Batman wasn't there in a character sense. He just mopped around.
In between taking down Scarecrow, raiding Hong Kong, saving Rachel and Dent from the Joker at the party, hunting the Joker through clues from shattered bullets, interrogating the underworld (Maroni), protecting Dent from Joker in the epic armored car chase, facing off against Joker in the interrogation room, desperately trying to save Rachel, protecting Reese from a rabid Gotham, saving the hospital staff hostages, capturing Joker, and saving Gordon's son.
Yes, besides all of that, Batman moped
True, but people do blame at least Peter Parker for moping the same way Bruce Wayne was in The Dark Knight.
What do you mean blame him the same way? As in the mope for the same reasons?
As well it is true in TAS but he wanted to quit because he could not stop it. In The Dark Knight there was no blood on his hands, and if it was so bad then why did he take the rap for killing dent?!
There was no blood on his hands in BTAS either. But the Joker WAS killing people because of Batman's presence in Gotham. "Batman must take off his mask and turn himself in. Every day he doesn't, people will die".
He took the rap for Dent to save the hope of Gotham.
The final monologue that Commissioner Gordon brings the themes from Batman Begins to their logical conclusion: Namely, that as a man, Bruce Wayne’s powers to evil crime are rather limited. As a man, he can be corrupted, he can be killed, and ultimately, he can be defeated. As a symbol he can become far more, and at the end of The Dark Knight, he becomes, to society, an uncontainable force in very much the same way the Joker was. He becomes hunted, making people believe that he cannot be controlled, that he has lost all respect for societal norms and the rule of law. As Gordon realizes he needs to blame the murders on Batman, he acknowledges not only the need for society to push their fears onto something, but their hopes as well (which he allows them to do by preserving Dent’s good name).
In order to keep from tearing itself to shreds, society needs to believe in the incorruptibility of good and the relative remoteness of evil. The Dark Knight points us to ways in which we cope with this need.
http://www.slashfilm.com/assessing-the-themes-of-the-dark-knight/
Yes I stated that and gave that credit but he pretty much thought for him and even had to calm him down..again it reminded me more of old man Wayne and terry.
When did Lucius have to calm Batman down?
Yes that is the Joker. But The Dark Knight Joker was played as sporadic and wild...of which organized is not.
You're contradicting yourself. You initially said Joker in TDK was the most organized planned out wild card. Now you're saying he's sporadic and wild, and not organized?
TDK Joker was a wild card, organized, and he was sporadic. This was most evident in his attitude change towards Batman. He initially wanted Batman out of the way. But then he came to love the challenge Batman presented him, and he changed position, and wanted to keep Batman around. Even going so far as to protecting his identity from being spilled on TV by Reese.
Harvey was practically the main character until he became Two-Face..then he was shoved away, this was a main complaint amongst many people. They could of at least given him the boat plot..I know Joker did it in the comics but it fit Two-Face more.
Two Face isn't into mind games like that. Joker's all about the mind games. What he tried to do with the ferries falls in line with what he did The Killing Joke, where he tried to prove everyone was as bad as him deep down. Except in TDK he did it to dozens of people, instead of one person.
Two Face is more a revenge villain, which is exactly what he was all about when he became Two Face. Even before Joker came to visit him in the hospital, he promised Gordon that he wasn't sorry, not yet anyway.
Yes it was a Bunker, but they could of made it look more like a bunker. A light room just didn't fit the character.
DC comics disagree with you since they've adapted it into the comics, and there's been no complaints from readers so far.
Alfred never ever lectures Bruce about right and wrong but does try to convince Bruce to lead a normal life (Mask of the Phantasm).
Alfred oftens lectures Bruce about right and wrong, and the moral implications of decisions he takes, and choices he faces etc.
If you'll recall, Bruce asked Alfred's advice: "People are dying, Alfred. What would you have me do?".
He is reassured by Bruce being batman because he could have been a criminal, but The Dark Knight Alfred does not express that. He reminds me of a football dad who's done wants to quit the game.
How did you come to that conclusion, when Alfred blatantly tells Bruce he should NOT quit. "Endure, Master Wayne. Take it. They'll hate you for it, but that's the point of Batman. He can make the choice that no one else can make. The right choice. Gotham needs you"
Spider-man fits perfectly and explains it.
Fits perfectly with what and explains what?
Everyone are now bashing Rami even the ones who claimed Spider-Man 1 was so close to the comics. Now they are bashing the suits, the amount of CG, and pretty much everything else. The same happened to Batman. We even saw this with the Crow when there were plans to reboot it. The reason why is because it's new so everyone has to see it and then they are afraid to express their real opinion so then everyone likes it.
I think you'll recall Sam Raimi has been getting severe criticisms ever since Spider-Man 3 was released, and fans have never gotten over what a let down it was.
I can't speak for The Crow.
You can't blame Nolan's Batman just because it's one of, if not the most highly regarded superhero franchise there is. That's just weak.
Yes there is such things as conformist sheep that is pretty much what a trend is. What separates the sheep from the true fans is appreciation. Those who like what they like because of their own reason. The sheep are the ones who have to complain about the old things being dull because they are not new or popular.
I know such people exist. But if you think that conformist mentality applies to the majority of the TDK fan base, then you are in extreme denial. Are you so ignorant that you have to label thousands of fans mindless drone bandwagon hoppers just because they don't share your opinion?
Honestly, to me, I would say Mask of the Phantasm because he his dark, has some edge, but is also human. It's realistic but still fictional.
You mean the movie that is over 50% love story, where Bruce wants to throw in the towel just to be with Andrea again?
Don't get wrong, I love MOTP. But a lot of things you complained about above apply to this movie, too. I won't even comment on the realistic remark you made lol.
If you think Dark Knight is the "ultimate batman" then go ahead, just as long as you appreciate it. I understand that everyone had opinions, as long as it's theirs then I have no problem.
That's fine. I just find it unfair that you label the fan masses of it as conformist sheep, especially when you have no basis for such a claim.
I know we're in the midst of another Nolan Batman movie frenzy with TDKR, so I'm wondering is that what prompted you to make this thread?
