And the biggest hate monger in America award goes to...

Oh, without a doubt. Savage is a crazy son of a *****. He makes Rush Limbaugh look sane. Hell, he makes Art Bell look sane. In fact, if Rush Limbaugh and Art Bell could breed and have a crazy, right wing, conspiracy theorist child...Savage would make the child look insane.
 
Two men, two women, same thing.

Okay let's scrap the whole bullying thing for a sec. I personally think it is out of order to raise a child in that enviroment, for the child to be told that being homosexual marriage and family is as normal as a standard family. It isn't. I don't have a problem with homosexual people, as long as they don't try it on with me. I have a couple of gay friends, they are as safe as houses. But if they one day decided to get married and adopt a child I would be totally against it, for the childs sake.

Are you against single parents? I mean, as long as both parents, no matter what their sexuality loves the child and raises them in a good, healthy enviroment, what is the problem? You say you are fine with homosexuality in one sentence, then in the next you say its not normal and a homosexual family cannot be normal. Last I checked families are just people who provide you with unconditional love no matter what. Gender, race, or sexuality does not effect that.
 
Two men, two women, same thing.

Okay let's scrap the whole bullying thing for a sec. I personally think it is out of order to raise a child in that enviroment, for the child to be told that being homosexual marriage and family is as normal as a standard family. It isn't. I don't have a problem with homosexual people, as long as they don't try it on with me. I have a couple of gay friends, they are as safe as houses. But if they one day decided to get married and adopt a child I would be totally against it, for the childs sake.

I want to point out that, with all due respect, I couldn't care less about your opinion if it was being tattooed onto Roseanne's sideboob by Shaq dressed like Jessica Rabbit while five midgets try desperately to form Voltron to combat the evil that is Barbara Striesand's nose. Because, and here's the inside scoop, I know that by the end of the day, I'm not going to change your opinion, even if I disagree with it so much that it actually reverses the earth's rotation. I was just really bothered by your stating that "X is a fact", when X ism undoubtedly, unabashedly, undeniably an opinion, or, at best, a barely plausable thought.

Ahh, lesbian porn. There is nothing in this world that makes me feel so gay. After sitting and watching two girls play clap hands for five minutes, I've never wanted to see a penis so much in my life. I mean, seriously, if I'm watching porn, I want to see a girl get ******, NOT lie there and tickle another girl.

See. [/gay]

It just bothers me when people say "Oh, I hate dems f****ts, it's an uh-front to Gawd, but two purty wemminz is hawt, hurrrrrrrr". That hypocritical crapola, you know?
 
It just bothers me when people say "Oh, I hate dems f****ts, it's an uh-front to Gawd, but two purty wemminz is hawt, hurrrrrrrr". That hypocritical crapola, you know?

I know what you're saying. No double standards, right? I was just letting the internet know about my lack of enthusiasm for lesbian porn. It sucks... actually, it doesn't.
 
Are you against single parents? I mean, as long as both parents, no matter what their sexuality loves the child and raises them in a good, healthy enviroment, what is the problem? You say you are fine with homosexuality in one sentence, then in the next you say its not normal and a homosexual family cannot be normal. Last I checked families are just people who provide you with unconditional love no matter what. Gender, race, or sexuality does not effect that.

I agree 100% with this.

In so far as being bullied, well, when I was a child growing up, I was bullied constantly throughout my schooling because I was one of the few white kids at a predominantly Hispanic school. Does that mean that white people should not be able to live in Hispanic neighborhoods? Hispanics in white neighborhoods, blacks in white neighborhoods, etc... because the "minority" kid might get picked on?

Look, getting picked on and bullied is part of being a kid and growing up. I've been picked on, beaten up, called names, heck I've even been threatened with knives while growing up. Really none of that stuff had any kinds of lasting impacts on me. Maybe some of it got extreme (being threatened with knives) but the rest of it isn't really any different than what any other kid goes through.

Bullying is going to happen no matter what. Doesn't matter who your parents are.

There are children out there being raised by single parents, there are children out there being born into and raised in loveless marriages. How are any of these environments more conducive to a positive upbringing than a homosexual couple? I know a lesbian parent, and she loves her 2 sons more than anything in the world, and works her ass off to take care of them and raise them right.

I understand that a loving mother and father is the most ideal family setting, but a loving mother and father is not what all children have. I do, and I have very blessed to have had that. But many people don't have 2 parents, they have 1. Or they have 2 that don't give a rat's ass.

The best family setting is a loving one, one where the parents raise the children with love and discipline, regardless of gender and orientation.

As far as the rest, i.e. gays getting married and corrupted our family values system - look I'm straight. I know plenty of gay people. I know a gay couple that is "married" (well not legally, as it's not legal here in Tennessee, but they may as well be). None of that is making me gay. I still love females (even if they don't love me in return). My brother's family is not being broken apart. His marriage is not coming down in shambles, his children running wild without discipline because of gay marriage. No, his family system is strong - a strong hard working father figure, a strong selfless hardworking mother figure, 2 sons instilled with love and strict discipline.

If your family foundation is truly as strong as it should be, then you should not feel threatened by outside influences. I know I'm not threatened by gays, or the possibilities of them getting married or raising children.

People talk about the sanction of marriage, about the union of a man and woman in front of the eyes of God. First of all, not all marriages are Christian marriages. ALL religions get married, not just Christians, so these marriages are in the eyes of VARIOUS gods, as not all religions worship the same Lord.

Secondly, not all marriages are even religious ceremonies. I can name 3 marriages off the top of my head that were not even done in a church in front of god, but in a courthouse in front of a judge: my mother and father, my brother and sister in law, and my ex-friend Karina to her long time boyfriend / fiance. How can these be holy unions in the eyes of God when they weren't even done before God? On top of the fact that many people don't even believe in God, or don't believe in the same Christian God that so many people cry about these gay marriages being an affront to.

I don't even agree with the -act- of homosexuality. But this nation is based so that people can live a life that others don't agree with or approve of. The rights and freedoms of people in this nation are it's strongest aspect, stronger than any religious fundamentals, and as a nation, as America, people's personal liberties need to weigh in heavier than religious ideals, Christian or otherwise.

Agree with their "lifestyle" or not, approve of it or not, homosexuals are human beings, and as such deserve the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. The rights to get married and raise children are among those freedoms. They are not tearing down the American family structure, if your family foundation is strong enough, then nothing should be able to tear it apart. So why feel so threatened?
 
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I agree 100% with this.

In so far as being bullied, well, when I was a child growing up, I was bullied constantly throughout my schooling because I was one of the few white kids at a predominantly Hispanic school. Does that mean that white people should not be able to live in Hispanic neighborhoods? Hispanics in white neighborhoods, blacks in white neighborhoods, etc... because the "minority" kid might get picked on?

Look, getting picked on and bullied is part of being a kid and growing up. I've been picked on, beaten up, called names, heck I've even been threatened with knives while growing up. Really none of that stuff had any kinds of lasting impacts on me. Maybe some of it got extreme (being threatened with knives) but the rest of it isn't really any different than what any other kid goes through.

Bullying is going to happen no matter what. Doesn't matter who your parents are.

There are children out there being raised by single parents, there are children out there being born into and raised in loveless marriages. How are any of these environments more conducive to a positive upbringing than a homosexual couple? I know a lesbian parent, and she loves her 2 sons more than anything in the world, and works her ass off to take care of them and raise them right.

I understand that a loving mother and father is the most ideal family setting, but a loving mother and father is not what all children have. I do, and I have very blessed to have had that. But many people don't have 2 parents, they have 1. Or they have 2 that don't give a rat's ass.

The best family setting is a loving one, one where the parents raise the children with love and discipline, regardless of gender and orientation.

As far as the rest, i.e. gays getting married and corrupted our family values system - look I'm straight. I know plenty of gay people. I know a gay couple that is "married" (well not legally, as it's not legal here in Tennessee, but they may as well be). None of that is making me gay. I still love females (even if they don't love me in return). My brother's family is not being broken apart. His marriage is not coming down in shambles, his children running wild without discipline because of gay marriage. No, his family system is strong - a strong hard working father figure, a strong selfless hardworking mother figure, 2 sons instilled with love and strict discipline.

If your family foundation is truly as strong as it should be, then you should not feel threatened by outside influences. I know I'm not threatened by gays, or the possibilities of them getting married or raising children.

People talk about the sanction of marriage, about the union of a man and woman in front of the eyes of God. First of all, not all marriages are Christian marriages. ALL religions get married, not just Christians, so these marriages are in the eyes of VARIOUS gods, as not all religions worship the same Lord.

Secondly, not all marriages are even religious ceremonies. I can name 3 marriages off the top of my head that were not even done in a church in front of god, but in a courthouse in front of a judge: my mother and father, my brother and sister in law, and my ex-friend Karina to her long time boyfriend / fiance. How can these be holy unions in the eyes of God when they weren't even done before God? On top of the fact that many people don't even believe in God, or don't believe in the same Christian God that so many people cry about these gay marriages being an affront to.

I don't even agree with the -act- of homosexuality. But this nation is based so that people can live a life that others don't agree with or approve of. The rights and freedoms of people in this nation are it's strongest aspect, stronger than any religious fundamentals, and as a nation, as America, people's personal liberties need to weigh in heavier than religious ideals, Christian or otherwise.

Agree with their "lifestyle" or not, approve of it or not, homosexuals are human beings, and as such deserve the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. The rights to get married and raise children are among those freedoms. They are not tearing down the American family structure, if your family foundation is strong enough, then nothing should be able to tear it apart. So why feel so threatened?

Well said.

Ace, I have a question. Do not feel attacked, I sincerely would like to know your thoughts on this. What if a homosexual hires a surrogate mother to carry his child or has sex with a female friend to carry his child, or even has a drunken fling and knocks her up. The mother wants nothing to do with the child and abandons it...would you prefer the child be sent to foster care or an orphanage instead of allowing a homosexual to raise it with his partner, even though he is the biological father? Do you feel that such should be the law for these types of situations?
 
I know what you're saying. No double standards, right? I was just letting the internet know about my lack of enthusiasm for lesbian porn. It sucks... actually, it doesn't.

Although I know a hell of alot of straight girls who prefer it. Strange.

I'm the same though, if there's no meat, I'd be less likely to beat.
 
Although I know a hell of alot of straight girls who prefer it. Strange.

I'm the same though, if there's no meat, I'd be less likely to beat.

You're a true poet :word:
 
It just bothers me when people say "Oh, I hate dems f****ts, it's an uh-front to Gawd, but two purty wemminz is hawt, hurrrrrrrr". That hypocritical crapola, you know?

Welcome to my high school. The most homophobic guys there, who whipped out the "it's a sin!" card, were all over lesbian porn. Apparently it's only a sin if you don't personally find it arousing.

Also, one guy who acted totally homophobic- to fit in, I assume- now lives with his boyfriend, and they send each other mushy messages back and forth on Facebook all day long.
 
Welcome to my high school. The most homophobic guys there, who whipped out the "it's a sin!" card, were all over lesbian porn. Apparently it's only a sin if you don't personally find it arousing.

Also, one guy who acted totally homophobic- to fit in, I assume- now lives with his boyfriend, and they send each other mushy messages back and forth on Facebook all day long.


all over lesbian porn = gay
 
I look at porn like I look at food myself. Sometimes, I want a steak, and by that, I mean I want to see a girl getting done by like, 4 dudes. Then other times, I'll go with a salad. And by salad, I mean lesbians, particularly those girls from We Live Together. Then other times, I just want to eat a box of cookies over the sink, by which I mean one girl doing things to herself. I find with a balanced diet of straight, lesbian, and solo porn, with the occaisional bondage scene thrown in, you end up a lot happier all around.

But I think we're off topic here. To get back on topic...Ace of Knaves, it disgusts me that your screen name is even slightly related to mine via a character. Don't try the "some of my best friends!" line either, as that's been used since the god damn 50's usually like this, "Some of my best friends are negros, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote!"

Editted this for your own good. He is not worth it. I know its hard in a conversation along these lines, but don't get so caught up in it please.

---Matt
 
lol.

"I'm a centrist moderate!" is like the new black.

Centrist moderates just as extremist in their centrist moderation, yo:dry:

So much hate, so much hate.

But I'm used to being persecuted for my moderate political leanings. We shall overcome.
 
I listen to him because it just appalls me what he says at times. It's like people that watch crap and hate it but can't turn away.
 
I'm not being a bigot, i'm just stating how i'd feel about it. It's a 100% fact that the kid will be tormented every single day. Is that right? No of course not. But is it true? Yes of course it is. I just don't think it's fair that a child should be put through that.

It's completely different from single parenting. A single parent can explain to a child why the other half isn't there. Now how can two gay men explain to their child that "Oh you're not like other kids, you don't have a mother you just have two dads. Your special" Thats BS, it's not special, it's not normal IMO it's wrong. It's selfish on the two gay blokes part. I haven't got a problem with gay people, none atall. But i do have a problem when they wish to raise a child together, i think it's wrong.

Both my parents are short, around 5'6"-ish, I'm actually taller than both of them, but still a little shorter than the norm. I was almost always the shortest in my class, due to this I got picked on in school. By your logic, my parents shouldn't have had me because there was no way I'd be tall and therefore get bullied because of my height.
 
Both my parents are short, around 5'6"-ish, I'm actually taller than both of them, but still a little shorter than the norm. I was almost always the shortest in my class, due to this I got picked on in school. By your logic, my parents shouldn't have had me because there was no way I'd be tall and therefore get bullied because of my height.

That's why extremely short chicks always have this need to go for guys that are 6ft. or higher...they want their kids to have those genes subconsciously. :oldrazz:
 
Well said.

Ace, I have a question. Do not feel attacked, I sincerely would like to know your thoughts on this. What if a homosexual hires a surrogate mother to carry his child or has sex with a female friend to carry his child, or even has a drunken fling and knocks her up. The mother wants nothing to do with the child and abandons it...would you prefer the child be sent to foster care or an orphanage instead of allowing a homosexual to raise it with his partner, even though he is the biological father? Do you feel that such should be the law for these types of situations?

Well nah foster care would be harsh, if the homosexual father was actually the biological father and a woman gave birth to the child for him then I wouldn't have a problem. As long as the child is with their real, blood parent or parents and they are loved it's all good.

What i've been trying to say all along is this, I just find it quite unerving to have two gay men or women married who just adopt a child. It just doesn't seem right to me.
 
I look at porn like I look at food myself. Sometimes, I want a steak, and by that, I mean I want to see a girl getting done by like, 4 dudes. Then other times, I'll go with a salad. And by salad, I mean lesbians, particularly those girls from We Live Together. Then other times, I just want to eat a box of cookies over the sink, by which I mean one girl doing things to herself. I find with a balanced diet of straight, lesbian, and solo porn, with the occaisional bondage scene thrown in, you end up a lot happier all around.

But I think we're off topic here. To get back on topic...Ace of Knaves, it disgusts me that your screen name is even slightly related to mine via a character. Don't try the "some of my best friends!" line either, as that's been used since the god damn 50's usually like this, "Some of my best friends are negros, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote!"

Editted this for your own good. He is not worth it. I know its hard in a conversation along these lines, but don't get so caught up in it please.

---Matt

Whats your problem man? You think I hate homosexuals or something? Course I don't! Why is hard for people to understand that I, personally don't like the thought of a child being brought up in a homosexual family? I ain't trying to change anyones mind or nothing or spitting pure hate like a religious fanatic. Chill out.
 
Whats your problem man? You think I hate homosexuals or something? Course I don't! Why is hard for people to understand that I, personally don't like the thought of a child being brought up in a homosexual family? I ain't trying to change anyones mind or nothing or spitting pure hate like a religious fanatic. Chill out.

So you're cool with gay people, just as long as they don't have the same rights that you have. I wonder if what you'd be like in the Jim Crow south, "Oh, I'm cool with black people, just as long as they do drink out of my water fountain or sit in the front of the bus"
 
I know 3 people that were raised in homosexual families. One a single parent, the other 2 couples.
All three have no negative associations with the way they were raised, or have had any (or any more) problems growing up than most other people I know who were raised in straight families (or with a straight single parent). In some cases, they've had less problems.
All 3 of these people are straight also.

Also, saying you're cool with homosexuals but saying that it's not normal and they shouldn't be able to get married or raise kids isn't helping your argument about you not being a bigot either.

Finally, you say that homosexual parents shouldn't raise children, but if one of those parents happens to be a biological parent then it's ok??
Are you aware of how many kids go unwanted at foster homes?
Are you trying to say that a homosexual has the ability to raise a child properly if they are a biological parent, but somehow those parenting skills magically disappear if they aren't (a biological parent)?
Your logic is really off on this part..please explain more clearly what you meant by this.
 
So you're cool with gay people, just as long as they don't have the same rights that you have. I wonder if what you'd be like in the Jim Crow south, "Oh, I'm cool with black people, just as long as they do drink out of my water fountain or sit in the front of the bus"


It's not like that atall.

I'm thinking of the childs best interests, not because I hate homosexuals. If the child is brought up in a loving family and isn't ridiculed or nothing then great, that's perfect. But I bet 9 times out of 10 that childs life will be harder. Even when they grow up and go out to work there will always be some pregidist towards them. Even subconsiously humans judge people.
Maybe it will be harder for them to socialise. The world isn't all nice and dandy there will always be someone taking the piss out of them for having homosexual parents, it's just common sense to know that. Is that fair or right? No I think it's bang out of order. I wouldn't actually abuse or take the piss out of some one in that position. But there will always be other people who will.

And don't try and say it's the same principle as someone having a single parent or disabled parent because it's not. There was loads of single parent kids at my school and no one would take the piss out of them for that reason.
 
I know 3 people that were raised in homosexual families. One a single parent, the other 2 couples.
All three have no negative associations with the way they were raised, or have had any (or any more) problems growing up than most other people I know who were raised in straight families (or with a straight single parent). In some cases, they've had less problems.
All 3 of these people are straight also.

Also, saying you're cool with homosexuals but saying that it's not normal and they shouldn't be able to get married or raise kids isn't helping your argument about you not being a bigot either.

Finally, you say that homosexual parents shouldn't raise children, but if one of those parents happens to be a biological parent then it's ok??
Are you aware of how many kids go unwanted at foster homes?
Are you trying to say that a homosexual has the ability to raise a child properly if they are a biological parent, but somehow those parenting skills magically disappear if they aren't (a biological parent)?
Your logic is really off on this part..please explain more clearly what you meant by this.

I'm not saying their parenting skills would magically disapear. I'm just saying that I personally find it a little un-nerving that just two random homosexual people can just go and adopt a child.
 
I'm not being a bigot, i'm just stating how i'd feel about it. It's a 100% fact that the kid will be tormented every single day.

No, it isn't.

I know gay couples who have raised children who were never tormented because they had two mothers or two fathers raise them. In fact, the majority of children raised by gay couples are no different from those who are raised by heterosexual couples. There is at least one very profound scientific study which I posted here a while back which says the same thing, that children raised by homosexuals experience neither torment, a desire to adhere to their parents' orientation, or developmental problems due to their surroundings.

This is such a stupid claim to make.
 

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