Another Fatal Shooting in a movie theater

[Sawyer]

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Gerry Duggan
‏@GerryDuggan
Politicians are never more despicable than when they ask you to pray for the victims of a crime they enabled.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Praying for the victims does absolutely nothing, nothing at all. Praying for the violence to end does absolutely nothing. Get off your damn knees and do something you idiots!

 

[DeadPresident]

There are definitely other variables, bud, I see your point. It is certainly a far more complex issue that stems from America's, often violent, historical background. However, RIGHT NOW, there needs to be prompt solutions to far more complex problems regarding violence in America. And that begins with gun control.

Otherwise, if we continue to wait to fully understand the psychology of this country, people will just continue to be mowed down.

Columbine happened in '99, we're almost 20 years along from that. 20 years and we've moved from satanic music and violent video games to gun control. Is it going to take 20 years to move from gun control to monitoring indicators like mental health or fringe youths who may feel disenfranchised?

Honestly, if people aren't willing to think about the ways to solve it instead of what they can use to blame it on then they're asking for these things to continue. I agree wholeheartedly that the number of guns in circulation is too high, I wholeheartedly agree that there should be stricter measures in place to restrict who can access them. But beyond that, at what point is anyone going to start considering that there seems to be a disturbing amount of people in the USA that feel like one of the only ways for them to reach emotional catharsis is to murder several innocent people?

I think if there's less means available to them then they may consider other options which may lead to finding an alternate way besides violence.

It didn't seem to sink in the first time. So I'll phrase it more basically. If someone is at the point where they have a need to cause somebody else harm, are they reasonable? Because if they're not reasonable, asking them to consider a rational concept like "What I would like to use to harm someone is scarce, maybe I shouldn't harm them?" is like asking someone in a psychotic episode to explain national fiscal policy to you.

The simple premise is this: A lack of guns won't change the emotional/psychological state people are in when they want to use them on innocent people.

Edit: I'm not saying less guns wouldn't mean less deaths, I'm just saying less guns won't cure the problem of violent behaviour btw.

 

[Sawyer]

Praying for the victims does absolutely nothing, nothing at all. Praying for the violence to end does absolutely nothing. Get off your damn knees and do something you idiots!

I'm really getting to the point where I think that, as soon as a Presidential candidate brings up God in a speech, they should be immediately disqualified. We're potentially putting our country in your hands, stop relying on the Man upstairs. You're the Man (or Woman) in the f***ing White House.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm really getting to the point where I think that, as soon as a Presidential candidate brings up God in a speech, they should be immediately disqualified. We're potentially putting our country in your hands, stop relying on the Man upstairs. You're the Man (or Woman) in the f***ing White House.

I believe in god and I agree with you completely. I am sick of hearing people in my life and politicians not talking about real solutions to problems because they want to talk about prayer this and prayer that. It makes me cringe because it is an everyday thing in my life.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

How many psychologically impaired people are roaming the streets of America right now?

There are tons of incidents of murder by stabbing in a city nearby me and across the country really that don't gain national attention. Even when it can be considered a mass murder. Is it just a coincidence then that it's only shootings that make the news? Do stabbings not sell anymore? I don't know what I'm trying to get at.

Anyway, my condolences to these folks..scary, scary stuff..

 

[KevanG]

It didn't seem to sink in the first time. So I'll phrase it more basically. If someone is at the point where they have a need to cause somebody else harm, are they reasonable? Because if they're not reasonable, asking them to consider a rational concept like "What I would like to use to harm someone is scarce, maybe I shouldn't harm them?" is like asking someone in a psychotic episode to explain national fiscal policy to you.

The simple premise is this: A lack of guns won't change the emotional/psychological state people are in when they want to use them on innocent people.

Edit: I'm not saying less guns wouldn't mean less deaths, I'm just saying less guns won't cure the problem of violent behaviour btw.

It did sink in the first time thanks. What I'm saying is that you can get guns willy nilly in a good amount of states, there's even laws that let you sell them off the books at conventions if it's from your private stock.

A person with severe psychological issues is less likely to kill a dozen people if he doesn't have the means to do so. It's not 'I don't have a gun so I shouldn't hurt people' its 'I don't have a gun and I can't get one to do lots of damage. Maybe I should look at different ways and talk to people about it.' Maybe then they can get some help if they get noticed. If they don't get noticed by talking to people or get the authorities onto them then how do people know about them in the first place?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

How many psychologically impaired people are roaming the streets of America right now?

There are tons of incidents of murder by stabbing in a city nearby me and across the country really that don't gain national attention. Even when it can be considered a mass murder. Is it just a coincidence then that it's only shootings that make the news? Do stabbings not sell anymore? I don't know what I'm trying to get at.

Anyway, my condolences to these folks..scary, scary stuff..

And another b.s reason to avoid talking about the issue at hand. Bravo sir, your deflection has been noted.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

And another b.s reason to avoid talking about the issue at hand. Bravo sir, your deflection has been noted.

What's the issue at hand here? Care to explain in your holier-than-thou tone?

 

[Mysteryman]

Anything new about the shooter?

 

[DeadPresident]

It did sink in the first time thanks. What I'm saying is that you can get guns willy nilly in a good amount of states, there's even laws that let you sell them off the books at conventions if it's from your private stock.

I didn't intend to come across as condescending, so apologies if it came off that way. I agree, the availability is a massive issue, so let's shelve that topic.

A person with severe psychological issues is less likely to kill a dozen people if he doesn't have the means to do so. It's not 'I don't have a gun so I shouldn't hurt people' its 'I don't have a gun and I can't get one to do lots of damage.

Okay, let's start it off here. The bold part is a reasonable statement, it is one you and I can make right now, and everyone else in this thread probably. However, you're not acknowledging the fact that the person is in a state of mind where they think it is acceptable to cause bodily harm to other human beings. I think everyone will agree that that is irrational and unreasonable.

Now let's move on to the next bit.

Maybe I should look at different ways and talk to people about it.' Maybe then they can get some help if they get noticed. If they don't get noticed by talking to people or get the authorities onto them then how do people know about them in the first place?

This part of the statement is completely and utterly rational. There is no way that somebody who is in whatever state of mind where they're looking for ways to harm people will be deterred by a small aspect of convenience like this. They will satisfy that need come hell or high water. No gun? They'll find a knife. No knife? They'll find a blunt object. No blunt object? They'll use their hands.

When you talk about noticing, that's exactly what people don't pay enough attention to. That idiot kid that went and murdered the people in the church, people could see he had the old South African three color on his jacket and said hateful things. But nobody pays enough attention until it's too late, they wait for the point of no return to take it seriously. Whenever these incidents happen, almost always, there are people who get interviewed and they go "Well, now that you mention it...he did X, Y and Z...I guess we should have seen it coming".

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What's the issue at hand here? Care to explain in your holier-than-thou tone?

You know exactly what the issue at hand is, I'm not going to play your little game. You bury your head in the sand like the rest of the lemmings in this country and pray for the victims.

 

[DeadPresident]

And another b.s reason to avoid talking about the issue at hand. Bravo sir, your deflection has been noted.

No offense, but you're engaging people quite aggressively. He didn't directly state guns aren't an issue, which is what you seem to be implying.

 

[tzarinna]

Ugh, I can't with this. I'm always thinking of an exit if some **** like this happens. Hell, I was thinking about it tonight while working. Would I try to be a hero or plow through all of the people to escape.

 

[Mysteryman]

I would like to think that if I was present that I would try to help.
I guess you never know until you find yourself in that situation .

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

You know exactly what the issue at hand is, I'm not going to play your little game. You bury your head in the sand like the rest of the lemmings in this country and pray for the victims.

Get a grip. Or don't. Continue to make this about you and your views in your condescending way.

 

[KevanG]

I didn't intend to come across as condescending, so apologies if it came off that way. I agree, the availability is a massive issue, so let's shelve that topic.



Okay, let's start it off here. The bold part is a reasonable statement, it is one you and I can make right now, and everyone else in this thread probably. However, you're not acknowledging the fact that the person is in a state of mind where they think it is acceptable to cause bodily harm to other human beings. I think everyone will agree that that is irrational and unreasonable.

Now let's move on to the next bit.



This part of the statement is completely and utterly rational. There is no way that somebody who is in whatever state of mind where they're looking for ways to harm people will be deterred by a small aspect of convenience like this. They will satisfy that need come hell or high water. No gun? They'll find a knife. No knife? They'll find a blunt object. No blunt object? They'll use their hands.

When you talk about noticing, that's exactly what people don't pay enough attention to. That idiot kid that went and murdered the people in the church, people could see he had the old South African three color on his jacket and said hateful things. But nobody pays enough attention until it's too late, they wait for the point of no return to take it seriously. Whenever these incidents happen, almost always, there are people who get interviewed and they go "Well, now that you mention it...he did X, Y and Z...I guess we should have seen it coming".

Actually people do notice these things a huge amount of the time and they choose to ignore it. They refuse to report people who actively state they want to hurt a group of people or just random individuals because they don't want to get involved or don't care. What I'm saying is that when people are posting things on facebook or twitter about murdering cops or something, like Justin Bourque did up here in my home town then people need to stop ignoring it.

When people get to the state of mind to want to hurt people for whatever reason, skin color, religion, whatever, they try to find others like themselves because humans are a social animal and talking to people about shared interests is always fun.

I agree it's not just gun control that's the issue but also trying to identify people that may do these things ahead of time. My issue is that if there's a lower chance of getting guns to do this then they have a less chance to kill people.

I keep drawing a comparison to Canada because it's right beside it and we've had far less problems than the USA. We're around 31/100 armed people with the USA being 89/100 for armed people but we might have a hundredth of the shootings. In 2011 the USA had around 11,000 homicides by firearms while Canada had 158. Our worst shooting in our history happened back in 1989 where 15 people died including the shooter.

We have pretty complicated gun laws with mandatory safety courses, background checks, permits and first time owners usually have to fill out a survey about mental health and criminal backgrounds. It's not perfect but the seemingly monthly insanity of shootings almost seems commonplace now in the States. That's one of the big reasons I push for gun control. We've shown while it's not perfect, it is very effective if enforced properly.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Another story of a trigger happy maniac, not my favorite thing to wake up to.
What's wrong with these nutjobs?

I hate to say it, but DeadPresident is right, banning guns is not a permanent solution, or the only one, and in some countries more people are armed, show better behavior, and have better discipline.

 

[Mysteryman]

Apparently there was one more casualty .
So, three dead including the gunman.
Sad Day.

 

[Greens]

I agree with DeadPresident. This issue is way too complicated to just solve it with NO MORE GUNS.

 

[Marvolo]

Every time one of these shootings happen I am going to make it "political" so the first person who says that I shouldn't because "it's too soon," can go take a long walk off of a short pier.

We need real gun control in this country and we need to stop romanticizing these ****ing murder weapons. They aren't great, they are awful and are only used to kill, they serve no other function.

Nothing is going to ever happen after these shootings because Americans love guns more that people. We are all ****ed.

Get ready to have to walk through metal detectors before you see your movie.

Well, there is hunting. Besides being a means of feeding oneself and others, hunting is necessary part of conservation. If populations of certain animals aren't maintained it can throw a wrench in the ecosystem of an area. That's the whole reason for the US's specific hunting seasons. It isn't just for ****s and giggles.

I own guns, and believe it or not, they haven't murdered anyone. I think one of them is plotting to tho. My glock is sneaky that way and has a mind of its own.


Look, I believe wholeheartedly that we need a serious rethink on guns in this country. Stricter background checks. Both criminal and medical background checks. There should be a national database that keeps track of who owns which guns. Not everyone should have 10 handguns, 5 rifles, a .50 BMG rifle, and a shotgun. Limit how many guns the average person can buy. Require gun owners to take an 8 hour safety course once a year with the weapon they intend to own and use. Make them take a safety course for each type of gun they own. Rifle, shotgun, pistol etc. Make every gun owner get a license that has to be renewed every year. At anytime that license can be revoked for specific reasons. If it is revoked the gun owner has so many days to bring the gun to the local sheriff's department. If the weapon(s) aren't turned in by the end of the allotted time a warrant is issued and law enforcement comes and confiscates the weapon(s) and the person is slapped with a nice fine.

Oh and as for the second amendment, it is an amendment. Let's look at the definition of "amendment"...

Amendment:An amendment is a formal or official change made to a law, contract, constitution, or other legal document. It is based on the verb to amend, which means to change. Amendments can add, remove, or update parts of these agreements. They are often used when it is better to change the document than to write a new one. Source Wikipedia.

Amendments are not above reproach. They are not infallible. They are not set in stone. We can change, modify, or throw out any amendment we need to. Government and laws must be changed when times and circumstances change. If a law no longer works or isn't suitable for the current condition of society the law must adapt so that it can better serve society. The vague second amendment that we currently have doesn't serve or benefit society. It gives us the right to bare arms but it says nothing about what sort of arms. It says nothing about responsibility and common ****ing sense. It's time to fix this.

I'm as sick of this BS as anyone else. I'm sick of people saying, "The second amendment..." "It's my right..." Racist hillbillies also used to consider it their right to be able to string up black people or any brown skinned human being. We stopped that ****, and set those *******s straight. Why can't we set this straight? At one time women weren't allowed to vote, blacks weren't allowed to vote, slavery was legal, alcohol was illegal, same sex marriage was illegal etc. We changed all those things. But guns are on some pedestal and untouchable? No I don't buy that.

I don't know what it's going to take to change the amendment and bring about stricter rules and regulations. Thousands of Americans die every year, and it has yet to convince or encourage those in power to change the 2nd amendment. So I'm not optimistic about it. Every one of the men and women who fight against changing the amendment and implementing stricter regulations, because they fear the retaliation of voters are ****ing cowards as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[PyroChamber]

They haven't mentioned the shooter's name, at least I haven't seen it, but any guesses on what this person's problem was?

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Another story of a trigger happy maniac, not my favorite thing to wake up to.
What's wrong with these nutjobs?

They're mentally ill and lack certain things in their lives. They dont get the help they need and end up doing despicable things like this. That last case, the Colorado one, all the murderer wanted was attention and fame no matter what the cost. And he got it. Name plastered everywhere on the news.

There's another case I heard of in my psychology class about a man with fetal alcohol syndrome. He was out and about in the world with his disease and it cost someone their life. But he didn't know what he was doing because of his FAS. So is he really to blame when it was his mother who technically set him on that course and wasn't responsible about it?

I hate to say it, but DeadPresident is right, banning guns is not a permanent solution, or the only one, and in some countries more people are armed, show better behavior, and have better discipline.

Yup just like banning drugs didn't kill the drug problem and prohibition didn't kill the drinking problem. Banning things isn't really a solution. Like I said earlier there's probably a ton more deaths that occur because of stabbings or drunk driving or whatever but it's the occurrences that involve guns that get massive circulation.

 

[Golgo-13]

Praying for the victims does absolutely nothing, nothing at all. Praying for the violence to end does absolutely nothing. Get off your damn knees and do something you idiots!

This.

 

[terry78]

God gave us free will for a reason if that's what your belief is. So use it to make some change, not just sit and wait for him to do it, as Spidey says. As long as gun lobbyists and overtly religious go hand in hand around here, this **** will just remain in limbo.

On another note I hate, hate, hate when people go on shooting sprees at movies theatres. It's terrible when it happens anywhere but those places are almost sacred to me as a movie buff, somewhere I go to enjoy film and assume I am remotely safe while doing so. I get why they do it, because it's a bunch of people in one spot with limited options for exit, and it's sick.