An absolutely epic marijuana rant

[DBryan]

It's common knowledge in the mental health field. It doesn't get much media attention, but the more studies that are done, the more the link is proven. Here's one of many articles I've read on the subject:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/marijuana-precedes-psychosis/story?id=13031478

And, believe me, if I could tell you about all the case files that I've read with pot use was an antecedant to severe mental issues, you would be floored.

Even that article states that the study was flawed and didn't show causation.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

These artticles are so sneaky and deceptive. What most of them fail to mention is that weed boost psychosis 2% out of everyone who uses it.

2 PERCENT!!!!

That means if 1,000 young people smoke alot of weed for a long time only 20 more than usual may get psychosis (which is treatable).

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/01/new-study-links-pot-smoking-to-increased-risk-of-psychosis/

Of those who smoked pot for more than six years, 3 to 4 percent went on to develop a psychotic disorder before the age of 21. By comparison, lead study author John McGrath estimates that around 1 percent of people worldwide suffer from psychotic ailments.

There are fatal risks to fast food and fast cars but we don't outlaw them. There are fatal risks with alcohol and cigarettes and we don't outlaw them. Yet weed has thousands of industrial uses, hundreds of medical uses and is an all around recreational booster with no fatal risks and that's the one we strictly outlaw.

What is wrong with this picture???

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not really.
EDIT: I at least wouldn't say FAR.

Yes, alcohol and cigarettes are FAR more harmful.

Alcohol killed 75,000 Americans last year.

Marijuana killed ZERO.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/

 

[munchie64]

Yes, alcohol and cigarettes are FAR more harmful.

Alcohol killed 75,000 Americans last year.

Marijuana killed ZERO.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/

Alcohol is legally and thus more easily available. It can't be compared with those kind of statistics. If you had health statistics, I would happily eat my words.

 

[DBryan]

Look at the statistics for any country in which marijuana is legal. It will always be the same. Deaths attributed to marijuana use per year: zero.

 

[munchie64]

Look at the statistics for any country in which marijuana is legal. It will always be the same. Deaths attributed to marijuana use per year: zero.

Fair enough.

 

[SV Fan]

Police often respond to reports of drunk and disorderly, not baked and disorderly conduct" - Representative Barney Frank (D-MA)

I can only imagine driving while high, you probably would be going like 10MPH in a 35 zone. lol

 

[Master Chief]

Legal or not, it's still poison. It compromises your higher brain functioning, makes you prone to psychosis, and therefore makes you dangerous to yourself and others. The fact that alcohol does the same thing doesn't negate this fact.

We have enough alcohol related problems without compounding them with potheads running the street. The law really does very little to punish/correct people for making others suffer for their addictions. Until that happens, I hope no other drugs become legal for recreational use.

But forget about what the government says. Forget about what your slacker buddies say. The intelligent, healthy thing to do is abstain from altering your cognitive function with a toxin.

Get a life. Stay clean.

How's that for a rant?

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you make my brain hurt.

Anyways, meh, I just want the s**t decriminalized. Wicked youtube rant though.

 

[SV Fan]

Legal or not, it's still poison. It compromises your higher brain functioning, makes you prone to psychosis, and therefore makes you dangerous to yourself and others. The fact that alcohol does the same thing doesn't negate this fact.

Reminds me of this

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[munchie64]

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[DBryan]

Anyone who lives in the UK can sign this epitition to have the issue brought up by government.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29

Send it to your UK friends, post it on facebook. I don't think many people even know this petition exists.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Alcohol is legally and thus more easily available. It can't be compared with those kind of statistics. If you had health statistics, I would happily eat my words.

Marijuana is widely available in America despite draconian drug laws. 42% of Americans have tried weed versus only 20% of Dutch people (weed is decriminalized in Holland).

 

[DBryan]

I've lost count of how many Presidents have smoked weed.

Only difference is they haven't been locked up for it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If the government was honest about the vast applications of hemp, the many medicinal benefits of weed, and low risk involved then marijuana would be legal within months.

It's really a state rights issue. If a state population wants to tax and regulate weed for responsible use then why should the federal government deny them?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I've lost count of how many Presidents have smoked weed.

Only difference is they haven't been locked up for it.

Or how many founding fathers grew it openly.

 

[roach]

Weed won't be legal anytime soon because no politician wants to be 'that guy' to introduce the bill.

 

[mrvlknight21]

What about how much prisons, court systems, police, etc get from money used for the Drug War?

Without the Drug War you don't need to finance the extreme size of the prison system and police force.

Bingo! You are so right, brother. This is the prison-industrial complex...and it's the modern day answer to Jim Crow. Nothing allows them to lock up more black men than the War on Drugs. I think there is a connection between the War on Drugs and the assault on the middle and working classes, in this country. The WoD came about around the same time that the Reaganomics/neo-liberal/"free market" economics ideology began to rise to primacy. I think that the powers that be decided it would be best for as many poor and lower middle class young men as possible to be locked up rather than be on the streets to be angry and cause trouble over the massive transfer of wealth to the top we have seen.

Can you guys explain these comments further?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Marijuana should be banned. Along with smoking nicotine.
Hell, alcohol should be banned. Look at how much pain and suffering thats caused.

I usually side with the rest of the board and I almost never agree with WAYCS, but this time I agree with you, Spock... to an extent.

I believe that in a perfect world, there wouldn't be any laws - people do whatever they want and that people could just live by a common moral conduct - problem is that this will never happen.

That said, whether or not the law is in place is one thing, but do what you will and I'll do what I will. I personally believe that things that alter too much of a person's behaviour should not be used (that's not just restricted to alcohol, marijuana and nicotine... that would include things like excessive energy drinks, or even other addicting things subject to the person). People's behaviour can be altered by a numerous amount of things and to different extents.

Alcohol, Nicotine and Marijuana are some that are proven to make alterations to a persons behaviour and health. When you get to less extremes, some video games are even addicted and THOSE WHO GET ADDICTED TO THEM should just stop playing them! I can't tell you how addicted I got to RuneScape some ten years back.

But if someone else does any of that, I'm not going to judge. I'll simply say this, I personally think that it's best to not take part in these things, I'm not telling you not to.

Should it be legalised? Personally, I'd prefer it not for a number of reasons - now that's assuming the legalisation issue would even be brought to a referendum (which is incredibly unlikely), but I'm also not going to lobby against the legalisation of marijuana - I honestly couldn't care less.


Also, in regards to that idiot who was trying to link the problems in the Middle-East to the prohibition of alcohol, they're not even related. The problems in the Middle-East are due to a lack of basic civil rights, not the prohibition of alcohol... Look at the low number of alcohol related deaths and accidents in the Middle-Eastern countries with alcohol prohibition, and then try and make a smart-ass comment like that.



EDIT: I'm all for the use of Medicinal Marijuana though.

 

[chaseter]

I've never tried pot and probably never will. But I really couldn't care less if they legalized it or not.

Same here. I probably will never smoke pot either as for one thing, smoking is absolutely gross. While pot has chemicals in it that are beneficial, inhaling smoke in your lungs is not. I have always wanted to try a pot brownie though. Anyways, I am fine with it being legal but like alcohol, it can impair your judgement and reaction time so if you get pulled over high you deserve to be thrown in the slammer with a DUI. Legalizing pot would also cut down on border violence. Cartels would have less product to move. Now I am completely against hard drugs like meth and crack.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Can you guys explain these comments further?

Without the drug war you could cut the prison population by half (55% of the prison population are drug offenders) and probably cut down on the police force quite a bit. Alot of people don't want that.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Same here. I probably will never smoke pot either as for one thing, smoking is absolutely gross. While pot has chemicals in it that are beneficial, inhaling smoke in your lungs is not. I have always wanted to try a pot brownie though. Anyways, I am fine with it being legal but like alcohol, it can impair your judgement and reaction time so if you get pulled over high you deserve to be thrown in the slammer with a DUI. Legalizing pot would also cut down on border violence. Cartels would have less product to move. Now I am completely against hard drugs like meth and crack.

Well smoking pot is not like smoking cigarettes. You're not going to go through a pack a day or something. People won't just be walking down the street with a joint in their hand. I see it being a lot like alcohol, you'd smoke in designated places or your home, not everywhere unless it was a place like Vegas or New Orleans, well open alcohol is also commonplace. Definitely agree on the DUI, but I really don't see pot smokers as motivated to go somewhere else like a drinker.

I used to smoke pot and feel the same as many other people, not nearly as harmful as alcohol. Really the only reason I stopped was the hassle of getting a hold of some. If it was made legal and on stores shelves tomorrow I'd probably go buy some. Maybe for a puff after a hard day at work to just unwind.

 

[roach]

Without the drug war you could cut the prison population by half (55% of the prison population are drug offenders) and probably cut down on the police force quite a bit. Alot of people don't want that.

wait so we are legalizing all drugs now???