And you thought the crap marvel have been spouting so far was bad

gildea said:
This is what it really comes down to.

I myself want comics with consistant art so i'll wait for the ultimates

Roach wants his comics on time so he won't wait. (not trying to imply that all comics on time have inconsistant art btw)

If everyone was as sensible as roach we would see a lot less late books if thats what we want.


exactly...however this late comic is impacting a lot of other comics.
My views are if you are hired to put out a monthly comic then you should do just that.....anything short is a failure of doing your job. Yes I know things happen and things pop up but to me this seemed like Marvel grabbed a popular but slow artist to handle a high profile job and no one questioned his ability to be on time.
 
I actually agree with Tom B's comments about the end of monthly comics, cool, so solicit accordingly in the future, its that easy.
 
Mr. Green said:
Unnecessary? Maybe. Hillarious? Most definately. :) :up:

I think some comic fans need to relax and have a sense of humor about things. Hitch has a good point. It really isn't a big deal in the big scheme of things. At least not to the point of going off on how crappy Millar is and so on.

See this is what pisses me off most, the oh, it's just a late comic book, no big deal in the great scheme of things. Comic book readers aren't allowing to b*tch about the things that bother them. Let's take another example, this year's Chicago Cubs, there are many people in the city that are b*tching up a storm about their performance, wanting upper management fired and everything because they tried of getting the same old song and dance. However, if you take the comic book reader approach to this, people shouldn't be b*tching because really it's just a game, it shouldn't matter so much, we should care about the war in Iraq, terrorism, getting laid, not about a stupid baseball team. Yet, you never get that, because for some reason, we realize baseball fans can do more than just focus on baseball, comic fans can't, we only care if a book we want is late, nothing else in the world matters until this is fixed. I'm sick of the double standard, I can care that the Cubs suck, but I can't care that a comic book I'd like to read isn't coming out on time?
 
I have news...if someone I buy product for screws up, and then they call me a virgin loser with no life, they aren't getting my money anymore.
 
I dont buy Ultimates anyway, he just gave me another reason not to.
 
Darthphere said:
I dont buy Ultimates anyway, he just gave me another reason not to.

Next time I see Hitch, I'm going to tell him how paying that 3 bucks for his book kept an extra gallon out of my gas tank and chicks hate the "I don't have enough gas" excuse.
 
It isn't nonsense. It's bad business practice that you eat like crap with a silver spoon and think it tastes wonderful. Someone around here is wrong. Give you a hint, starts with C and ends in leric.
 
Doc Destruction said:
It isn't nonsense. It's bad business practice that you eat like crap with a silver spoon and think it tastes wonderful. Someone around here is wrong. Give you a hint, starts with C and ends in leric.


Choleric?:confused:
 
calm down guys Im not riled up or anything....if anything I see Cleric as a challenge
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Why is it that the best artists seem to be the biggest jerks?
Simple. Treat someone like they're hot ****, that they can do no wrong, that they're totally irreplaceable and that without them, the company would be in a poorer place and never recover, and they tend to ACT like they're hot ****, who are totally irreplaceable, who can do no wrong, and without them, the company would be in a poorer place.

It's true for artists, writers, and people in general. Inflate their ego's, and you get inflated ego's. You reap what you sow.
 
I thought Hitch's comment was funny too. I love the guy put he should realize:

1. We(the readers) pay our money that we work for, to get these books. It is no longer a cheap hooby. Comics are expensive, I spend way too much money on this crap, but you know what? I like it.

2. When you spend money on a product that is suppose to come out every month, then I see no reason why it should not come out every month. Hundreds of titles are always on time, so what gives you/others the right to be late? If they are comic book artists, then that is their profession, get to work you lazy bums!:mad:

3. De-grading your fans is not smart. And if you're in that bad of a mood to people you have never even seen, than I feel for you friends and family Hitch.:(



But your art is sexy.:O
 
Ultimates is a ****ty book anyway.
Still, on the *******-o-meter, John Byrne has this guy beat. :o
 
:up:
Wolverazio said:
Swearing at strangers (whether it is censored or not) is not typically polite.

Though, I'm sure you (or some other "new" user) will just show up and accuse me of bringing up old ****.

LOL :woot: :up:

Right, can someone make a thread for cleric/slim31 and leaguer to take pot shot's at each other. Now that I'd read!
 
Ben Urich said:
Ultimates is a ****ty book anyway.
Still, on the *******-o-meter, John Byrne has this guy beat. :o

Can someone point me to what John Byrne did that makes him equal to Hitler. I haven't read comics since the 90's so anytime his name is brought up, I always wonder WTF happened.
 
SonOfCthulhu said:
Can someone point me to what John Byrne did that makes him equal to Hitler. I haven't read comics since the 90's so anytime his name is brought up, I always wonder WTF happened.

I really don't know what it was, I'd like to know too actually.

Nice name by the way. Lovecraft is a genius in my opinion.
 
I think Hitch's comments were incredibly inappropriate. I can understand him defending the lateness; he works for Marvel and Marvel's not about to apologize for anything, so that comes as no surprise. But personally attacking people and that whole bit about losing your virginity was just uncalled-for.
 
BrianWilly said:
I think Hitch's comments were incredibly inappropriate. I can understand him defending the lateness; he works for Marvel and Marvel's not about to apologize for anything, so that comes as no surprise. But personally attacking people and that whole bit about losing your virginity was just uncalled-for.

:up:

Finally someone realises that this thread was about Hitch's comments rather than just another thread about the delays!
 
SonOfCthulhu said:
Can someone point me to what John Byrne did that makes him equal to Hitler. I haven't read comics since the 90's so anytime his name is brought up, I always wonder WTF happened.


Here it is in a nutshell: He speaks his mind. When public figures do it, they're a-holes. When anonymous internet virgins do it, they're "voicing their opinion."
 
Xofenroht said:
Lovecraft is a genius in my opinion.
:up: :)

Thanks.

And I agree that this really is a bad way to repay the comic shop owners. Marvel's editors need to a better job of standing behind their delivery dates.
 
MyPokerShirt said:
It's just one month late. He has a point. Surely you all have lives and can wait an extra month? Where in the bible, the constitution or the geneva convention (which i keep calling the genosha convention... in public) does it say it has to come out every month?? Movies are delayed; books are delayed; house payments are delayed; freaking international peace treaty summits are delayed and people don't kick up this much fuss! It sucks, i know, and Hitch seems to be acting like an *******, but he was clearly replying to arrogant, onna get flamed.

A little late but wanted to comment on this, and there is a big difference. A certain director may only make one movie a year, comics come out once a month, some writers/artists work on several at a time, so let's say one artist works on 4 comics a month making it roughly 1 a week. This can't be compared to a movie that comes out late because a movie has far more details and much more that goes onto it, one part doesn't work and a whole movie may need to be re-arranged. A comic on the other hand is more akin to a weekly TV series, and this overall is like every other episode of Lost being a week or two late after it premiers. The TV fans would be ticked, and most would watch it less and less causing overall ratings to fall, and if the maker or director or whatever came out and said "How about instead of waiting for the new episode you all go get laid", there'd be a backlash (and possibly cause it's cancellation in the long run).

Marvel is a buisness, when it delivers its products late often, that is bad buisness and will only hurt it. When ppl like him insult the fans who lash out, it doesn't resolve anything but to tick off and rile up the fans who lash out even more. If ppl start to know marvel by it's lateness and smart ass employess that will hurt it, even if a late comic is hardly a big thing. If I went to a local McDonalds and everytime I ordered anything it was 10 mins late and the cashier said crap to me when I asked if it was almost done, I'd start going to Burger King.


Edit- Also this is what's hurt other companies. Look at Mcfarlane's group, while I never followed anything but spawn, they were basically a lot of young talent that left other comic book companies to start their own. At the start it was great, but over time with all the uppity 'creative' artists all grouped together making their own deadlines and so on, books became later and later. I've heard a lot of ppl complain about that, and you hardly hear about them anymore, where as once they could have been the third huge company rivaling Marvel and DC. Marvel for the most part has been good about releases, but if they start letting ppl getting their work in late, then giving smart ass remarks about it it'll slowly become acceptable. Holding a great company to it's own standard isn't over reacting, when a product allows little things to happen and slip ups to occur they only hurt themselves and their product. The fans buy it, and as the customers they have the right to complain when they there's problems with the product.
 
FadingCB said:
If I went to a local McDonalds and everytime I ordered anything it was 10 mins late and the cashier said crap to me when I asked if it was almost done, I'd start going to Burger King.

And would you then spend day upon day posting about it on the internet?
 
Doc Destruction said:
$100 says cleric IS Slim31.


He is and both accounts are on probation. No more talk about this troll please
 

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