And you thought the crap marvel have been spouting so far was bad

[roach]

and that's your preference, that's fair enough. I think now's a good time to say wasn't it millar and mcnivens decision not to have a guest artist and have it one month late instead? they obviously thought more people would chose the second option. meh.

No it was Tom Brevoort's decision.....Millar found out when we did the issue wasnt going out on time(according to his posts at Newsarama). In fact they thought that was what Marvel was gonna do...bring in a fill-in artist

 

[MyPokerShirt]

option three, just the artist the lead time he needs before soliciting the series or set up fill-in artists that can compliment the artist's style. Add a fill-in story on the regular series before your civil war tie-ins start too.

guess so. but with the industry the way it is, it needed to be a summer event really. so once they had the idea they had to go with it as quick as they could. you highlight the first great point i've heard as to this being something to moan about though: shouldn't mcniven have asked for more time months ago and thus they could have put the delay on the solicitations a while back? hmmm, i'll give you the announcement itself seems a bit rushed. As if mcniven showed up in the office on monday and went "oh yeah, i cant get it done in time. sorry"

 

[roach]

guess so. but with the industry the way it is, it needed to be a summer event really. so once they had the idea they had to go with it as quick as they could. you highlight the first great point i've heard as to this being something to moan about though: shouldn't mcniven have asked for more time months ago and thus they could have put the delay on the solicitations a while back? hmmm, i'll give you the announcement itself seems a bit rushed. As if mcniven showed up in the office on monday and went "oh yeah, i cant get it done in time. sorry"

no it was rushed to steal IC#7's thunder

 

[MyPokerShirt]

No it was Tom Brevoort's decision.

you sure? do you have a quote?? anyway, im gonna go watch some japanese manga (not pornographic, i swear). try to go easy on my posts while im not around...

 

[Doc Destruction]

No it was Tom Brevoort's decision.....Millar found out when we did the issue wasnt going out on time(according to his posts at Newsarama). In fact they thought that was what Marvel was gonna do...bring in a fill-in artist

Yes, and in spectacular stupidity fashion, Breevort said "fill-in artists suck". SO HIRE A BETTER FILL-IN ARTIST, MORON.

 

[Doc Destruction]

no it was rushed to steal IC#7's thunder

Bingo.

 

[roach]

you sure? do you have a quote?? anyway, im gonna go watch some japanese manga (not pornographic, i swear). try to go easy on my posts while im not around...

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80780

 

[roach]

Bingo.

there was no build up to CW..it just happened and all of a sudden we are expected to believe all the mischaracterizations

 

[Xofenroht]

guess so. but with the industry the way it is, it needed to be a summer event really. so once they had the idea they had to go with it as quick as they could.

So what, they could catch a season? Is Earth slated to run out of Summers anytime soon? They could have waited for this event and so given every writer ample time to get their characters and storylines ready and/or wrapped up in order to support this large-Marvel Universe-spanning event. I'm glad that Civil-War isn't consuming all of my time and suspense. Thank Vertigo there's a "Fables" and final issue of the "Neverwhere" mini to await.

 

[Xofenroht]

you sure? do you have a quote?? anyway, im gonna go watch some japanese manga (not pornographic, i swear). try to go easy on my posts while im not around...

Ummm...anime?

 

[Xofenroht]

there was no build up to CW..it just happened and all of a sudden we are expected to believe all the mischaracterizations

Thank you, because I almost said that but didn't because I knew someone sensible would.

 

[Doc Destruction]

there was no build up to CW..it just happened and all of a sudden we are expected to believe all the mischaracterizations

I SAID THE SAME DAMN THING! I made a post on it and got RAILED for it.

Thank you, I thought I was losing my damn mind.

 

[hippy fascist]

Work is work. Obviously getting a comic done in a month can be done, since many artists do it.

Edit: Which DD just said himself above me.

exactly, if it's so hard how does bagley manage to get two issues of asm out a month?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, and in spectacular stupidity fashion, Breevort said "fill-in artists suck". SO HIRE A BETTER FILL-IN ARTIST, MORON.

I think the gist of that comment was actually that using a fill-in artist breaks the narrative flow, since different artists tell a story in different ways.

 

[PWN3R]

Here from one of marvel's worst offenders when it comes to delays are the thoughts of Brain Hitch as posted on the millar world forums RE marvels decision to delay pretty much half their current line-up

BRYAN HITCH!

It's also their CHOICE. Marvel had the choice to get a fill-in or even a little help. Mark and Steve both expected it by this stage and were okay with it. NOBODY on the creative end of MCW asked Marvel to do what they have done. This came from Marvel because of how they feel about it and because THEY want Mark and Steve together until the end. McN isn't drastically behind and they gave him some breathing room to sneak past the finish. Great. Hoorah.

On a world scale of events this really shouldn't register on your give-a-****-o'metres. Why not all go out and lose your virginity or something?

Hitchy

haha! I love Bryan Hitch, I dont care about the delays, the guy's art is freakin magical.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I think the gist of that comment was actually that using a fill-in artist breaks the narrative flow, since different artists tell a story in different ways.

Which is what happens when the talent runs the show. This isn't an art museum, it's a comic book industry. Have one or two REALLY good fill-in guys ready at all times, then.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Take it to private messages, or roach..just give up. He's not getting it.

 

[gildea]

let me explain my post since you obviously didnt get it. Civil War and New Avengers are the best selling books out there(quality otherwise). Amazing Spider-man is also a book that is up there. By postponing these books comic book stores that would otherwise benefit from these sales boosts dont get that critical dough(since i am assuming you know that comic book shops are an Endangered Species). Yes there are other books to sell(and for you to assume that all I would sell is CW and NA dropps your credibility) but none sell at their level.

To be honest if your business is in such dire straits that you need certain issues to come out on certain dates when you have a whole shop full of comics then you're running it pretty poorly.

 

[roach]

*please lord i pray for them to have understanding*

 

[The Cleric]

thats what i said... might as well closed that shop down

 

[hippy fascist]

or another way to look at it is that regular titles that sell well allow comic shops to take a chance on low-expectation indies knowing that they have the money from the top sellers to fall back on.

It's like the music industry, much as I hate poppy crap, because of it's vast sales record companies and music shops can then stock decent lower profile music for proper fans.

To say that comic book shops don't need the likes of fantastic four and amazing spider-man is just naive. Most of them are on the breadline as it is so they rely on high profile events like civil war to provide much needed revenue injections that will help with slow periods later in the year. Also comic book FANS are a dying breed. Civil war was bringing in new readers but now, those people will find other things to spend their money on since they aren't as commited as the rest of us. We the readers may not feel the repurcussions straight away but as more and more comic book shops close down every month due to dwindling sales, events like civil war are one of the few things breathing life into a dying industry. That's why this is such a colosal **** up and that why we SHOULD be pissed.

You or I may be willing to wait three months between issues of ultimates, someone who is just getting started will say **** this and just go buy a video game instead and poof there goes another potential customer.

 

[gildea]

For a comic shop to "need" the sales of CW on a particular day to survive simply means they are running their business badly. Simple as that.

If you've been following the sales charts over the past few years you'll notice the about 5 years ago the top selling books where around 100000 to get to the top of the charts. Now days everybook in the top 15 or so sells these number as such retailers are in a much stronger position.

Sure civil war is the money pot for them but If you rely on big sellers like that coming along then you're a bad business man (ie what if civil war flopped in sales?)

 

[gildea]

Most of them are on the breadline as it is so they rely on high profile events like civil war to provide much needed revenue injections that will help with slow periods later in the year. Also comic book FANS are a dying breed.

I disagree. Most comic retailers are smart minded buisness people who are not in need of CW to come out on a particular day to survive. These are people who survived the market crash---they know what they are doing.

And as I pointed out comic sales are a lot higher now than 5 years ago.

 

[hippy fascist]

Most people who own LCS's don't do it to become rich, they do it because they love comics. Good business is shipping loads of mainstream stuff and saying **** the indies they won't sell. Is this what you want? How about this, if it wasn't for monster sellers and crossovers comic book stores wouldn't have taken a chance on the likes of preacher or invincible. Do you want books like this to die out just so you can be right?

 

[roach]

or another way to look at it is that regular titles that sell well allow comic shops to take a chance on low-expectation indies knowing that they have the money from the top sellers to fall back on.
It's like the music industry, much as I hate poppy crap, because of it's vast sales record companies and music shops can then stock decent lower profile music for proper fans.

To say that comic book shops don't need the likes of fantastic four and amazing spider-man is just naive. Most of them are on the breadline as it is so they rely on high profile events like civil war to provide much needed revenue injections that will help with slow periods later in the year.

go ask you LCS owner how this has affected him