The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man!

[mayo23]

You can never be too sure, but I'm leaning towards this belief as well.

Perhaps among casual comic book and Spider-man fans who actually know the character, yes. But I think if they really do heighten Spidey's quipping then we'll get a lot more Spider-man's a *****e comments. That, and I'm just so sure some we'll say it's worse than ASM.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Perhaps among casual comic book and Spider-man fans who actually know the character, yes. But I think if they really do heighten Spidey's quipping then we'll get a lot more Spider-man's a *****e comments. That, and I'm just so sure some we'll say it's worse than ASM.

It's really ignorance but I can't do anything about it. I'm just gonna enjoy that they really nailed Spidey's lovely humor this time, and kick back enjoy it for myself. And love it for myself. Those who think it's "*****ey" obviously have a different view of Spidey. A more..incorrect one haha.

 

[Loki882]

Peter is much more of a *****e in the comics than he was in TASM. Some of his "quipping" can get really petty at times and even cruel.

 

[The Vigilante]

Peter is much more of a *****e in the comics than he was in TASM. Some of his "quipping" can get really petty at times and even cruel.

 

[amazingly atiba]

ahahahahaha thast awesome

 

[JOE]

Spidey is such a badass.

 

[Vid Electricz]

It's really ignorance but I can't do anything about it. I'm just gonna enjoy that they really nailed Spidey's lovely humor this time, and kick back enjoy it for myself. And love it for myself. Those who think it's "*****ey" obviously have a different view of Spidey. A more..incorrect one haha.

It's not about knowing or not knowing the character or whatever other weak ad hominem you've got to offer. I've been reading the comics for practically my whole life and I didn't find the excessive "quipping" in the car jacker scene to be appropriate. This is where an understanding of character motivation and storytelling enter the picture.

Peter is on a mission to find and aprehend the man that killed his uncle. We know that he's taking this mission very seriously because of the severity with which he has approached the other perpetrators. All of a sudden he gets in his proper costume and he starts joking and having fun because the fanboys want him to start throwing out sarcastic rejoinders whether it makes sense within the context of the story at that point, or not.

That's the issue. But props for jumping to the conclusion that because someone disagrees with you, they're "ignorant".

Peter is much more of a *****e in the comics than he was in TASM. Some of his "quipping" can get really petty at times and even cruel.

Yes, but you've got to look at the context as well. I highly doubt any fans of the character have any issues with verisimilitude to the source material. It's the context in which it takes place.

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You could post a page of any Spidey comic to show that he teases his enemies. Again, it's all context that rubbed people the wrong way (a lot of that going on in TASM).

 

[The Vigilante]

Yes, but you've got to look at the context as well. I highly doubt any fans of the character have any issues with verisimilitude to the source material. It's the context in which it takes place.



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You could post a page of any Spidey comic to show that he teases his enemies. Again, it's all context that rubbed people the wrong way (a lot of that going on in TASM).

Well in context its a page from Punisher War Zone after the Punisher stole one of Spidey's webshooters and used it to murder a man. Then Spidey proceeded to beat the crap out of him out of anger in an almost cruel way.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Okay- that's not quipping or sarcastic teasing. Spidey's outright pissed as hell there- and the dialogue shows it. Completely different in every way from the carjacker scene in TASM or Spidey teasing the Shocker for how silly his costume looks.

As an aside, there has been loads of poor writing in the Spidey comics over the years, particularly the one shots and team ups (which this looks like). There was an arc in the 80's where Spidey goes to Canada and he kills a guy. Is this considered canon? Probably not, but it was in the comics (Just like the stupid John Byrne Superman where he kills Zod. People love to use this example even though it is NOT wholly representative of the character).

 

[Nicko-Ray]

It's not about knowing or not knowing the character or whatever other weak ad hominem you've got to offer. I've been reading the comics for practically my whole life and I didn't find the excessive "quipping" in the car jacker scene to be appropriate. This is where an understanding of character motivation and storytelling enter the picture.

Peter is on a mission to find and aprehend the man that killed his uncle. We know that he's taking this mission very seriously because of the severity with which he has approached the other perpetrators. All of a sudden he gets in his proper costume and he starts joking and having fun because the fanboys want him to start throwing out sarcastic rejoinders whether it makes sense within the context of the story at that point, or not.

That's the issue. But props for jumping to the conclusion that because someone disagrees with you, they're "ignorant".

Lol I'm sorry I offended you 'cause it seems that way. Wasn't trying to attack anyone if it came off that way. And if I didn't offend you, 'cause you might end up saying that, then whatever. Lets move on.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Lol I'm sorry I offended you 'cause it seems that way. Wasn't trying to attack anyone if it came off that way. And if I didn't offend you, 'cause you might end up saying that, then whatever. Lets move on.

Dude, it's no problem. I just see a lot of people calling out others who disagree with their opinion as being "ignorant about the character", when that's not the case.

 

[JOE]

Spidey is a smart ass. That's all there is to it.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Spidey is a smart ass. That's all there is to it.

If only. Why wasn't he quipping in his final battle with the Lizard? Because the stakes were dire and it would have been inappropriate given the tone of the scene. I feel that way about the carjacker scene.

Also, he's totally not being a "smart ass" in those exchanges with Frank.

 

[GuestStar2004]

a carjacker and a lizard man trying to turn the city into lizards is totally different

the carjacker spidey was messing with, the city was in danger with the lizard at the end

 

[JOE]

If only. Why wasn't he quipping in his final battle with the Lizard? Because the stakes were dire and it would have been inappropriate given the tone of the scene. I feel that way about the carjacker scene.

Also, he's totally not being a "smart ass" in those exchanges with Frank.

"That's sweet, that really is Frankie."

How is that not being a smart ass?

 

[Vid Electricz]

"That's sweet, that really is Frankie."

How is that not being a smart ass?

Maybe I've read too many comics in my life, but this is standard comic book repartee spouted by everyone from Daredevil, to the Thing, to Luke Cage.

This is not Spidey being sarcastic or funny to provoke his enemies or ellicit a response (which is the context in which we understand Spidey's particular brand of humour).

 

[The Vigilante]

Maybe I've read too many comics in my life, but this is standard comic book repartee spouted by everyone from Daredevil, to the Thing, to Luke Cage.

This is not Spidey being sarcastic or funny to provoke his enemies or ellicit a response (which is the context in which we understand Spidey's particular brand of humour).

There are different brands to Spidey's humor.
There's situational humor where he takes advantage of the situation and it's funny

There's points where he quips out of fear or instinct in situations that he really shouldn't

There are jokes he does out of shear desperation in order to calm his mind even though he knows he's going to lose

There's good jokes, bad jokes, funny jokes, cruel jokes
And sometimes when the situation is dire, no jokes at all

Bottom line, Spidey is a smartass but that level of quippyness depends on the situation and the writing. In Amazing Spider-Man, it comes off as cruel during the car jacker scene because this is a guy who he thinks may have killed his uncle. of course he's going to torment him. And after the carjacker is webbed to the wall you can see Spidey get suddenly serious and pounce at him to confirm if it is the killer.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

So do we think re-telling the origin story was a good thing? For the overal story progressing through movies?

No, it wasn't a good thing, esepecially since they didn't understand the origin or tried to change it so it wasn't fresh, but in doing that made it lose the core meaning. I'm not talking about the spider bite, I don't see that as the origin, the origin is Uncle Ben's death and it was handled very poorly. The biggest key part is Peter using his powers for selfish reasons, for personal gain, that didn't happen in Amazing Spider-man, why was Peter out of the house the night of Uncle Ben's murder becasuse of the fight between him and Ben about not picking May up. However, it doesn't hit the responsibility angle at all, it skirts around it, but Peter was at a high tech lab helping a prestigious scienetist, tell Ben and May that's where you're at, they'd understand. In every other incarnation he's away because he's using those powers for personal gain, has a huge head and looking out for number 1, it's not revenge or anything it's arrogance and ego. Having Peter not catch the guy that night also delays the transformation for no reason. Peter catches the guy and the Great Power/Responsibity line sinks in, he's Spider-man, he doesn't need Capt. Stacy to tell him. It should be Uncle Ben that changes him not Stacy

Where does it hint or confirm that Gwen will become Spider-Man's sidekick in the activities he takes part of? Her going to Oscorp to make the cure was a one-time exception since Peter couldn't get there in time and that was before the promise too.

I never thought she would be his sidekick, how does he/we know it's a one-time exception with the cure. He goes to her after one of his fights with the Lizard so she can help him recover. She knows his identity, she's totally at risk. I just think the promise should've lasted into the next movie, it was something I really liked about the original Spider-man, Peter walked away from the girl. They do get together, but at first he walks away becuase his life is too dangerous.

a carjacker and a lizard man trying to turn the city into lizards is totally different

the carjacker spidey was messing with, the city was in danger with the lizard at the end

Spider-man's joking would've actually been better suited during the fight with the Lizard because it serves too purposes, one, distract the villian and secondly it's a defense mechanism, it keeps Peter from freaking out in such a dangerous sitituation.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, the Lizard wasn't going to be distracted by quipping, he wasn't during the school fight. Also, Peter wasn't freaking out anyway because of the stakes. People keep acting like Gwen is completely helpless in the promise situation. She has a say in this as well, it's not just Peter. I don't think that May and Ben would have understood since it was Peter's fault that Ben had to change shifts and he promised to do something and didn't do it (sounds like using powers irresponsibly to me, just a different context). I'm sorry, but people cant complain about TASM being a rehash and then turn around and complain when they change stuff, you can't have it both ways. Also, the murderer escaping symbolizes Peter letting go of revenge and becoming a hero.

 

[JOE]

Maybe I've read too many comics in my life, but this is standard comic book repartee spouted by everyone from Daredevil, to the Thing, to Luke Cage.

This is not Spidey being sarcastic or funny to provoke his enemies or ellicit a response (which is the context in which we understand Spidey's particular brand of humour).

It's still Spidey being a smart ass. It's blatant sarcasm.

 

[Loki882]

I've heard Spidey use many different types of quips and humor, he doesn't have just one.

 

[TheLastBlade]

If he joked during the time he fought the Lizard, then that'd be the dumbest idea conceived in a CBM ever.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Yeah, the Lizard wasn't going to be distracted by quipping, he wasn't during the school fight. Also, Peter wasn't freaking out anyway because of the stakes. People keep acting like Gwen is completely helpless in the promise situation. She has a say in this as well, it's not just Peter.

Gwen promised her dad she wouldn't keep seeing Peter? Was that in one of the deleted scenes?

I don't think that May and Ben would have understood since it was Peter's fault that Ben had to change shifts and he promised to do something and didn't do it (sounds like using powers irresponsibly to me, just a different context). I'm sorry, but people cant complain about TASM being a rehash and then turn around and complain when they change stuff, you can't have it both ways. Also, the murderer escaping symbolizes Peter letting go of revenge and becoming a hero.

Okay, first, I don't remember Peter using his powers to see Connors, wasn't he invited by Connor's? He wasn't using his powers in any way. Second, just tell May and Ben you're working with Connors, I doubt they'd discourage it. The reason for the secrecy in the original context was he didn't want people to know about his powers, he was hiding his identity. There's no reason for secrecy in the context of Amazing Spider-man.

 

[GuestStar2004]

there is a time when you don't joke and thats when he only has a short amount of time to stop the city from being turned into lizards

 

[TheLastBlade]

Exactly. I just love how people use that against the movie.