American filmmaker sues Rumsfeld for two month detainment by US military.

Mr Sparkle said:
Oh truthteller, mere technicalities.:o
this has revolved around the misguided notion that Jonty has about detainees and how they have all been caught in "Combat situations" making them "enemy combatants".
simple.
this has been an ongoing debate with us. perhaps you, like him, think that going around in a taxi is a Combat situation?
I doubt that, but please, rectify my misguided notions.

do you think that this man was caught in a "combat situation"?

and then, perhaps editing "American filmmaker sues Rumsfeld for Gitmo detainment" should be in order.
LOL :D Yes, I suspect you are correct.

Fixed it!

Maybe thats where the confusing statement from jag came from as well. The artical says he was held for two months in Iraq - not in Gitmo. Only the select few go to Gitmo. Most of them are from the Afghani theater.

As for how you define a battlefield, one would think it would be fairly straight forward. But perhaps not.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
Oh truthteller, mere technicalities.:o
this has revolved around the misguided notion that Jonty has about detainees and how they have all been caught in "Combat situations" making them "enemy combatants".
simple.
this has been an ongoing debate with us. perhaps you, like him, think that going around in a taxi is a Combat situation?
I doubt that, but please, rectify my misguided notions.

do you think that this man was caught in a "combat situation"?

and then, perhaps editing "American filmmaker sues Rumsfeld for Gitmo detainment" should be in order.


Err... yeah, probably. My bad, guys.
 
Use of the word "Theater" in my previous post was not meant as a pun. :eek: :D
 
Truthteller said:
LOL :D Yes, I suspect you are correct.

Fixed it!

Maybe thats where the confusing statement from jag came from as well. The artical says he was held for two months in Iraq - not in Gitmo. Only the select few go to Gitmo. Most of them are from the Afghani theater.

As for how you define a battlefield, one would think it would be fairly straight forward. But perhaps not.

ahhhh, but therein lies the feud between Jonty an Myself, recently I rented guner Palace, a documentary about life In Iraq for Soldiers.
In it, they Capture 2 brothers suspected of making bombs.
from a tip given by a "source" they rush their house while the women look on weeping, both brothers are taken to Gitmo, even though a search of the house revealed no bombmaking tools or bomb parts.
Guner Palace is far from a "left wing" doc, and even it has a hard time justifying the actions so much so that they breeze over them like a matter of course.
furthermore, rushing a civillian dwelling while everyone is asleep, on a tip from an informant is not a "Combat Situation" the documentary makies a passing comment about the frequency of these raids, and detainment.
 
bored said:
Okay, first point, we don't know where he was going because the article didn't say. I doubt the military was completely clueless. And it doesn't take fifty-five days to determine if the guy's story is legit, if the people investigating are putting any actual effort into it.


Now, just for kicks, I'd like to point out a few important paragraphs from the article.

The fact that the military wasn't completely clueless adds to their credibililty in that they had reason to suspect him.

You don't know how long it takes to do these things. It's easy to do in North America where you have an ever-ready infrastructure prepared to handle such a request and even than it can be difficult because you need to go through proper channels.

Even if the person caught had all the proper ID, the military still had to take the time to make sure the ID was legit and that takes time. It would take at least a week, if it happened in North America, much less over in Iraq or Afghanistan. They just can't look at a driver's licence or passport book and let the guy go on his merry way. They would have had to take the time to confirm everything necessary about the guy.

As far as the guy's claim to have been physically manhandled, that's his claim and nothing more at this point. What could have happened is that they pushed him in a cell and he hit his head.
 
War Lord said:
The fact that the military wasn't completely clueless adds to their credibililty in that they had reason to suspect him.

You don't know how long it takes to do these things. It's easy to do in North America where you have an ever-ready infrastructure prepared to handle such a request and even than it can be difficult because you need to go through proper channels.

Even if the person caught had all the proper ID, the military still had to take the time to make sure the ID was legit and that takes time. It would take at least a week, if it happened in North America, much less over in Iraq or Afghanistan. They just can't look at a driver's licence or passport book and let the guy go on his merry way. They would have had to take the time to confirm everything necessary about the guy.

As far as the guy's claim to have been physically manhandled, that's his claim and nothing more at this point. What could have happened is that they pushed him in a cell and he hit his head.


Something they had done before he was released, if you've been paying attention.
 
bored said:
Something they had done before he was released, if you've been paying attention.

Again, that was his claim.

A person can claim anything, but that doesn't mean it's true.
 
Nor does it mean it's false.
 
souloffire said:
What's the matter with you? There's a war going on where people are getting killed. How many times do you turn on the TV or read a paper and one of the stories is about a car bomb going off in Iraq killing Americans are allies and civillians and you write this crap.
Because "possibly" isn't definitive. Nor is "may be" or "maybe" as is "something"

Read the dictionary. Learn something :D
 
what a bunch of ****ing idiots, i hope they sue their asses good :)
 
Addendum said:
Because "possibly" isn't definitive. Nor is "may be" or "maybe" as is "something"

Read the dictionary. Learn something :D
So you would rather wait till someone actually makes a bomb before taking action? I hope you're never in a position to make those kind of decisions.
 
bored said:
Nor does it mean it's false.

Unless he's suffered some definitive damage (missing teeth or head trauma) he didn't really suffer too much and has no basis for a lawsuit.
 
arghhhhhhh! this is still going on?

man in taxi, not combat. ever see that movie TORA TORA TORA! show me that scene where that guy hails a cab in the middle of the battlefield please. :confused:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
arghhhhhhh! this is still going on?

man in taxi, not combat. ever see that movie TORA TORA TORA! show me that scene where that guy hails a cab in the middle of the battlefield please. :confused:

What are you still doing up?

Did your mom forget to give you some warm milk and cookies?
 
War Lord said:
What are you still doing up?

Did your mom forget to give you some warm milk and cookies?

LOL, I was just about to post "you know Jonty, I think we spend way too much time on the internet" :)
 
Mr Sparkle said:
LOL, I was just about to post "you know Jonty, I think we spend way too much time on the internet" :)

I know I do. If it wasn't for work, I'd have no outside interests at all.
 
War Lord said:
I know I do. If it wasn't for work, I'd have no outside interests at all.

I just got a good connection at home, I think I'm going to stop posting from work and now actually....work. what a concept!
 
Mr Sparkle said:
I just got a good connection at home, I think I'm going to stop posting from work and now actually....work. what a concept!

What is your job?
 
War Lord said:
What is your job?

I am......the architect.

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but please, call me larry.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
I am......the architect.

200px-Matrix_architectsittingandchatting.gif

but please, call me larry.

No wonder you have so much time to posts.

It's not that hard to draw squares, circles and triangles.
 
War Lord said:
No wonder you have so much time to posts.

It's not that hard to draw squares, circles and triangles.

My stilistic direction doesn't allow circles :(, so I get extra time:up:
 
as a member of the US military this story puzzles me on several levels.
If I was in another country and the US started attacking the country my first inclination would be to get out. Now if I decided to stay to complete my filming the instant US troops came up on me they would know I was an American and prior service. The troops in Iraq have email capability as I have recieve several emails from my buddies over there. The military has a database they can go to to check to see if he was in the military. All this verification takes about a day or two....which leads me to question what really happened....

....and for the guys crying out for the people held at Gitmo...where is the public outcry for the soldiers accused(not charged) of the massacre in Hayditha. They are being held in a maximum security military prison in California.
 
roach said:
....and for the guys crying out for the people held at Gitmo...where is the public outcry for the soldiers accused(not charged) of the massacre in Hayditha. They are being held in a maximum security military prison in California.

isn't there an investigation going on right now?
 
roach said:
as a member of the US military this story puzzles me on several levels.
If I was in another country and the US started attacking the country my first inclination would be to get out. Now if I decided to stay to complete my filming the instant US troops came up on me they would know I was an American and prior service. The troops in Iraq have email capability as I have recieve several emails from my buddies over there. The military has a database they can go to to check to see if he was in the military. All this verification takes about a day or two....which leads me to question what really happened....

I've been trying to explain this to people. Maybe they'll listen to you.

....and for the guys crying out for the people held at Gitmo...where is the public outcry for the soldiers accused(not charged) of the massacre in Hayditha. They are being held in a maximum security military prison in California.

With, as sinewave said, an investigation going on, and they're a bit more likely to have an actual trial.
 
dpm07 said:
One might just as well as sue Bush for needlessly screwing up the economy...

Hi. What planet are you living on?
 

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