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Drakon

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Let me wax philosophical with you for a minute. I've had a lot going on this summer, and it's given me time to think about things. It all starts off with two men:

The first man, we'll call him Trent. He's an older man, in his early to mid fifties. He's no rocket surgeon, but he's smart. However, he's not without his flaws. He's never really held a job for more than six months, and the jobs he does hold are things such as fast food cashier, or stock boy at the local grocer. Reason he's never held a job for long is because he tends to party hard. As a young man, he was into pot and coke and getting completely smashed every chance he got. As he grew older, he dropped the heavier things, but still drinks and smokes pot. He's never lived on his own for very long, but instead has had to live with various friends and family members [whom he has driven crazy, thanks to his partying and job habits]. No car, no kids, no property. Pretty much, when the man dies, he's gone--there's nothing there to really carry on his name.

The second man, we'll call Ross, is almost a polar opposite. Always worked very hard [except in school], but he picked up a trade early in his life. He's been doing landscaping since he was 16, and now is in his late forties to early fifties. Good as he is, he's never actually owned his own landscaping business, but has always been pretty high up on the ladder. He's got his own house, three kids, a car, and is generally financially secure. However, due to his nature, he's not developed his social skills, and because of that, he has few friends. He's never been much of a party kinda guy. All he knows is to work hard to pay the bills, and to support his family, whom he loves very much.

By chance, Ross needs to do some paperwork at the office, and his car needs some engine work. He hops on the bus, and gets a seat right next to Trent, who reeks of Budweiser and nicotine. The smell nauseates Ross, so he gets up to move. When he gets up, out of nowhere, a semi T-bones the bus, killing both Ross and Trent, as well as some other passengers.

The question I pose to you is this: Who lead the fuller life? The man who partied and enjoyed every minute, or the man who has forgone friendship for responsibility for security?

From the latest article on my site. Since it gets so few hits, I know I won't get the feedback I want, so I bring it here to you. Thoughts?
 
They both led full lives, so long as each was doing exactly what they wanted.








Just a note, I'm falling asleep at the moment. Don't be surprised if I come back later on and post a different opinion. Or just elaborate this one.
 
Happiness is really within one's self.

Different people have different ideas of success, and with that, come different ideas of happiness, and fulfillment of life.

For some, living a rich and full life is having fun, and experiencing different things.

That's important to me, but to me, true success will come when I find love, and when I have a family. For myself, true happiness comes from having loved ones.

I am happiest when I am with my family, or with my friends. To me, happiness is having that love, that bond with other people that you care about. It's not about how much money you have, what possessions you have, or always what experiences you've had, but who you've had them with.

For others, my idea of success and happiness may not be enough. It may not be what they value to be a rich and full life. They may have other ideas. For some, it may be partying hard, enjoying life, and experiencing everything you can. There are probably other ideas of happiness that people have as well.

The only way to find out who led a more full life is to see who was actually -happier- in life.
 
If it has to be one or the other...

In my own opinion, Trent has lead the fuller life (though I may not agree with his methods).

On the one hand is Trent. He has enjoyed every single moment of his life. He has not allowed himself to be tied down to unnecessary responsibility, but has instead pursued his own life. Selfish? Perhaps. But it is fulfilling in knowing that you have lead the life that you wanted, the way that you wanted and that you have gotten everything you wanted.

On the other hand is Ross. He forgoes fun for security. His life is nothing but work and family. He probably knows nothing else. He gets up, works 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. and comes home to a family. He repeats the process five times a week and probably stays at home on the weekends.

The path that I would follow, however, would probably be somewhere in-between that, though.

This question has also piqued my curiosity lately because I've identified as a "Ross" for a great portion of my life.

My $0.02.
 
Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one.

I like the question, however. And I like your writing. I'm at an age where it's a bit of a turning point in my life, settling down, getting good work . . .

I feel like my Trent has died, or is at least terminally ill; Ross is a newborn and growing. I suppose it depends what a person wants out of life -- do you want to be a Stan the man, out at the clubs in your 60s, or do you want to be at home reading to your grandchildren?

I haven't answered your question LOL! I don't think I would be able to, because I have both set of traits.
 
From each mans point of view they would seem happy for the most part. However Trent would be more prone to felling alone. No real concrete friends or family...the other guy has his own kids etc..

To me both men are extreme losers. Neither taking life to the full potential. I would say Trent has more opportunities to be unhappy. Whether or not we know enough about Trent to really determine this is another question.
 
Balance is life, they both missed huge portions of life.

I would suggest that neither were truly happy, and if they were, they would be deluding themselves. However, in accordance to the question, Ross (who I am most like, deep down anyway) has led the more fullfilled life.

Ross FTW.

My £2

His family will continue his legacy, and (I'm assuming) miss him a lot more than Trent's party buddies. He contributed to society, whilst Trent mooched. He must have been truly lonely I feel, whilst Ross musn't be THAT socially handicapped if he's got and kept a wife.
 
Balance is life, they both missed huge portions of life.

I would suggest that neither were truly happy, and if they were, they would be deluding themselves. However, in accordance to the question, Ross (who I am most like, deep down anyway) has led the more fullfilled life.

Ross FTW.

My £2

His family will continue his legacy, and (I'm assuming) miss him a lot more than Trent's party buddies. He contributed to society, whilst Trent mooched. He must have been truly lonely I feel, whilst Ross musn't be THAT socially handicapped if he's got and kept a wife.

Agreed, however I do not think it mentions a wife for Ross just that he has kids...so may be a bit more socialy dumb...but still Ross wins for me.
 
Ross. Even if he was a little too focused on work, he has made good on all that attention. He's settled down, has a family, and now has something for which to work (his family). It's not always smooth sailing, but he's be able to live a pretty stable life.

Trent, on the other hand, is self-centered and only parties because it's what he wants. He has no responsibility and no one looking up to him. His life wastes away, but he's too stoned half the time to even know what's happening. The meaning of "friends" and "family" simply means somewhere to crash and work off a hangover.

Ross wins.
 
Ross. Even if he was a little too focused on work, he has made good on all that attention. He's settled down, has a family, and now has something for which to work (his family). It's not always smooth sailing, but he's be able to live a pretty stable life.

Trent, on the other hand, is self-centered and only parties because it's what he wants. He has no responsibility and no one looking up to him. His life wastes away, but he's too stoned half the time to even know what's happening. The meaning of "friends" and "family" simply means somewhere to crash and work off a hangover.

Ross wins.

I want to show you a picture of Ross and Trent.

Trent


Ross
 
I'm Partial to Ross

although it's much better if commit yourself to a job, a relationship and a family and all the things, but also find time and space for fun, excitement and creativity

a life of fun and a life of responsibility should not be in conflict
 
Drakon, I think you should date Ross more than Trent.

See the whole family thing, sways toward Ross. Even though Ross forego fun and friends for responsibility, he still has his family. His life touched 4 lives (wife and 3 kids) and in essence, he will live on through them. And even though their father was taken from them, he did help shape their lives and what could be more fulfilling knowing your children will carry on some of your legacy.
 
Drakon, I think you should date Ross more than Trent.

See the whole family thing, sways toward Ross. Even though Ross forego fun and friends for responsibility, he still has his family. His life touched 4 lives (wife and 3 kids) and in essence, he will live on through them. And even though their father was taken from them, he did help shape their lives and what could be more fulfilling knowing your children will carry on some of your legacy.

Ross for president
 
Ross. Trent's life was pretty one dimensional to be considered, "full."
 
Ross wins of course, but is that because we assume a wife and kids and being loyal to them more right than not. Well of course we all know the aswer. But at what point in each person life did they choose their paths. If Trent met the right girl would he of been "saved"?
 
I'd agree that neither was very balanced about how they lived their lives. They're two polar opposites on the extreme ends. It's all very subjective, though, and as long as they lived life the way they truly wanted to and on their own terms, then that's all that really matters in the end.

jag
 
Opinion?Fine..i shall say something...it is ovious that Trent is not acting his age.Thus,i can imagine people talk about him behind his back..and is not treated with respect.Some would call him pathetic,because he is at almost a retiring age..and he has nothing.

Ross,on the other hand..has plenty.A firm background,and the status of a hard worker.That always counts for something,but he is not social.His only flaw,in this world..you need to have a good work ethic,but being social is only second place.He should consider being a bit more social,i can imagine he has connections..so this will not be that hard.
 
I mean who would you respect more?

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I see Trent as the guy you could always step on or push over. No confidence.
 
grass is always greener on the other side.

ultimately family has the potential to be more rewarding than endless partying or being a workaholic with no life. But everyone should do the party thing until they see the limitations of the lifestyle or they'll be the family man who feels he never had a chance to be free.
 
Well, I wouldn't have wanted either of their lives. Especially the dying in a bus accident bit.
 
Ive been Trent-I still know both Ross's and Trent's to this day.More interesting I know this Trent/Ross Hybrid. He's successful,No Wife ,No Kids No Property but the guy works hard.He started making a salary when he was 24.Out of all my friends -this guy makes the most money .But he wastes it living like Trent on the weekends and sheltering/supporting other Trent's-types.Hes a dear friend of mine but sadly whenever I see him we get into it over this.Most of the time on weekends hes so drunk you cant have a convo with him.But when he sobers up,sure as hell he comes to me complaining all the money he spent taking the gang to Bonaroo.I mean-Who does that?What grown man pays the way so his other adult friends can go to Bonaroo??

Anyway-I'm biased so I have to go with Ross.In Drakons story Trent is a child who is nothing more then a burden on his family and friends.period
 
Ohh yeah I forgot they died...why did they have to die like that?

because just cause you live a safe and healthy life doesn't mean you'll live to see your golden years.

good enough reason to treat every day like it was your last.
 
because just cause you live a safe and healthy life doesn't mean you'll live to see your golden years.

good enough reason to treat every day like it was your last.

Yeah.

Still Trent did more with his years of course. He has a kid to contiue his legacy.
 
unless his kid doesn't want to.

his kid may end up being an adult slacker who plays video games all day. Wouldn't that mean his father worked hard all his life for nothing?
 

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