate watching Alien 3 for a few minutes. I've only seen the film once all the way through and the one time I did see it during the afternoon I had to prevent myself from falling asleep multiple times.

You are also right about Alien and Aliens not needing sequels. Alien was the perfect way to end the series. All alien 3 did was come up with a boring, unnecessary, and depressing way to end a storyline that already had a conclusion. If Alien 3 was just a timeline of Ripley's story in a comic or novel I could accept that. Some novels just aren't meant to be made into live action films.

What are you're sentiments on AR? I thought it was crap but, the movie didn't impact me the way Alien 3 did because I knew it would suck. At least it had something that Alien 3 lacked(action and interesting characters). The only aliens movie A3 had better characters than was avp.

 

[Midnhtsun]

I went against my word & watched this. What....a...piece....of....crap. The whole human/alien had to be the worst idea/desighn ever! I only likked the end with Ripley finally getting back to Earth. I'm never gonna watch Alien 3. In my mind Aliens ended the series & Ripley, Hicks, Newt & Bishop landed on Earth & they lived happily ever after...no more aliens, no more anything. No face hugger on the ship, just happy. Alien 3 must of been a huge slap in the face to Cameron.

Classic I think I might just adopt this way of thinking, its a much better ending!

 

[Midnhtsun]

You are also right about Alien and Aliens not needing sequels. Alien was the perfect way to end the series. All alien 3 did was come up with a boring, unnecessary, and depressing way to end a storyline that already had a conclusion. If Alien 3 was just a timeline of Ripley's story in a comic or novel I could accept that. Some novels just aren't meant to be made into live action films.

With how popular Aliens was it would have been dumb on the part of the studio not to make a third film, ontop of that fans would have cried for a sequel. The premise for alien 3 was good just not executed right. About alien 3 being depressing, the first two were as well. I think leaving the trilogy on a down note was a good call.

The company was cold hearted and only interested in making a profit that was established with the first two. In alien Ripleys entire crew getting wiped out by the alien was depressing no? In aliens knowing that the company sacrificed all those colonist for the aliens was depressing too wasnt it? and once again out of the entire search and rescue team only 3 ripley, hicks, and newt lived. The theme remained dark throughout all 3.