Alien vs. Predator 2 Scheduled for 2007

xwolverine2 said:
am i the only one hyped for the next movie?:(

I'll go. I love the first one and the alien is the greatest creature design ever made. But this doesn't sound very promising based on concept. No sir, I don't like it.

CorporalHicks said:
hasnt paul anderson done enough already?

He's not involved with this film in any way.

However, Paul Anderson kicks ass. Probably the best action director working today, I can't fathom why the Internet has decided to turn him into some kind of "villian."
 
Someone hasn't watched the Resident Evil Movies.
 
Why didn't some of you like AvsP movie? I enjoyed it, sure seeing the Predator work with a human was a little weird. I never really got into the Alien movies, but I liked this one.
 
Because there were too much humans and not enough Versus. And the Predators acted more like walking Tanks than Hunters.
 
Nathan said:
Someone hasn't watched the Resident Evil Movies.

The first one is outstanding, my favorite movie of that year easily.

The second movie needed some definite work. Some good points, but disappointing overall because of the lack of development for new characters, lame ending, etc. Maybe if Anderson had directed it it would've been better.

The third one looks wack.

Nathan said:
Because there were too much humans and not enough Versus. And the Predators acted more like walking Tanks than Hunters.

You'll be getting even less versus this time. There was a surprisingly small budget for the first one, and given what they had to work with, the effects and fights were phenomenal. This time the budget's even lower and there's even fewer monsters fighting. One predator versus three aliens.
 
Bishop2 said:
I'll go. I love the first one and the alien is the greatest creature design ever made. But this doesn't sound very promising based on concept. No sir, I don't like it.



He's not involved with this film in any way.

However, Paul Anderson kicks ass. Probably the best action director working today, I can't fathom why the Internet has decided to turn him into some kind of "villian."
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
Ah, gotta love the people who mock personal opinions.

See, this just proves my point that the Internet is a buncha sheep. Harry Knowles hates someone, convinces other sites to hate him, pretty soon everybody's acting like an ass about it.

The administrators over at DVDFile speculated a couple of years back that if Anderson had been working in the '80s instead of the '90s and '00s, he'd basically be James Cameron. An interesting theory. But alas, he was thrust into the development of the Internet era, and as they noted, AICN talkerbackers beget CHUD chewers who beget people throughout the Internet spouting like-minded bull. Such open disdain without due cause negatively impacts his career, and he winds up on low-budget movies like the first Resident Evil or third-hand projects that are tossed to him like 'Soldier.'
 
Batattack said:
Well, I did like Mortal Kombat.

My question is... even for those who dislike Anderson, how can you actively despise him? I mean, wouldn't he just be "inoffensive" at best? His directorial style doesn't not contain any flourishes that distinguish him from the vast majority of filmmakers. I can understand finding him uninteresting or boring, but it's the "active seething hate" that just makes no sense to me. Just like the people who actively despise Brett Ratner. God, he's workmanlike. There's nothing about him to hate. How can he even inspire that level of passion? I mean, hating Paul Greengrass, THAT I totally get. His style is to shake the camera all over the damn place, which you either find kinetic and exciting or nauseating and obnoxious. I get the extreme emotions that come from that. But Paul Anderson? Seriously?
 
Bishop2 said:
However, Paul Anderson kicks ass. Probably the best action director working today, I can't fathom why the Internet has decided to turn him into some kind of "villian."

What movie(s) do you use to justify this statement? I don't remember one memorable action movie from Anderson. The only movie of his that I can watch is Event Horizon and that's more of a horror film.

The administrators over at DVDFile speculated a couple of years back that if Anderson had been working in the '80s instead of the '90s and '00s, he'd basically be James Cameron.

And they would be wrong lol. Nothing Anderson has done even comes close to Cameron when factoring action, characters, and story.
 
Im going to wait for the trailer before I decide wether to see it or not.
 
hitmanyr2k said:
What movie(s) do you use to justify this statement? I don't remember one memorable action movie from Anderson. The only movie of his that I can watch is Event Horizon and that's more of a horror film.



And they would be wrong lol. Nothing Anderson has done even comes close to Cameron when factoring action, characters, and story.
:up:
 
Bishop2 said:
My question is... even for those who dislike Anderson, how can you actively despise him?

I think it has to do with the fact that he pretty much raped two fan favorite movie franchises.
 
Flexo said:
I think it has to do with the fact that he pretty much raped two fan favorite movie franchises.
That and all the other movies he has ever made are beyond horrible. Even though I have see only 1 movie from him I liked and that was Mortal Kombat.
 
Flexo said:
I think it has to do with the fact that he pretty much raped two fan favorite movie franchises.

Nothing he did comes close to Alien 3. Nothing.
 
Maybe they'll get it right this time. Surely it's not impossible to make a good film out of two of Hollywood's iconic monsters.
 
Bishop2 said:
Nothing he did comes close to Alien 3. Nothing.

I really don't know what's with the hate for Alien 3. I though it was a pretty well done movie. My 2nd favorite Alien movie right after Aliens.
 
hitmanyr2k said:
And they would be wrong lol. Nothing Anderson has done even comes close to Cameron when factoring action, characters, and story.

Let's talk story. The obvious place to compare is Aliens vs. AVP. Aliens is undoubtedly the better movie. It's more intense, the action is more satisfying because it's so edge-of-your-seat.

But you know, when I saw Mortal Kombat and Resident Evil and AVP, there's a reason why people CHEERED at numerous action sequences on that opening weekend. These movies get you pumped, your adrenaline rushing. For tension, RE's got it in spades (sadly moreso than AVP did).

Story? Well, Cameron had a great hook - Ripley, the only survivor, teams up with marines and goes back. Simple, very effective.

In comparison, it's pretty much impossible to argue that Anderson's hook isn't the more intelligent, creative piece of story. Combining the knowledge of Predators in our past from Predator 2 with the similarities of various cultures as noted by archelelogists, and the outlandish belief some individuals have pressed that "extraterrestrials" were the only possible source of our inexplicable ancient building skill, he built an entire movie around the idea that Predators built the pyramids to hunt. Now that's an incredible hook, it pretty much blew my mind when I heard it. An incredibly smart mixture of history with story, it expands on the Predators' backstory tremendously.

Now, does he utilize that set-up as well as Cameron uses his more basic frame? No. Cameron takes a basic framework and makes it so much more in a way that few could. Anderson's films often use their framework to deliver as much as they can on a small budget. It's astonishing to think of how Resident Evil cost the same amount of money as The Punisher. The Punisher looks and feels cheap... with Resident Evil, you get your dollar's worth and then some. He produces the hell out of his budgets. AVP may have only run off of 60 million - and it even had to drop 2 predators from the storyline after the first few drafts! - but damn if he doesn't get everything he can out of that. It looks like it's an 80 or 90-million film.

Characters? Don't even try on that one. They both adhere to the same notion of how to introduce a character. The only difference is that Anderson actually has more UNIQUE characters in his stories. I'm not saying it's bad that Cameron relies on cliched archetypes for groups such as all the marines in Aliens - it's a great shorthand if you can pull it off with some quality actors. Which he does very well in that film - who can deny an ensemble that includes Bill Paxton, Paul Reiser, Michael Biehn, Jeanette Goldstein? I'm just saying that Anderson rarely falls back on such cliches (though he did do it with a couple of people in Resident Evil) instead taking a good half of AVP to set up four or five individuals for the movie ahead. ****, even Resident Evil took longer than that with some of its players - take Kaplan, who becomes a recognizable personality over the course of the film gradually. But in the end, the strength of the performers in Anderson's movies isn't as great, and that hurts his characters enough to bring them down to about equal level with the kinds of guys we found in Aliens or Terminator... well, actually, I'd put them above True Lies still, but I'm just tossing Cameron films out there now.

Of course, it's worth noting that Cameron wrote pretty much all his movies. Anderon's only written two of his films to date. So it's hard to draw a straight line there. You can't compare Mortal Kombat to his other stuff because he didn't write it. You get the idea.

Bottom line: If Cameron was the one who appeared in the '90s and there wasn't as "fresh," would he be despised by the online community viciously? ABSOLUTELY. And just as unjustifiably.
 
Cameron V Anderson .............

Hmmmmmmmm let me see ...........

LOL ...... not even a contest. With or without internet / fanboy hatred Anderson is a hack.

He talks the talk but consistantly fails deliver ... he has turned making average movies into an artform ........ AVP is a crime. How anyone could fail to make that work is beyond me.

Do not compare them ... its an insult.
 
oh you nerds crack me up.

if your not complaning about comics its video games and if itsnot games its movies.
 
Bishop2 said:
Let's talk story. The obvious place to compare is Aliens vs. AVP. Aliens is undoubtedly the better movie. It's more intense, the action is more satisfying because it's so edge-of-your-seat.

But you know, when I saw Mortal Kombat and Resident Evil and AVP, there's a reason why people CHEERED at numerous action sequences on that opening weekend. These movies get you pumped, your adrenaline rushing. For tension, RE's got it in spades (sadly moreso than AVP did).

Story? Well, Cameron had a great hook - Ripley, the only survivor, teams up with marines and goes back. Simple, very effective.

In comparison, it's pretty much impossible to argue that Anderson's hook isn't the more intelligent, creative piece of story. Combining the knowledge of Predators in our past from Predator 2 with the similarities of various cultures as noted by archelelogists, and the outlandish belief some individuals have pressed that "extraterrestrials" were the only possible source of our inexplicable ancient building skill, he built an entire movie around the idea that Predators built the pyramids to hunt. Now that's an incredible hook, it pretty much blew my mind when I heard it. An incredibly smart mixture of history with story, it expands on the Predators' backstory tremendously.

Now, does he utilize that set-up as well as Cameron uses his more basic frame? No. Cameron takes a basic framework and makes it so much more in a way that few could. Anderson's films often use their framework to deliver as much as they can on a small budget. It's astonishing to think of how Resident Evil cost the same amount of money as The Punisher. The Punisher looks and feels cheap... with Resident Evil, you get your dollar's worth and then some. He produces the hell out of his budgets. AVP may have only run off of 60 million - and it even had to drop 2 predators from the storyline after the first few drafts! - but damn if he doesn't get everything he can out of that. It looks like it's an 80 or 90-million film.

Characters? Don't even try on that one. They both adhere to the same notion of how to introduce a character. The only difference is that Anderson actually has more UNIQUE characters in his stories. I'm not saying it's bad that Cameron relies on cliched archetypes for groups such as all the marines in Aliens - it's a great shorthand if you can pull it off with some quality actors. Which he does very well in that film - who can deny an ensemble that includes Bill Paxton, Paul Reiser, Michael Biehn, Jeanette Goldstein? I'm just saying that Anderson rarely falls back on such cliches (though he did do it with a couple of people in Resident Evil) instead taking a good half of AVP to set up four or five individuals for the movie ahead. ****, even Resident Evil took longer than that with some of its players - take Kaplan, who becomes a recognizable personality over the course of the film gradually. But in the end, the strength of the performers in Anderson's movies isn't as great, and that hurts his characters enough to bring them down to about equal level with the kinds of guys we found in Aliens or Terminator... well, actually, I'd put them above True Lies still, but I'm just tossing Cameron films out there now.

Of course, it's worth noting that Cameron wrote pretty much all his movies. Anderon's only written two of his films to date. So it's hard to draw a straight line there. You can't compare Mortal Kombat to his other stuff because he didn't write it. You get the idea.

Bottom line: If Cameron was the one who appeared in the '90s and there wasn't as "fresh," would he be despised by the online community viciously? ABSOLUTELY. And just as unjustifiably.

So in a nutshell....Cameron gets more out of his characters, writes better dialogue, has better stories, and superior action scenes, etc. And Anderson is supposed to be in Cameron's league if they switched places in time? Ummmm, no lol. If James Cameron woke up one day and had Paul Anderson's resume` he would hang himself.

If the internet community is so vicious why has Cameron's movies stood the test of time instead of being ripped to shreds today? Why are movies like The Terminator, Terminator 2, and Aliens still regarded as some of the best sci-fi/action movies today instead of dated drivel? When Anderson directs a movie that's regarded as a classic let me know. And before you start talking about how Anderson hasn't had a big enough budget or whatever look up The Terminator and see how much the budget was on that movie.

Cameron = visionary
Anderson = hack
 
*** everyone that hates anderson!!...*** you all!!

"that's all"-meryl streep
 
Nathan said:
I really don't know what's with the hate for Alien 3. I though it was a pretty well done movie. My 2nd favorite Alien movie right after Aliens.

As much as I mock it, I don't hate it completely. It has the best cast of the series if you ask me, great group of actors. And visually, it's stunning.

But from a writing standpoint? It's balls. There's no continuity, no internal logic - to this day, no one can explain how eggs got onto the Sulaco, because as Walter Hill explained, "We just hoped no one would question it." The killing of the survivors of Aliens in the first few minutes basically destroys all that Cameron did to build up the franchise. He expanded it and Alien 3 crapped all over that. There's far less humanity, far less characterization. We don't care who lives or dies. The action is often incoherent - we don't know the layout of the prison chambers, so why do I care where they're running in the end? The movie's a mess. It lacks depth, it lacks characterization, it lacks internal logic, it lacks continuity... but it has great acting and looks really pretty. But it's still easily the weakest of the series in my eyes for all those other reasons. Alien 3 has its weaknesses, Alien Resurrection has its weaknesses, but Alien 3 tops the pile in terms of its lameness.

hitmanyr2k said:
So in a nutshell....Cameron gets more out of his characters, writes better dialogue, has better stories, and superior action scenes, etc.

That's not what I said, no. Anderson has better stories, great action sequences, more unique characters. Dialogue's about on par. Cameron does get more from his characters, and his action tends to be better... probably because he has much, MUCH bigger budgets.

Why have Cameron's movies stood the test of time? Simple. They came out first. People have fuzzy memories of them. If The Terminator came out today, it would be despised for how shallow and undeveloped the characters are, among other things.
 

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