Another Fatal Shooting in a movie theater

[Pink Ranger]

I would like to think that if I was present that I would try to help.
I guess you never know until you find yourself in that situation .

If you're at the movies and a guy runs in with an assault rifle, shoots directly up in the air and says "everyone to that side of the room" and you try to become Batman and take him down, that is extremely foolish, because you've effectively turned a possible-death situation into a certain-death situation, and you've basically made that decision for everyone else in the room with you. The Montreal Massacre is a good example of the situation; the men in this incident were roundly criticized for following the gunman's orders, but they did the right thing.

If that guy instead immediately shoots someone, then the killing line has already been crossed, so it's up to you. You can run, that's fine, you've got to value your life or nobody else will. You can risk your life to stay, or you can try to confront the gunman, which will almost certainly mean your death but will possibly buy time for others to escape.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm getting the **** out of there by any means possible.

 

[Mysteryman]

If you're at the movies and a guy runs in with an assault rifle, shoots directly up in the air and says "everyone to that side of the room" and you try to become Batman and take him down, that is extremely foolish, because you've effectively turned a possible-death situation into a certain-death situation, and you've basically made that decision for everyone else in the room with you. The Montreal Massacre is a good example of the situation; the men in this incident were roundly criticized for following the gunman's orders, but they did the right thing.

If that guy instead immediately shoots someone, then the killing line has already been crossed, so it's up to you. You can run, that's fine, you've got to value your life or nobody else will. You can risk your life to stay, or you can try to confront the gunman, which will almost certainly mean your death but will possibly buy time for others to escape.

I wasnt thinking about becoming. Batman.
Something more along the lines of the teacher who triggered the fire alarm even though she was injured.
Or maybe try to get some of the wounded out.
I was not suggesting that I would take on the gunman directly.

 

[ban768]

That's only somewhat true. Melee weapons are more personal and takes a slightly different mindset to use...also, it's harder to kill as many people with a melee weapon. Where as a gun is very impersonal, easier to use and kills in larger amounts.

Study after study shows violent death drops when gun control is in place.

Countries that have gun control laws have far less violence. That should be proof enough. But it won't be enough...because americans prefer their guns over human lives.

Yeah. We’re not talking about other countries. Gun laws do absolutely crap here in the United States. Let’s look at Chicago for example. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet if you look at the links below, you will see that doesn't have any positive effect whatsoever.

There are over 300 million guns circulating in this country. If you want gun violence to go down, you will have to find a way to completely change our culture and mindset to fix these mass and gang shootings, but of course it's just easier to pass laws that will have no effect as history has taught us with prohibition in the 1920's. Unless people here want to give the criminals more power than they already do?

And I’m saying this as someone who hates guns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/chicago-shootings/

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=7101

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/inconvenient-reminders-about-chicagos-bloody-gun-control-failure/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chicago-gun-ordinance-20140625-story.html

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-murders-shootings-up-for-first-half-of-2015/820764/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/26/12-killed-43-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shootings/

 

[Godzillasaurus]

I actually only live an hour or so away from Aurora.... Kind of freaky to this day, I mean the odds of it being HERE in Colorado just like Columbine.... Crazy

 

[Webfoot Hero]

New details about the shooter show he had a history of domestic violence complaints and spent time in a mental facility, both of which should have disqualified him from legally owning a gun. His ex-wife said he was bipolar and would routinely go off his meds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisiana-shooter-john-houser-had-history-of-domestic-violence/

 

[moviedoors]

Sandy Hook was a bit of a moral event horizion. Once a society can just kind of shrug off and do nothing after a mass shooting of children, there's more or less nothing that will motivate them.

I'm still just appalled by the reaction to Sandy Hook. 26 small children got murdered, and we couldn't even get a real conversation or a debate going about guns and gun culture let alone get around to actually doing something. Literally nothing changed. I try not be a cynical person, but **** like this pushes my limits.

I was managing the sporting goods section at Walmart when Sandy Hook happened, and that very same day, throngs of gun owners came out of the woodwork to buy ammunition by the case. They cleaned us out. We weren't able to get it restocked for months and it was like that everywhere. The manufacturers ran out of stock. So for two agonizing months we'd get 3 boxes of AR15 ammo every other day, it would sell out immediately, and then I'd have to listen to these redneck gun-loving idiots ***** about how it was Obama's fault they couldn't get ammo. It was infuriating.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

If you're at the movies and a guy runs in with an assault rifle, shoots directly up in the air and says "everyone to that side of the room" and you try to become Batman and take him down, that is extremely foolish, because you've effectively turned a possible-death situation into a certain-death situation, and you've basically made that decision for everyone else in the room with you. The Montreal Massacre is a good example of the situation; the men in this incident were roundly criticized for following the gunman's orders, but they did the right thing.

If that guy instead immediately shoots someone, then the killing line has already been crossed, so it's up to you. You can run, that's fine, you've got to value your life or nobody else will. You can risk your life to stay, or you can try to confront the gunman, which will almost certainly mean your death but will possibly buy time for others to escape.

I had a weird dream the other night where I was in a group watching the Queens motorcade come past and I saw a guy with a detonator in his hand. I knocked him out and prevented a suicide bombing and was on TV.

Then the dream repeated only this time a fail safe time of 15 seconds activated and I yelled for everyone to run as far as they can and laid over the bomb to try to lessen the blast radius

Like I said. Weird dream

Yeah. We’re not talking about other countries. Gun laws do absolutely crap here in the United States. Let’s look at Chicago for example. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet if you look at the links below, you will see that doesn't have any positive effect whatsoever.

There are over 300 million guns circulating in this country. If you want gun violence to go down, you will have to find a way to completely change our culture and mindset to fix these mass and gang shootings, but of course it's just easier to pass laws that will have no effect as history has taught us with prohibition in the 1920's. Unless people here want to give the criminals more power than they already do?

And I’m saying this as someone who hates guns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/chicago-shootings/

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=7101

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/inconvenient-reminders-about-chicagos-bloody-gun-control-failure/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chicago-gun-ordinance-20140625-story.html

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-murders-shootings-up-for-first-half-of-2015/820764/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/26/12-killed-43-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shootings/

The bulk of those 300 million Guns would become useless if the government limited or stopped Bullet production or import

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Yeah. We’re not talking about other countries. Gun laws do absolutely crap here in the United States. Let’s look at Chicago for example. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet if you look at the links below, you will see that doesn't have any positive effect whatsoever.

There are over 300 million guns circulating in this country. If you want gun violence to go down, you will have to find a way to completely change our culture and mindset to fix these mass and gang shootings, but of course it's just easier to pass laws that will have no effect as history has taught us with prohibition in the 1920's. Unless people here want to give the criminals more power than they already do?

And I’m saying this as someone who hates guns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/chicago-shootings/

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=7101

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/inconvenient-reminders-about-chicagos-bloody-gun-control-failure/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chicago-gun-ordinance-20140625-story.html

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-murders-shootings-up-for-first-half-of-2015/820764/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/26/12-killed-43-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shootings/

The thing about Chicago is 30 minutes away is a state where you can buy guns. Have some of your gang bangers friends live there, buy the guns legally you go visit them and pick them up to bring to Chicago. Nothing will change in Chicago unless the neighborhood stands up to the gangbangers, but they never will.

 

[Sawyer]

The shooter praised the Westboro Baptist Church? F*** those f***ers, shut them down.

 

[ban768]

I had a weird dream the other night where I was in a group watching the Queens motorcade come past and I saw a guy with a detonator in his hand. I knocked him out and prevented a suicide bombing and was on TV.

Then the dream repeated only this time a fail safe time of 15 seconds activated and I yelled for everyone to run as far as they can and laid over the bomb to try to lessen the blast radius

Like I said. Weird dream



The bulk of those 300 million Guns would become useless if the government limited or stopped Bullet production or import

I'm sure that would work. I mean history shows otherwise, but it wouldn't be the first time that "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."[

 

[SV Fan]

So since he killed himself does that make him a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun or both?

 

[Sawyer]

Why would that make him a good guy with a gun?

 

[SV Fan]

Why would that make him a good guy with a gun?

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[Webfoot Hero]

So since he killed himself does that make him a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun or both?

Considering he's the one that instigated the crime and committed the murders, he never was a good guy. Not sure what's so hard about that other than you trying to take a blatant dig at the NRA and gun owners.

 

[SV Fan]

he never was a good guy

But he stopped the killing spree with a gun killing himself, therefore he is a good guy with a gun(see above)

Not sure what's so hard about that other than you trying to take a blatant dig at the NRA and gun owners.

It's not a dig at gun owners

 

[Webfoot Hero]

But he stopped the killing spree with a gun killing himself, therefore he is a good guy with a gun(see above)

You logical reasoning is broken as is your poor sense of humor. Plus, him offing himself once saw the cops makes him a cowardly bad guy.

 

[SV Fan]

You logical reasoning is broken

How is it broken, he officially ended the situation using his gun, therefore using Wayne Lapierre logic he is a good guy with a gun who stopped the bad guy with a gun because as Wayne Lapierre says ONLY a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. Now if he is not a good guy, then Wayne Lapierre's logical reasoning makes no sense and is broken and why would the NRA leader feed us a line of BS

 

[Webfoot Hero]

How is it broken, he officially ended the situation using his gun, therefore using Wayne Lapierre logic he is a good guy with a gun who stopped the bad guy with a gun because as Wayne Lapierre says ONLY a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. Now if he is not a good guy, then Wayne Lapierre's statement makes no sense and why would the NRA leader feed us a line of BS

Suicide after committing a crime doesn't make them a good person all of a sudden. The correct context and logic of LaPierre's statement is that someone who had good intentions all along of helping people is the good guy in question. You would understand that if you weren't intentionally trying to be snarky and bullheaded. And with they, I'm done talking with you on this train of thought because I sarcastic, snarky people.

 

[SV Fan]

The correct context and logic of LaPierre's statement is that someone who had good intentions all along of helping people is the good guy in question.

The correct context of Lapierre's statement is it's overly simplistic and ment to pander to idiots.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'm sure that would work. I mean history shows otherwise, but it wouldn't be the first time that "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."[

Has a country stopped bullet production or import before? Sure there'd be a black market but the amounts would be severely limited and thus less killings

 

[Mysteryman]

You logical reasoning is broken as is your poor sense of humor. Plus, him offing himself once saw the cops makes him a cowardly bad guy.

My first thought when I heard that he killed himself was that he was a coward .

 

[Lord DeathMan]

It is mental issues like this that should be addressed in gun control, not the elimination of access to gun ownership for everyone. Stricter mental evaluations and background checks for symptoms of bipolar disorders, PTSD, etc should be thoroughly evaluated before letting someone even remotely touch a gun.

I say that as someone who has a concealed carry license; but, doesn't own a gun, yet.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

It is mental issues like this that should be addressed in gun control, not the elimination of access to gun ownership for everyone. Stricter mental evaluations and background checks for symptoms of bipolar disorders, PTSD, etc should be thoroughly evaluated before letting someone even remotely touch a gun.

I say that as someone who has a concealed carry license; but, doesn't own a gun, yet.

His previous mental health history didn't show up on the background check when he bought his gun last year. That seems to be a common occurrence in cases like this. The data is not entering the system properly and stopping potentially dangerous people from harming others and themselves. Background checks work only as well as the data inputted into them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There is no need for civilians to have guns. Any benefit is outweighed by the vast majority of bad. So many unintentional and intentional death. This isn't the 18th century, we don't need militia.