And you thought the crap marvel have been spouting so far was bad

[SpideyInATree]

LOL! Im not offended at all. I could really care less what hitch has to say about my virginity or lack thereof. Everytime I try to get out, they pull me back in! About the Hitch question. No, hes not allowed to do that. People complain about Windows all the time, Windows sucks, its always crashing, it never works. What if Bill Gates poster something online telling those people to go out and lose their virginity? I can just see the mainstream media attention, windows user backlash, the ****storm it would create. Oh, im sorry this is comics, they can get away with that. For some who claims not to be defending it, you seem to be doing a lot of it.

Comic books are a lot different than Windows.

Comic books are entertainment. There are people who use Windows for, you know, something REALLY important. Like work. Real life. So, no you're not going to see Bill Gates come on the Windows Official message board and be like, "Windows is perfect you ungrateful bastards, go lose your virginity".

The guy draws a comic book, he doesn't program and market a computer operating system that, pretty much, the entire world uses.

So, yes, Bryan Hitch can come on a message board and have an opinion. He's allowed. Should he be insulting people? As I said in the earlier post, no, he shouldn't have whether it was jokingly or not. But people seem to be taking it personally. Why? Because you've complained about late books before? Who HASN'T complained about late comic books before?

But there is a difference between.

"Man, Civil War is late now?! THAT SUCKS! I was really looking forward to this. What is up with McNiven? He sick or something? I guess it's good not to have a fill in artist and mess up the mood of the miniseries...but hopefully McNiven isn't TOO late"

...and

"Marvel is so gay! Joe Quesada is such a fat piece of garbage! JMS is a hack! Bendis is an ego centric jerk off who gives handjobs for crack! And now Steve McNiven is a piece of garbage for this lateness! What an *******!"

But, see, I guess it's OK for certain fans to throw around insults at human beings they don't even know simply because they're favorite characters aren't being written the way they feel they should. Or they can insult other human beings because of a late comic book, huh?

But when the comic creator comes along and gives people a taste of their own medicine...oh, suddenly that creator is out of line and doesn't have a right to do that even though there have been posters personally insulting him for years now? Hmmmm.

As I said before...how would you like it if there were hundreds to thousands of people on an Internet message board criticizing all the work you did at YOUR job? And people were calling you a "hack" and a "fat piece of ****" because you didn't do your work up to "their" standard. Not cool, huh?

 

[hippy fascist]

"Marvel is so gay! Joe Quesada is such a fat piece of garbage! JMS is a hack! Bendis is an ego centric jerk off who gives handjobs for crack! And now Steve McNiven is a piece of garbage for this lateness! What an *******!"

I'm glad we agree

 

[Darthphere]

Comic books are a lot different than Windows.

Comic books are entertainment. There are people who use Windows for, you know, something REALLY important. Like work. Real life. So, no you're not going to see Bill Gates come on the Windows Official message board and be like, "Windows is perfect you ungrateful bastards, go lose your virginity".

The guy draws a comic book, he doesn't program and market a computer operating system that, pretty much, the entire world uses.

So, yes, Bryan Hitch can come on a message board and have an opinion. He's allowed. Should he be insulting people? As I said in the earlier post, no, he shouldn't have whether it was jokingly or not. But people seem to be taking it personally. Why? Because you've complained about late books before? Who HASN'T complained about late comic books before?

But there is a difference between.

"Man, Civil War is late now?! THAT SUCKS! I was really looking forward to this. What is up with McNiven? He sick or something? I guess it's good not to have a fill in artist and mess up the mood of the miniseries...but hopefully McNiven isn't TOO late"

...and

"Marvel is so gay! Joe Quesada is such a fat piece of garbage! JMS is a hack! Bendis is an ego centric jerk off who gives handjobs for crack! And now Steve McNiven is a piece of garbage for this lateness! What an *******!"

But, see, I guess it's OK for certain fans to throw around insults at human beings they don't even know simply because they're favorite characters aren't being written the way they feel they should. Or they can insult other human beings because of a late comic book, huh?

But when the comic creator comes along and gives people a taste of their own medicine...oh, suddenly that creator is out of line and doesn't have a right to do that even though there have been posters personally insulting him for years now? Hmmmm.

As I said before...how would you like it if there were hundreds to thousands of people on an Internet message board criticizing all the work you did at YOUR job? And people were calling you a "hack" and a "fat piece of ****" because you didn't do your work up to "their" standard. Not cool, huh?

Comic book readers as a whole, have every right to call Bryan Hitch's work ethic into question. they gained that right the moment they dropped down $3 for a copy of Ultimates. Maybe the comments where a little too on the nose for him, but suffice to say the compalint is vaild as Ultimates 12 is how many months late now, and has been pushed back another 2 weeks already. The argument youre using isnt valid at all. I dont work in a public medium, or a medium as subjective as comic book art. At least in this thread other than maybe Hippy nobody has said OMG Marvel is gay. Also, you could use the same argument that the fanboys are overreacting, the same way Hitch did. Millar and McNiven handled the situation beautifully I may add. They apologized, and promised to bring us a quality product. Notice how no one is complaining about their comments, only the ones from Hitch, Brevoort and somewhat Quesada. but as a whole, the actual people involved with Civil War did what they had to do. Hitch butted in and is now paying the piper. You may say, its only a comic book, youre taking this too seriously, but hey Hitch, its only the internet, youre taking this too seriously. people get insulted all the time, but in the comic book world, if you actually sat down and did your job, there would be no reason to insult anyone. Is it harsh? Sure. But people dont like being messed with, especially when you are a fan of a medium that has become way too expensive. Same way people yell at me on the phone when I call them up to sell them a magazine or do a survey, I have to take it, because the moment I insult the dude on the other line, thats it im axed. Fired. terminated. We have far too many rockstar creators in the comic book world who think they can get away with a lot.

 

[hippy fascist]

I didn't say marvel was gay and if I did it was sarcastic. I've already said that Miller and McNiven handled it like perfect gentleman and when things descended into "****ing civil war shouldn't be late" I tried to steer people back to the central point, hitch's comments were out of line. Other than that I've made my piece with the lateness.

Also it's not like hitch let's ultimates slip by a few weeks or something, some of the books had 3-4 month gaps between them, that is just taking the piss. I'm all for art but four months to draw 26 ish pages is taking liberties

 

[Darthphere]

I didn't say marvel was gay and if I did it was sarcastic. I've already said that Miller and McNiven handled it like p[erfect gentleman and when things descended into "****ing civil war shouldn't be late" I tried to steer people back to the central point, hitch's comments were out of line. Other than that I've made my piece with the lateness.

Also it's not like hitch let's ultimates slip be a few weeks or something, some of the books had 3-4 month gaps between them, that is just taking the piss. I'm all for art but four months to draw 26 ish pages is taking liberties

Well granted, in Volume 1, his wife was in a life or death situation. I can totally understand that.

 

[hippy fascist]

that's a valid excuse but what about issue 12 vol 2, what's THAT all about

 

[Darthphere]

The initial excuse was Millar's health problems, I have no problem with that, it seems now its that they cant decide on the page count.

 

[iloveclones]

Some might be tempted to argue that penciling isn't "any other business," it's art, and artists are usually free to take however long they need to come up with a piece. But those people would be wrong. Comics are commercial art, just like advertising or graphic design, and if you don't meet your deadlines in those industries, you're damn right they'll fire you. That's exactly why I'm starting to get tired of Marvel's relentless bull****. They judge the success of their comics by the almighty dollar, but when delays pop up, they play the art card. "Would you rather have a crappy product that's on time, or a work of art that's late?" The publishers want to have their cake and eat it too, eagerly pursuing money as a business but hiding behind the idea that they're putting out art and that creativity is the most important part of the equation. That particular double-talk is starting to get to me.

That's a great analogy, and one I'd never thought of before. I always tended to think of comics as a more or less "artistic" medium, than a commercial one. Maybe they should start understanding that distinction as well.

One thing I wish they'd look into is how to fit in "filler" issues into the TPB market, which would really alleviate a lot of these problems(although, not CW. You can't really have fillers on an event). My suggestions: 1) Sub-plots: Bring 'em back, with the intent of dealing with them in a filler issue. 2) Who says the filler issue has to be in the TPB? If fans like it, put it in there. If they don't skip it. Who's gonna notice?

Myself, I just sort of wish that people would parse their rhetoric a little. I mean, yes, businesses do fire people, and they do expect results. But I'm sure deadlines in advertising, etc are missed all the time. I mean, people are human. Those people who miss them, depending on their talent level, are most likely given second chances. Because their bosses are people too. People who miss deadlines aren't promoted, and are given the crappier assignments. At some point, you do have to let people go. But I'm willing to bet that the people who came up with "Got Milk", Where's the Beef", and "Just Do It", if they're late, even very, very late; they're given some space. Because they're a proven commodity. Just like, as much as people don't want to hear it, Bendis and Millar.

One thing that I find kind of funny, is all the people complaining that Marvel isn't acting like a business because of all of this. Because for the last year or two, I've constantly had to bring that up in defense of New Avengers and other projects. (I mean, my favorite mag is MTU, and it's getting the axe. Upset? Yeah! Disappointed in Marvel? No way! They don't exist to be my personal, private comics producer. I'm surprised it's made it this far. Somehow, though, I doubt Marvel will get credit for sticking with it on boards like these.) One of the most common complaints I hear about NA is that it was just an excuse to put together characters who sell well. And? Isn't that the point of Marvel's business?

Bottom line: I don't really care if Marvel "owns up to" this mistake or any other. All I care about is whether or not I like the product, which I do. Immensely. But. These "lateness" problems that they have kills momentum that they generate, which is bad for business.(Go over and look at the "Marvel's Business" thread. Towards the end, they list the "skip" comics, ones that have shipped late. The dropoff is usually significant.) So whether or not they're owning up to it publicly, I sure as hell hope that there's a ruckus going on in their management offices.

 

[Darthphere]

One thing that I find kind of funny, is all the people complaining that Marvel isn't acting like a business because of all of this. Because for the last year or two, I've constantly had to bring that up in defense of New Avengers and other projects. (I mean, my favorite mag is MTU, and it's getting the axe. Upset? Yeah! Disappointed in Marvel? No way! They don't exist to be my personal, private comics producer. I'm surprised it's made it this far. Somehow, though, I doubt Marvel will get credit for sticking with it on boards like these.) One of the most common complaints I hear about NA is that it was just an excuse to put together characters who sell well. And? Isn't that the point of Marvel's business?

Of course, but to use the analogy of commercial art as Corp used, it should read and look good as well.

 

[iloveclones]

Not really. In the case of advertising, it has to increase the sales/awareness of the product. In the case of comics, well, it has to sell. Period.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Comic book readers as a whole, have every right to call Bryan Hitch's work ethic into question. they gained that right the moment they dropped down $3 for a copy of Ultimates. Maybe the comments where a little too on the nose for him, but suffice to say the compalint is vaild as Ultimates 12 is how many months late now, and has been pushed back another 2 weeks already. The argument youre using isnt valid at all. I dont work in a public medium, or a medium as subjective as comic book art. At least in this thread other than maybe Hippy nobody has said OMG Marvel is gay. Also, you could use the same argument that the fanboys are overreacting, the same way Hitch did. Millar and McNiven handled the situation beautifully I may add. They apologized, and promised to bring us a quality product. Notice how no one is complaining about their comments, only the ones from Hitch, Brevoort and somewhat Quesada. but as a whole, the actual people involved with Civil War did what they had to do. Hitch butted in and is now paying the piper. You may say, its only a comic book, youre taking this too seriously, but hey Hitch, its only the internet, youre taking this too seriously. people get insulted all the time, but in the comic book world, if you actually sat down and did your job, there would be no reason to insult anyone. Is it harsh? Sure. But people dont like being messed with, especially when you are a fan of a medium that has become way too expensive. Same way people yell at me on the phone when I call them up to sell them a magazine or do a survey, I have to take it, because the moment I insult the dude on the other line, thats it im axed. Fired. terminated. We have far too many rockstar creators in the comic book world who think they can get away with a lot.

Ok, you don't work in the public medium. But imagine having hundreds of Internet posters personally insulting you because you were late on something or didn't do something right? Regardless of whether you're in the public medium or not.

And I don't see what laying down three dollars for someones comic book has to do with them having every right to personally insult someone they never met over a story or a piece of artwork. They have a right to have an OPINION on the book but it's all right for people to throw around the name calling though? Which, by the terms of our completely out dated American Constitution, they have the right to do.

Aren't Hitch's delays due to the fact that his wife has cancer or something? Or some type of terminal disease? I think I read somewhere that his wife was severely ill which caused his delays.

Millar and McNiven apologized, ok. Hitch didn't. So what? Millar is writing it and McNiven is drawing it, they're connected. Hitch isn't, he's stating his opinion. I don't post over at newsarama or whatever other site it was posted at. But I'm sure there weren't too many pleasant things said about McNiven, Marvel, and others in general. And I'm guessing Hitch's comment was directed toward the utterly disrespectful people who truly think the world of comics should revolve around them, and not the entire community of fans.

Remember though. Comic books are fantasy and fictional. The Internet, while you may not be looking at the person or hearing their voice, it's still a real life human being in the really real world that you're talking to.

And I'm sure to a lot of these creators in comics today, who didn't grow up with the Internet and the constant barrage of comments daily about a book or company, it's frustrating to see people personally insulting you over your decision to have Character X do "this" or the fact that maybe your talent is running a bit behind schedule and suddenly you're a "dumb jerk" for that too. When, meanwhile, these people criticizing you have never drawn at all before or probably written a story before or ever ran a comic book company with about 50 to 60 years of history behind some of it's characters.

My whole point is the guy is allowed to have an opinion. He's not drawing the book or writing it. And, yes, he himself has had many delays on the book he's currently working on. Ok, people have taken that into account many times. But he's not allowed to say a WORD though? That means he has to sit there and read these outlandish posts from people who probably have no idea how this comic book business really works and yet they can go ahead and talk like they sit down and make comics of their own every single day? The dude was probably just sick and tired of hearing it.

If you don't like it so much then don't buy The Ultimates anymore. Or don't buy his work and then make him pay for it like that. Hey, maybe he's setting himself up for a serious reality check, that you can't joke with virginity toward a comic fan, it's such a touchy subject. But, that comic fan can call him an "arrogant bastard" and that's JUST FINE because they paid 2.99 for a comic book.

 

[iloveclones]

That means he has to sit there and read these outlandish posts from people who probably have no idea how this comic book business really works and yet they can go ahead and talk like they sit down and make comics of their own every single day?

I would point out that no-one holds a gun to these guys head to go online. You want to go online and hear all the praise and adulation that people have for you, than you'd better be prepared for the jag-offs too.

 

[Darthphere]

I would point out that no-one holds a gun to these guys head to go online. You want to go online and hear all the praise and adulation that people have for you, than you'd better be prepared for the jag-offs too.

Excellent point.

 

[iloveclones]

Excellent point.

I would make the same point about fans. Nobody forces them to come online, and be subject to insults like fanboy and internet virgin. they, too, can push away from the table.

 

[Sabretooth]

"Marvel is so gay! Joe Quesada is such a fat piece of garbage! JMS is a hack! Bendis is an ego centric jerk off who gives handjobs for crack! And now Steve McNiven is a piece of garbage for this lateness! What an *******!"

You just summed up all of the opinions in the Spider-Man comics forum.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I would point out that no-one holds a gun to these guys head to go online. You want to go online and hear all the praise and adulation that people have for you, than you'd better be prepared for the jag-offs too.

That's true. But I don't think a lot of creators want to just hear praise for them, maybe SOME do, haha, but not all. Some writers might enjoy a little criticism and how fans are reacting to their story.

But as I said earlier, there is criticism of something and having an opinion on it. And then there is just down right being personally insulting. And the two are very different.

Some posters can sit down and really dislike a book but state it in a civil manner where it's just that posters opinion of the book, without calling the writer or artist a "hack" or a "fat ass".

 

[SpideyInATree]

You just summed up all of the opinions in the Spider-Man comics forum.

Where do you think I got the example from?

 

[Darthphere]

Ok, you don't work in the public medium. But imagine having hundreds of Internet posters personally insulting you because you were late on something or didn't do something right? Regardless of whether you're in the public medium or not.

But I don't, thats the point. You want the fame, the paycheck and everything else, youre going to get the insults as well. Personally, I would never want to become famous because of things like that. Do you defend Paris Hilton like this as well?

And I don't see what laying down three dollars for someones comic book has to do with them having every right to personally insult someone they never met over a story or a piece of artwork. They have a right to have an OPINION on the book but it's all right for people to throw around the name calling though? Which, by the terms of our completely out dated American Constitution, they have the right to do.

They have that right, just like Hitch has the right to insult us back and adress those insults. People get angry it happens, but when yuore ina business where people are buying your books, you keep your cool and go punch a pillow or something later, but he has every right to talk back, as I have the right to believe it was unprofessional of him.

Aren't Hitch's delays due to the fact that his wife has cancer or something? Or some type of terminal disease? I think I read somewhere that his wife was severely ill which caused his delays.

His wife had a tough pregnancy, but that was during Vol.1. Completely unrelated to Vol.2.

Millar and McNiven apologized, ok. Hitch didn't. So what? Millar is writing it and McNiven is drawing it, they're connected. Hitch isn't, he's stating his opinion. I don't post over at newsarama or whatever other site it was posted at. But I'm sure there weren't too many pleasant things said about McNiven, Marvel, and others in general. And I'm guessing Hitch's comment was directed toward the utterly disrespectful people who truly think the world of comics should revolve around them, and not the entire community of fans.

So what? If something is going I have nothing to do with, I dont get involved. Millar and McNiven handled the situation, and people stopped talking about them. Again, why do you think people are still talking about Hitch's comments, because he stepped in where he had no business doing so. Has any other creator spoke out about this? No. And clearly you can see the reason why.

Remember though. Comic books are fantasy and fictional. The Internet, while you may not be looking at the person or hearing their voice, it's still a real life human being in the really real world that you're talking to.

A person you'll never see or meet probably in your life. As someone in a profession where people are gonna have a varying array of opinions, he should be used to bad and good comments and insults as well. Is insulting the guy right? No, but in hitch's case he couldve easily avoided them.

And I'm sure to a lot of these creators in comics today, who didn't grow up with the Internet and the constant barrage of comments daily about a book or company, it's frustrating to see people personally insulting you over your decision to have Character X do "this" or the fact that maybe your talent is running a bit behind schedule and suddenly you're a "dumb jerk" for that too. When, meanwhile, these people criticizing you have never drawn at all before or probably written a story before or ever ran a comic book company with about 50 to 60 years of history behind some of it's characters.

Lame argument, youre better than this SIAT. Its just a variation of the "id like to see you do better" argument, which is lame beyond lame. Again, art is subjective, people are gonna like it and others aren't. You have to be able to take the bad with the good, not just the good. Really, its like you told me before, if someone said to me "your gay" I shouldn't be offended, if you're not really a "dumb jerk" you shouldnt be either. See how your arguments work both ways.

My whole point is the guy is allowed to have an opinion. He's not drawing the book or writing it. And, yes, he himself has had many delays on the book he's currently working on. Ok, people have taken that into account many times. But he's not allowed to say a WORD though? That means he has to sit there and read these outlandish posts from people who probably have no idea how this comic book business really works and yet they can go ahead and talk like they sit down and make comics of their own every single day? The dude was probably just sick and tired of hearing it.

And us comic book fans are sick and tired of hearing the lastest excuse why ultimates 2 #12 has been pushed back another 2 weeks . We don't want excuses, we want results. You promised us a monthly, give us a monthly, or fess up and take the schelaking youre inevitably going to get. And Hitch has a right to voice his opinion, sure. We have the right to think his opinion is valid, sucks, dumb or unprofessional.

If you don't like it so much then don't buy The Ultimates anymore. Or don't buy his work and then make him pay for it like that. Hey, maybe he's setting himself up for a serious reality check, that you can't joke with virginity toward a comic fan, it's such a touchy subject. But, that comic fan can call him an "arrogant bastard" and that's JUST FINE because they paid 2.99 for a comic book.

I dont buy Ultimates, i think ive made that abundantly clear by now. And SIAT, youre really taking light of this, its not the fact he called us virgins, which by the way I have been since The Summer of 69. Its the fact he insulted us period. the sad fact is youre making all these sarcastic arguments but he needs us more than we need him. We dont buy the book, he doesnt have a job. And yes, he comes off as an arrogant bastard, same way Alex Ross does and most artists for some reason are. But Hitch is making art, but hes also providing a service the same way John Q. at the fryer at McDonald's is. You don't go around insulting your customers, no matter what they do. Its like the first thing they teach you at your first job. But since its Hitch and hes an "artist" and were just comic book fans and its only a $3 comic book, its ok.

 

[SpideyInATree]

But I don't, thats the point. You want the fame, the paycheck and everything else, youre going to get the insults as well. Personally, I would never want to become fmaous because of things like that. Do you defend Paris Hilton like this as well?

They have that right, just like Hitch has the right to insult us back and adress those insults. People get angry it happens, but when yuore ina business where people are buying your books, you keep your cool and go punch a pillow or something later, but he has every right to talk back, as I have the right to believe it was unprofessional of him.

His wife had a tough pregnancy, but that was during Vol.1. Completely unrelated to Vol.2.

So what? If something is going I have nothing to do with, I dont get involved. Millar and McNiven handled the situation, and people stopped talking about them. Again, why do you think people are still talking about Hitch's comments, because he stepped in where he had no business doing so. Has any other creator spoke out about this? No. And clearly you can see the reason why.

A person you'll never see or meet probably in your life. As someone in a profession where people are gonna have a varying array of opinions, he should be used to bad and good comments and insults as well. Is insulting the guy right? No, but in hitch's case he couldve easily avoided them.

Lame argument, youre better than this SIAT. Its just a variation of the "id like to see you do better" argument, which is lame beyond lame. Again, art is subjective, people are gonna like it and others aren't. You have to be able to take the bad with the good, not just the good. Really, its like you told me before, if someone said to me "your gay" I shouldn't be offended, if you're not really a "dumb jerk" you shouldnt be either. See how your arguments work both ways.

And us comic book fans are sick and tired of hearing the lastest excuse why ultimates 2 #12 has been pushed back another 2 weeks . We don't want excuses, we want results. You promised us a monthly, give us a monthly, or fess up and take the schelaking youre inevitably going to get. And Hitch has a right to voice his opinion, sure. We have the right to think his opinion is valid, sucks, dumb or unprofessional.

I dont buy Ultimates, i think ive made that abundantly clear by now. And SIAT, youre really taking light of this, its not the fact he called us virgins, which by the way I have been since The Summer of 69. Its the fact he insulted us period. the sad fact is youre making all these sarcastic arguments but he needs us more than we need him. We dont buy the book, he doesnt have a job. And yes, he comes off as an arrogant bastard, same way Alex Ross does and most artists for some reason are. But Hitch is making art, but hes also providing a service the same way John Q. at the fryer at McDonald's is. You don't go around insulting your customers, no matter what they do. Its like the first thing they teach you at your first job. But since its Hitch and hes an "artist" and were just comic book fans and its only a $3 comic book, its ok.

Fame? Bryan Hitch isn't famous. I go walking down my street and go, "Do you know who Bryan Hitch is?" And I bet NOBODY will know who he is. Yes, Paris Hilton is famous, why would I defend her? I don't care about Paris Hilton. She's contributed nothing useful to society. Bryan Hitch draws awesome pictures of The Ultimates, he's got a lot more worth to me than some girl who got famous because she gave head to some nameless guy on a grainy, night vision homemade porn.

I'm not defending Bryan Hitch. I'm defending the fact that the man is allowed to have an opinion on something. It's gotten completely distorted at this point as all "discussions" on these boards do.

You are right about certain things. Like he's a professional and shouldn't be spouting like that. Right, that's your opinion on the matter. His opinion, obviously, rivals you because he did it and I'm sure he isn't going to take it back. And he could seriously affect his career by doing that. That's blatantly obvious but he's still got EVERY right to do that. It was his decision and I'm guessing he knew what he was doing.

But, my main point is that he's human just like the rest of us. You don't have to agree with him but he's got EVERY RIGHT to say what he wants to say, especially on a comic book message board.

But I thought that he didn't insult you? At least that's what you said earlier in the thread. And I don't think he was insulting US. As I said, there were probably certain posters who were doing what they do best, being trolls, and it was directed toward them. I find it hard to believe that he'd direct that to every single comic book fan in existance.

 

[hippy fascist]

I found her home movie useful when the mrs dumped me

 

[Darthphere]

Fame? Bryan Hitch isn't famous. I go walking down my street and go, "Do you know who Bryan Hitch is?" And I bet NOBODY will know who he is. Yes, Paris Hilton is famous, why would I defend her? I don't care about Paris Hilton. She's contributed nothing useful to society. Bryan Hitch draws awesome pictures of The Ultimates, he's got a lot more worth to me than some girl who got famous because she gave head to some nameless guy on a grainy, night vision homemade porn.

I'm not defending Bryan Hitch. I'm defending the fact that the man is allowed to have an opinion on something. It's gotten completely distorted at this point as all "discussions" on these boards do.

You are right about certain things. Like he's a professional and shouldn't be spouting like that. Right, that's your opinion on the matter. His opinion, obviously, rivals you because he did it and I'm sure he isn't going to take it back. And he could seriously affect his career by doing that. That's blatantly obvious but he's still got EVERY right to do that. It was his decision and I'm guessing he knew what he was doing.

But, my main point is that he's human just like the rest of us. You don't have to agree with him but he's got EVERY RIGHT to say what he wants to say, especially on a comic book message board.

But I thought that he didn't insult you? At least that's what you said earlier in the thread. And I don't think he was insulting US. As I said, there were probably certain posters who were doing what they do best, being trolls, and it was directed toward them. I find it hard to believe that he'd direct that to every single comic book fan in existance.

By "us" I mean comic book fans, not me or you personally. I thought that was obvious, unless you want to argue semantics. Point blank, I thought it was unprofessional and shouldnt have been said. And at this point were just going around in circles as we bring up the same points over and over again and refute them over and over again. Fanboys shouldn't be insulted, and he shouldnt be insulted by fanboys, its life. **** happens. This really wasnt worth making a federal case over in the first place, it just bothers me that some fans (not you, since you actually admit the comment shouldnt have been made) are so complacent that they dont care about anything, just that htye get to read their comics.


EDIT: And Bryan Hitch is famous, within the comicbook world which my whole post refers to, not the you know real world. And really youre reasons for not defending Paris Hilton for similar things is beyond me, contributing nothing to society is subjective, since most comic books, dont really contribute to anything, the same way Paris new single doesnt contribute anything.

 

[roach]

Business rule number one: The customer is always right

 

[Darthphere]

Business rule number one: The customer is always right

I always thought that it should be something more like :The customer should be made to believe he's right.

 

[roach]

I always thought that it should be something more like :The customer should be made to believe he's right.

regardless of what job you are in if you insult the customers you should be fired

 

[hippy fascist]

regardless of what job you are in if you insult the customers you should be fired