Alien VS Predator!

[DorkyFresh]

Disagree. I'd say the edge goes to the alien as it can stick to wall, is black, and apprently has no problem seeing a cloaked Predator. Not to mention the alien films seem to allude to the fact aliens some how can sense, or see people even through walls. The AVP game seems to confirm this as well. And the ONLY stealth kill we see in any of the AVP movies is from an alien. That's pretty over whelming proof.

predators have several different visual modes with their helmet that allows them to see aliens. as for stealth, again the AVP1 got it all wrong. what's the point of using stealth if you look like a water monster? they were WAYYY too easy to see in AvP1. which is one of the many reasons why i don't approve of those movies.

The only defense you people have is to call the movie stupid, which is a bad defense.

no...it's just logic. if you make a movie that most of it's fans reject then it obviously didn't do the franchise justice. duh...i suppose you'd be perfectly fine with someone using Batman & Robin as a good example of how Batman is supposed to be?

You seem to be looking for holes in the fight because the alien is the obvious winner and you are a die-hard fan of the Predator.

*sigh* the pot calling the weed green. you just gave me an EXCUSE for the aliens tail miraculously growing several feet and you accuse ME of trying to find holes. how about we keep this argument about the aliens and predators and not about you or i......or are you so threatened by my arguments as a "die-hard fan of the Aliens" that you have to resort to making it personal?

I think I just destroyed that arguement. Next!

not really...you sidestepped it more than anything.

 

[Nathan]

What skill and recources? It's got agility, strength, speed, it's entire body is a weapon. All an Alien needs to do is to get close to a Predator. Predator stealth is useless, if an Alien spots the Predator first it's gonna stalk him down. And to use a Plasmacaster in close combat would be pretty risky, with the Alien bleeding acid.

 

[DACMAN]

well the first predator was just stupid or careless...that's all. the 2nd one, there's no way he would've just lied their while the alien eats his face.

Or maybe the TWO Predators didn't have a big enough breakfast? Or maybe they just had a big fight with their Predator wives. Or maybe they both were just having a bad day. OH! I got it! Maybe both of them didn't understand what their entire race meant when they were told "hunt and kill" all their lives and thought they meant "get stabbed in the back and eaten in the face!"

You are really stretching you know that? You are trying really hard to come up with an excuse as to why the Predator should have won when clearly the alien out classes them. Hate it or love it, it doesn't change the fact an alien can wupp a Predator most of the time. Sorry, two Predators.

he would've rolled or dodged or something. however, i guess the script writers have never been in real combat...which is probably why that whole sequence felt like a WWE match.

How does being in a real fist fight help a movie director or writer understand how two feral aliens will fight eachother?


And I take it you have retracted your "tail is too long" arguement? Or do I need to bust out some more health class facts on you?

 

[Mr.?]

What skill and recources? It's got agility, strength, speed, it's entire body is a weapon. All an Alien needs to do is to get close to a Predator. Predator stealth is useless, if an Alien spots the Predator first it's gonna stalk him down. And to use a Plasmacaster in close combat would be pretty risky, with the Alien bleeding acid.

And a Predator doesn't? An Alien is mindless for the most part, it would just run and claw wildly at the Predator if it was up close. The Predator would be more tactical then that.

Good thing the Predator has more then a plasma caster.

 

[DACMAN]

not really...you sidestepped it more than anything.

How the heck did I side step it? Do I really need to get that crass with you? Have you ever taken biology class or health class? An animal can have body parts grow in size. That's a fact. So how is it you can't accept an alien species might have a tail that grows in length. Even more so that it uses it at a weapon. You are sidestepping my point. It makes plenty of sense it could change the length of it's tail.

 

[DorkyFresh]

You are really stretching you know that?

hmmm..about the only thing that was stretched was the alien's tail

You are trying really hard to come up with an excuse as to why the Predator should have won when clearly the alien out classes them. Hate it or love it, it doesn't change the fact an alien can wupp a Predator most of the time.

if you've already come to the conclusion then why even pose the question? you made the thread so that we could discuss these things, however, you seem intent on shutting me up just because i won't acknowledge the AvP movies as credible when it comes to the tactics that each species use. if you're not going to let us debate, then why even pose the question???

How does being in a real fist fight help a movie director or writer understand how two feral aliens will fight eachother?

um...life experience aids you and EVERYTHING you do. you can't choreograph or write a convincing fight scene if you've never been in some sort of fight or spar.

And I take it you have retracted your "tail is too long" arguement? Or do I need to bust out some more health class facts on you?

no and no...however, i don't like how you're trying to turn this into a personal matter. i came here to discuss aliens and predators, however, it seems you're trying to make this a problem with ME....and if that's the case, then to be perfectly blunt......you can go fap yourself.

 

[DACMAN]

I have no problem with you. I think I'm winning this discussion and you're getting upset about it is all.

 

[DorkyFresh]

How the heck did I side step it? Do I really need to get that crass with you? Have you ever taken biology class or health class? An animal can have body parts grow in size. That's a fact. So how is it you can't accept an alien species might have a tail that grows in length. Even more so that it uses it at a weapon. You are sidestepping my point. It makes plenty of sense it could change the length of it's tail.

can you not keep the argument straight? you weren't replying to the tail argument when you said you destroyed the argument. you were replying to the fact that i don't acknowledge the AvP films as credible. if you're going to debate/discuss something with someone, it's probably best if you keep track of what you were debating/discussing...

 

[DorkyFresh]

I have no problem with you. I think I'm winning this discussion and you're getting upset about it is all.

yes...*sarcasm* that's why i'm the one that's making this a personal discussion instead of focusing on the topic *sarcasm*

you threw the first personal attack buddy....that's usually a sign that someone's LOSING a debate.

 

[DACMAN]

You are obviously taking all this way to personal. We're talking about two fictional aliens fighting eachother. I really have no problem with you. I think I'm winning the discussion but whatever.

And I don't remember throwing a personal attack. If I did I apologize.

But seriously, I'm done. I just wanted to talk about aliens fighting eachother.

 

[DorkyFresh]

You are obviously taking all this way to personal.

i never take discussions on this board personal until someone makes it personal...which it seemed like you were heading in that direction...

Well that's just because you're bias, not because you're right.

You are really stretching you know that?

Do I really need to get that crass with you? Have you ever taken biology class or health class?

And I don't remember throwing a personal attack. If I did I apologize

you didnt call names or anything but it was clear to me that you were trying to make my arguments a personal issue.

 

[Nathan]

And a Predator doesn't? An Alien is mindless for the most part, it would just run and claw wildly at the Predator if it was up close. The Predator would be more tactical then that.

Mindless creatures don't cut the power. Mindless creatures don't know how to infiltrate a room. Mindless creatures aren't quick learners. Mindless creatures don't know how to flood a room and set a trap with Facehugger eggs for the resurfacing victims.

As bad as the AvP movies were, they showed how an Alien can follow a Predator without giving away it's position or immediately rush the Predator head on.

Good thing the Predator has more then a plasma caster.

And it still bleeds high cocentrated acid.

 

[DorkyFresh]

As bad as the AvP movies were, they showed how an Alien can follow a Predator without giving away it's position or immediately rush the Predator head on.

to counter this particular argument...predators would never just run in and fight out in the open like they did in AvP, which is one of the reasons i don't give credibility to the those films. AvP1, in particular, handled the predators horribly...

 

[Nathan]

to counter this particular argument...predators would never just run in and fight out in the open like they did in AvP, which is one of the reasons i don't give credibility to the those films. AvP1, in particular, handled the predators horribly...

What else is a Predator supposed to do against an enemy that can see through his cloak and he doesn't have any long range weapons? Especially if the whole environment is nothing but corridors and large open rooms?

In AvP:R, he had to go after the Aliens. There's no quietly observing Aliens from above like he'd do with humans. Especially if you're forced to work quickly to get them away from the human population.

But whatever. For you all scenarios in which an Alien looks good are dumb. You like the Predator, the Alien is weak. I'm leaving now.

 

[DACMAN]

i never take discussions on this board personal until someone makes it personal...which it seemed like you were heading in that direction...




you didnt call names or anything but it was clear to me that you were trying to make my arguments a personal issue.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DD

Wow! You think those were personal attacks? Dude you are one sensitive guy.

 

[DACMAN]

What else is a Predator supposed to do against an enemy that can see through his cloak and he doesn't have any long range weapons? Especially if the whole environment is nothing but corridors and large open rooms?

In AvP:R, he had to go after the Aliens. There's no quietly observing Aliens from above like he'd do with humans. Especially if you're forced to work quickly to get them away from the human population.

But whatever. For you all scenarios in which an Alien looks good are dumb. You like the Predator, the Alien is weak. I'm leaving now.

Whatever you do don't call him bias. Apparently that's a personal attack now.

But I agree. It just seems like anything that made the alien look like it could kill a Predator was stupid.

 

[Nightmare]

I voted for Terminator!

But I think Predator would win vs an Alien.

 

[DACMAN]

I think the Alien would kill the Predator and then the Terminator would kill the Alien.

 

[DorkyFresh]

What else is a Predator supposed to do against an enemy that can see through his cloak and he doesn't have any long range weapons? Especially if the whole environment is nothing but corridors and large open rooms?

In AvP:R, he had to go after the Aliens. There's no quietly observing Aliens from above like he'd do with humans. Especially if you're forced to work quickly to get them away from the human population.

yet another reason why i don't approve of the AvP movies. why would the predators build monumental structures that essentially trap them against hordes and hordes of aliens? that's basically a suicide mission and gives the aliens a huge advantage.

But whatever. For you all scenarios in which an Alien looks good are dumb. You like the Predator, the Alien is weak. I'm leaving now.

all the scenarios in the AvP movies i dismiss, regardless of who had the upper hand. i just happen to think that the predators have both natural and technological advantages when it comes to one on one combat. i've also stated that the alien's real strength comes from their numbers. sure they CAN be smart, sure they ARE lethal...but predators are both of those in their sleep. however, they never hunt in hordes like the aliens do.

Wow! You think those were personal attacks? Dude you are one sensitive guy.

i know i said 'personal attacks' but i didn't mean it as in you were calling names (i even mentioned that, but i guess you skipped over it). however, it's quite clear that you were trying to make this a more personal matter and blame other for their bias (while ignoring your own)...instead of sticking to the topic of discussion. i honestly don't care what you call me...but don't go acting like you're the end all be all while trying to discredit other posters, especially considering you posed the question. there's no point in making a thread like this if you're gonna act like a prick to those who oppose your opinion.

But I agree. It just seems like anything that made the alien look like it could kill a Predator was stupid.

oh the hypocrisy...i don't recall any of your posts giving predators any kind of advantage. seems like you already had your mind made up when you made the thread...so again, what's the point in asking others what they think if you're just going to disagree with anyone who opposes your opinion while calling them biased?

 

[Punisher Rising]

Predator most of the time wins simply due to the hunting skills and training they're given, although the Xenomorphs should never be underestimated, for they can win easily enough when given the opportunity.

 

[gregtestagent]

Going toe to toe, hand to hand, Predator would still probably come out on top. Examples have been given by the AVP game. Of course with this franchise, we lose on a number of levels.

 

[King Kong]

dorkyfresh-1 dacman-0

 

[DACMAN]

3 posts since Oct of 09? Looks like someone has an extra account so they can log on and agree with themselves.

Thanks for letting me know I've wasted my time talking to you.

 

[DACMAN]

Predator most of the time wins simply due to the hunting skills and training they're given, although the Xenomorphs should never be underestimated, for they can win easily enough when given the opportunity.

See I'd give it to them if they have their shoulder guns. As long as they have that they have a big advantage. Once you take that one weapon away it's game over. They still had all their other weapons in AVP, but still got their butts kicked. Once the Predator got his gun back he killed like 3 aliens as if it was nothing.

 

[DACMAN]

Going toe to toe, hand to hand, Predator would still probably come out on top. Examples have been given by the AVP game. Of course with this franchise, we lose on a number of levels.

The AVP game have them pretty even. Except the Xenomorph is much faster and can see through walls, plus you can do a heavy attack from a wall without the charge up. It's much easier to get a stealth kill as an alien than a Predator. Plus according to the game (and movie) aliens can see a cloaked Predator.
Not to mention the Predator in the game is using his arm blades, not his bare hands.