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Am I the only one who hopes Reed will be smarter in the sequel?

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It ticked me off that Reed made such a major miscalculation about when the cosmic storm would arrive. In the comics, Reed is THE smartest character in the bunch. Smarter than Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, Dr. Doom, all of them. I just didn't feel that came across in the film (and not just because those other people weren't in it ;))!

Hope they do better 2nd time around!
 
Not only smarter, but more self-assured and confident. It seems that the filmakers wanted him to show some growth in the first movie, so hopefully he'll be much stronger in the second.
 
Smarter and a lot more of a leader. I'd love to see him also not be such a quirky, "not familiar with the character before or after I signed on to do this role", weirdness that he brought to the role. I thought he was the weak link in the film. Let him be a stronger character.
 
i think alot of the problems w/ Reed, had nothing to do w/ ioan, but more w/ the writing.....as it was w/ Sue....the script had very little in the way of dialogue for Reed to show the enormous brain power that he has....there was absolutely none written for Sue to show she was a scientist either...as far as Ben, good amount of dialogue to show the pain of what he was going for....Johnny ended up a bunch of one-liners.....the script as written was "ok" and could have been strengthened quite easily, but instead they chose to weaken it....hopefully Frost will see the weakness and do better.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
Not only smarter, but more self-assured and confident. It seems that the filmakers wanted him to show some growth in the first movie, so hopefully he'll be much stronger in the second.


agreed, he's already super smart and will hopefully be more confident in his abilities in 2
 
Yeah i'd love to see a bit more development of his intelect in the next picture. Im not sayin he didnt come accross as being smart cause in my opinion he knew plenty, but i think there's room for more.

And yes more confidence, he started to express some at the end battle with doom and thats what i wanna see more of.
 
JMAfan said:
i think alot of the problems w/ Reed, had nothing to do w/ ioan, but more w/ the writing.....as it was w/ Sue....the script had very little in the way of dialogue for Reed to show the enormous brain power that he has....there was absolutely none written for Sue to show she was a scientist either...as far as Ben, good amount of dialogue to show the pain of what he was going for....Johnny ended up a bunch of one-liners.....the script as written was "ok" and could have been strengthened quite easily, but instead they chose to weaken it....hopefully Frost will see the weakness and do better.

Right. Ioan is an excellent actor. I think he played the role - as it was written - perfectly. As long as they make him a much stronger character in this film, it could even justify the first film. A strong, mature Reed Richards in future films would just emphasize that he was a real person, who had not yet saved the world, in the first film.

One problem I have with that strategy (if it even is a strategy) is that in the comics Reed was a veteran, so he was already something of a tough guy by the time they went into space. I would have preferred a take closer to that in the first film.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
Right. Ioan is an excellent actor. I think he played the role - as it was written - perfectly. As long as they make him a much stronger character in this film, it could even justify the first film. A strong, mature Reed Richards in future films would just emphasize that he was a real person, who had not yet saved the world, in the first film.

One problem I have with that strategy (if it even is a strategy) is that in the comics Reed was a veteran, so he was already something of a tough guy by the time they went into space. I would have preferred a take closer to that in the first film.

I agree, it seemed like Frost had a strong hold of who Sue was in his first script, and then lost it in the re-writes, he had Ben and Johnny down perfectly, and never had a grasp of Reed. Hopefully with Story on board from the beginning this time they can correct those problems. Also my hope is that Ioan has been working with a coach so that he isn't flustered with changes to the script.
 
JMAfan said:
I agree, it seemed like Frost had a strong hold of who Sue was in his first script, and then lost it in the re-writes, he had Ben and Johnny down perfectly, and never had a grasp of Reed. Hopefully with Story on board from the beginning this time they can correct those problems. Also my hope is that Ioan has been working with a coach so that he isn't flustered with changes to the script.

Did you get a look at the first script? Was it better than the final?
 
Spider - Man said:
Did you get a look at the first script? Was it better than the final?

The first script was the France script....he had a better grasp of the characters, but his script was much more of a $$$ gobbler than Frost's.

Frost's first script was ok, and they did strengthen it in areas once they finalized the shooting script....but the editing of the movie killed those strengths.

France: much stronger Reed and Sue... no lover's triangle between Sue/Doom/Reed...Sue and Reed are together from the start...better on Doom...better relationship between Sue and Johnny...better story actually, but actions scenes would have cost a butt load of money, and there was enough for a movie and a half...

Frost first script: Very shallow on Reed, seemed to be obsessed w/ Sue...LOL...Ben and Johnny were fine...screwed Doom.

Frost/Shooting script: Worked some on Reed, weakened the scientist aspect of Sue, screwed Doom...but in most cases was stronger than his first attempt....

Then the editing came along and well the rest is history...
 
More of a leader, more smart, more confident, and more tactical.
I hope his character grows into that.
 
Spider - Man said:
It ticked me off that Reed made such a major miscalculation about when the cosmic storm would arrive. In the comics, Reed is THE smartest character in the bunch. Smarter than Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Hank Pym, Dr. Doom, all of them. I just didn't feel that came across in the film (and not just because those other people weren't in it ;))!

Hope they do better 2nd time around!

He didn't miscalculate, he even said when they got back, he went over his figures and couldn't figure out what went wrong. Ben spelled it out, it was a freak of nature, fate, happen chance.
 
spideyrunner said:
Nope...Reed is not that smart....Doc Doom seems smarter than him.

No Reed is unquestionably the smarter of the 2, but Doom is formidable in the brain department.
 
Agent 194 said:
Smarter and a lot more of a leader. I'd love to see him also not be such a quirky, "not familiar with the character before or after I signed on to do this role", weirdness that he brought to the role. I thought he was the weak link in the film. Let him be a stronger character.

Idem, ibidem. :up: :)
 
Well we can think the great writting team for that. Reed wasn't even dipicted at being the smartest man on Earth. This is one of the reasons that F4 failded to me.
 
like all of you have probubly said already, i also think he wasnt as smart as he should have been. i want him to be rediculously smart and predict everything in an imposible way with little to no clues pointing it out just like he does in the comics and 90's cartoon series. I also think he wasnt confident enuff and didnt display many attributes of a leader. i think the best Mr. Fantastic was the one from the 90's cartoon and i think the actor should watch season two before trying this role again.
 
Reed was a corny dumbass fro mthe get go. it felt like he googled everything that got his machine to work. whatver. i was just extremely dissapointed with Reed as the acting was the worst of the four where Doom pretty much out classed everyone aside from Johnny who did the role justice.
 
Don't the villains usually steal the show in superhero movies anyway!? I must agree that Reed was written weak in the film. I'd rather see a confident Reed, not a corny one! A much more focused Reed would be good.
 
Spider - Man said:

its used in citation, to show use of the quote above...so you can assume by that that he is in agreement w/ the post above it....kind of like....ditto:)
 
JMAfan said:
its used in citation, to show use of the quote above...so you can assume by that that he is in agreement w/ the post above it....kind of like....ditto:)

Ok, thanks!
 

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