Revenge of the Fallen All the hatred towards Transformers...

[Adrian89]

The hatred towards TF is pathetic. I can understand that people don't like it. Fair enough. But some people act as if it's the worst movie ever made. That's ridiculous. There are a hell of a lot of movies 100x worse than TF. People just tend to overexaggerate (sp?).

A lot of people don't go to the movies to think. They go to be entertained and that's exactly what movies like Transformers provide. We don't all have the same tastes or expectations when it comes to movies. Some people take films very seriously, while others just see them as a form of entertainment. I just wish that everyone around here could accept that. Is that too much to ask?

Very good point, you're absolutely right!

 

[protocida]

Transformers is one of the best movies I've ever seem. I like it better than The Dark Knight, by example. It's sad that some people can't enjoy it.

 

[raynorWilm]

You have to understand what you are going to get with TF, especially with Bay doing it. Viewer needs to be aware of what they are getting themselves into. Im aware that TF doesnt have much of a story, but I dont go to see it because of that. Not all movies have to have the same elements working in them. Some films are story and character based, this one is not. Try to enjoy it for what it is...and if not, then dont..

 

[theberserker]

I don't see the point of the hate. I'm a fan of the original cartoon/toys, but honestly the story from that was no better than what we are getting in the film. To hold the original series to such high standards is a little idiotic to me, but thats just me. I'm perfectly ok with a light, simple plot with humor and sillyness mixed in, its exactly what I remember of the cartoon.

Hear, hear!

Thats what I meant to say except I had to us a font. Lol.

 

[Mr. Para-Normal]

^ I hate to say this, but, if Heath Ledger was still alive, TDK would not be as big as it is. You've got to admit that that was one of the main reasons people flocked to the movie.

I feel the same way. Dont get me wrong the dark knight is one of my favoraite films of all time and I like nolan and all the actors in the movie. But I feel as though the reason it broke so many records was because of Heath Ledger and it being his last performance. When I saw the dark knight in theaters there were more people there hyped about heath than there were actual batman fans. But don't make that comment on the dark knight boards on this site they will BASH you and will try stone you to death!! (wow that was off topic lol) anyway Transformers revenge of the fallen will be entertaining and I can't wait to see it.

 

[The Lizard]

Transformers is one of the best movies I've ever seem. I like it better than The Dark Knight, by example.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course.

But still...

 

[Timstuff]

One can certainly argue that Bay's movies are brainless, but they're not heartless, which is why people still love them.

 

[CFE]

^Agreed.

"Transformers" has heart, tons of it.

I mean look...

The property is great...the idea of doing a live action film is great...Bay's sense of action and attention to detail in terms of the actions of the military and government in the film are superb.

But the absurd story points and total lack for attention to the handling of computers is just so...soooo...glaring.

"An unknown force has hacked our network."

Umm...what network? THE network? Like there's only one single network where all the US government's 'Data' is? What?

And when the chick just happens to slip into the top secret meeting at the Pentagon...by literally slipping in behind a guard!? Is the security in that place really THAT poor?

Or how the battalion has to try and confirm a credit card to get help in Qatar...wha?

Or how when they have to hack a computer, Voight picks up the monitor (!!!)

The worst is the fact that the government has their hands on a sound byte...of alien origin...all of their personell can't hope to crack it...but part-shut in, living-with-his grandma, playing-DDR Anthony Anderson can!?

ugh....UGH....

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Meh,Bay's movies are pretty mindless if that is what you want them to be rather than seeing and hearing what is actually going on,and as for a lack of explanations? Who cares when someone isn't obligated to find info out when they don't need everything in a damn movie spoon fed to them. Don't get me wrong I got my own moments where I want to find out what is going on when I feel irritated but it doesn't mean that I cannot manage to fill in the blanks as well when I don't understand something. And one last thing,what is the point of caring about something being done wrong when you don't know if it was deliberately done or if you didn't know how something is supposed to be pulled off properly? When it comes to stuff that is suppose to be realistic that is.

I do feel bad for the people who are too un laidback when it comes to a Transformers movie,perfection can be as complicated as art,and to be honest I think most movie goers should blame themselves during particular moments after they have witnessed a movie. Let's face it,we can't blame every problem in movies on the people who were involved in making them,right? More responsibility needs to be taken by movier goers when they have formed a boo boo. But anyways,as for Transformers,IMO it's a pretty good movie. Any just to be clear,I wasn't giving crap to anyone in particular,that is all.

 

[shigsy2003]

If you're referring to The Rock, then I have to disagree. That movie is awesome

I am slating the actors not the films.

 

[Marvin]

^Agreed.

"Transformers" has heart, tons of it.

I mean look...

The property is great...the idea of doing a live action film is great...Bay's sense of action and attention to detail in terms of the actions of the military and government in the film are superb.

But the absurd story points and total lack for attention to the handling of computers is just so...soooo...glaring.

"An unknown force has hacked our network."

Umm...what network? THE network? Like there's only one single network where all the US government's 'Data' is? What?

not all the us gov's data, just the data on the network he was referring to
it's pretty simple.

And when the chick just happens to slip into the top secret meeting at the Pentagon...by literally slipping in behind a guard!? Is the security in that place really THAT poor?

in that particular area of the building that she was already given clearance too, it's possible...perhaps not probable, but then again...

Or how the battalion has to try and confirm a credit card to get help in Qatar...wha?

true story

Or how when they have to hack a computer, Voight picks up the monitor (!!!)

it's a piece of the computer, the audience may be kids but they don't have to be spoon fed, or perhaps he should have picked up the whole thing, right down the to mouse pad, scanner and wacom tablet...

The worst is the fact that the government has their hands on a sound byte...of alien origin...all of their personell can't hope to crack it...but part-shut in, living-with-his grandma, playing-DDR Anthony Anderson can!?

algorithmic code cracking at times comes down to a persons way of viewing things, perhaps his love of video games provided that
perhaps he's just a genius that does that kinda **** on the the low low

the way ppl talk about these plot holes you'd think she gave the code to a 7 year old girl who plays with carrots all day...
damn that bay

ugh....UGH....

...it's based on a kids show
it's not based on a Tom clancy book

now ask yourself(and ask all the g1 enthusiasts), would the cartoon really take time to make sure all that stuff made perfect sense, or would the security guard just happen to be looking the wrong way at the time?
kids show..

like I said, bay does funny stuff at times...but for gods sake the one time he's working on a kids property is also the one time he gets the most story flack.
if anything go talk about the rock or something

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm excited about everything except the toys :

 

[LightningFlash]

People complain too much.

Transformers was an enjoyable movie, and so will ROTF.

It's not like TDK-standards, but it will be a fun movie.

I don't care about the plot...seeing huge robots makes me feel like a kid.

 

[The Lizard]

I don't care about the plot...seeing huge robots makes me feel like a kid.

True, but I'd kind of prefer seeing giant robots that more closely resembled the giant robots I loved as a kid.

 

[LightningFlash]

Things change, things evolve. Bay never wanted them to be blocky, but more realistic to the point that each part was used right and would work within a vehicle.

And the missing colors or whatever are not a big deal. We know who they are, don't we? That's all that should matter.

So the designs work fine for me, imo.

And I'm glad Megatron isn't just a gun.

 

[The Lizard]

Things change, things evolve. Bay never wanted them to be blocky, but more realistic to the point that each part was used right and would work within a vehicle.

I don't know if I buy that. There's a lot of CGI "fudging" in the Bayformers' transforming sequences, so there could have been a more even balance struck between the blocky '80s look and the chaotic spiky 2007 look.

 

[LightningFlash]

Well if you don't buy that....

then what about....

they would look very awful if they were all blocky?

 

[gohei_]

^^ They didn't look awful in the cartoon.

 

[Timstuff]

That's because back then we were all children. The reason they were blocky is so that the animators could draw them quickly and easily, and because the actual transformations on the toys were more limited back then due to manufacturing technology. If you put a CG G1 Optimus Prime on the screen, it would look like a fan film.

The designs on the movie transformers kick ass.

 

[The Lizard]

I will merely repeat what I've said before...

I understand the need to make the TF designs more complex for the movie, since they are supposed to be super-complicated, living alien robots and not just toys.

However, there still could be more of a happy medium struck between traditional Japanese robot aesthetics and the spiky, insectoid look that Bay and the US designers apparently prefer. If the colors and outer shell lines of the robots were more clearly defined, it would only enhance and clarify the action sequences where the robots were battling in close quarters. This is a good thing.

 

[Kahoot]

I agree with that. The spiky robot design looks fine with the Decepticons but the Autobots should look a little nicer on the eye since they are supposed to look like the good guys.

 

[Ladiesman217]

Real life machines usually have very complex looking insides. The Designs have to look just as complex to make the transition/transformation smoother and look believable. Anime robots can't be a good standard for live action designs because anime mecha are mostly hand drawn and animators can do alot of shortcuts to make them look good on screen. I don't think CGI has that kind of luxury. If you watch many mecha shows even G1, they use animation shorcuts even on for non transforming robot. A highly animated mecha duel in Gundam 00 looks beautiful and fast paced, but if you slow it down frame by frame you see animators cut corners(mostly for budget reasons) MANY details and proportions are all wrong to make it look fluid. 3D CG can't have that.

EDIT: In addition, some 2d animated robots look cool when they do maneuvers because animators can "cheat" in between frames. What happens when you take that 2d mecha design and turn it 3d? Suddenly its movements look wrong and sluggish. 3d versions of Gundams(gundam Evolve) usually end up having more details and busier designs.

EDIT: Here is the Nu Gundam from Char's counter attack. One of the most nicely done designs out there and much though was put in its creation.

Now they had to make it 3d for a special! But it's 2d design is not suitable for the new 3d cg environment so they modify it:

 

[The Lizard]

But the CG robot designs in the TF movie also "cheat" in certain ways with regards to the transformation sequences.

Like I said, we're talking about alien robot technology, so this "cheating" is understandable within the context. Separate robot metal shell parts join together to form the car bodies with no seams and such. Understandable.

But -- even diehard fans of the film must admit that the first time you saw some of the action sequences, they were confusing in parts. You shouldn't have to watch a movie multiple times just to figure out what's going on during key action scenes.

I don't "hate" the 2007 TF movie at all. It was entertaining overall, and about 30-40% of it was great. But let's face facts -- it had multiple weakness that can't just be brushed off by merely saying "it was based on a cartoon!"

 

[Ladiesman217]

I think the scenes have more to do with Bay's camera work than anything else. I mean looking at the latest trailer, good camera work goes a long way. Wide shots in the forest scene looked great. Devastator sucking up sand and Mudflap looked phenomenal.

And I thought we were just talking about the designs, not the other weaknesses of the movie? If we were talking about that than I would be ranting about how S7 was poorly handled and Banacheck being their sole redeeming aspect, or how the yard scene started good but dragged on longer than it should, or the hacker subplot. ey I'm just arguing the designs cuz i really like them. Honestly like them more than other TF designs.

 

[The Lizard]

Yeah, there's probably better threads other than a general "hate" thread to discuss the strengths and weakness of the movie TF designs.

And yes, more wide shots from Bay would indeed help in the action scenes.

Some of the 2007 movie TF designs I do indeed like. But some just annoyed me and looked sloppy and/or jumbled. I'm expecting more of the same for the new movie, since I do like what I've seen of Ravage, tank Megatron and Sideswipe, but I'm so far hating the designs of Jetfire, Demolisher and Devastator.