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Another Fatal Shooting in a movie theater

In Switzerland, you can own as many guns as you want, which makes some sense because the vast majority of young men are conscripted into the army and keep their weapons at home. BUT you can't keep any army-issued ammunition in your house, and certain kinds of ammunition is not for sale to individuals period. (The Aurora shooter used armor-piercing rounds, FFS, and blew a 5-inch hole in a girl's head.)

I find that a fair trade. Without ammunition, most guns are about as useful for a weapon as a cast iron frying pan. For people who love guns, you can own as many for your lovely historical collection. Fine. But you can't use all of them. Make it legal to own ammunition of only certain guns - NO belts, NO armor-piercing rounds, none of that s*** should be owned by a private individual. You do not need that to protect your private home, and if you need that for hunting, you need a new hobby.

That said, there's also something very wrong in our culture where SO many men reach for a gun to solve their problems.
 
That sounds fine. Have your guns and ammo for the lesser ones but if you want to stockpile anti-tank rounds then you can go **** yourself.
 
I don't even think automatic weapons should be available to civilians. Keep that sh** in the military where it belongs.
 
I don't even think automatic weapons should be available to civilians. Keep that sh** in the military where it belongs.
Fully-automatic weapons are pretty tightly regulated by the ATF so they are rare in civilian hands, mainly gun ranges and somewhat wealthy gun owners who can afford it. Basic rules are that fully-automatic weapons have to be manufactured before 1986, be taxed taxed and regulated, and cannot be imported. After paying a $200 tax to get the permit to buy one, you then have to go through several FBI criminal background checks to own one. It takes nearly a year for this whole process to go through on top of the over $10,000 cost of the gun. Not to mention, the ATF can do spot checks to see whether the owner is complying with all ownership responsibilities. If you happen to take possession before this process is done or lose your paperwork, you face federal prison time.
 
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Those that want Gun Control want to save American lives, those that want Guns find it acceptable to let Americans die so they can have unlimited access to a weapon that has gone far beyond the intention of the 2nd Amnendment.

The whole point of the second amendment is so the people have a damn good chance at standing up and fight against a tyrannical government. The right to bare arms isn't so we can hunt, maybe protect our homes from an occasional home invasion or to protect ourselves in case we get carjacked. It's to stand against the government in case they go overboard.

I also think it's funny that the most vocal people against the United States second amendment happen to be those people who aren't even from the US, like the UK (Piers Morgan) Canada or Australia. I wonder why that is?

But either way, I just don't think having strict gun control is going to work, because like anything else the US tries to ban or stop, it blows up in everyone's faces. The war on drugs is a fiasco, the war on prostitutes isn't slowing the activity down, not one bit. Prohibition was a lost cause. Soccer moms wars on the music industry having explicit adult content in it didn't stop sales, and if anything made the genre even more successful. And having strict gun control is just going to put more power to the criminals than the law abiding citizens, and even more, it's going to give a false sense of security since it is quite easy to smuggle in guns, drugs and other illegal crap. Heck, if guns are the issue, then how come some of the worst mass destruction on US soil didn't even consist the use of any guns. 9/11 happened with a few boxn cutters, Oklahoma City bombing with a bomb in a truck, and the Boston Marathon bombing. It seems to me there is more of an issue with the mental state with people, than an issue with guns. Screaming and crying for gun control, well, I just think it's a band-aid on a much more larger problem at hand.
 
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Well considering that a lot of people deal with the USA and are from outside it, we get to see the country from a different perspective than someone born and raised in that country. That's why you see a lot of non-USA people talking about it. It's because we see it as completely insane.

Look at a large amount of countries not having wars on their own soil. They don't have bi weekly shootings like this and if they do it's a massive outcry, not a 'Oh well, this **** happens' story on the news. I will admit not all countries have it worked out like Ireland with the IRA or things like that but overall it has a pretty good record.
 
The whole point of the second amendment is so the people have a damn good chance at standing up and fight against a tyrannical government. The right to bare arms isn't so we can hunt, maybe protect our homes from an occasional home invasion or to protect ourselves in case we get carjacked. It's to stand against the government in case they go overboard.

I also think it's funny that the most vocal people against the United States second amendment happen to be those people who aren't even from the US, like the UK (Piers Morgan) Canada or Australia. I wonder why that is?

But either way, I just don't think having strict gun control is going to work, because like anything else the US tries to ban or stop, it blows up in everyone's faces. The war on drugs is a fiasco, the war on prostitutes isn't slowing the activity down, not one bit. Prohibition was a lost cause. Soccer moms wars on the music industry having explicit adult content in it didn't stop sales, and if anything made the genre even more successful. And having strict gun control is just going to put more power to the criminals than the law abiding citizens, and even more, it's going to give a false sense of security since it is quite easy to smuggle in guns, drugs and other illegal crap. Heck, if guns are the issue, then how come some of the worst mass destruction on US soil didn't even consist the use of any guns. 9/11 happened with a few boxn cutters, Oklahoma City bombing with a bomb in a truck, and the Boston Marathon bombing. It seems to me there is more of an issue with the mental state with people, than an issue with guns. Screaming and crying for gun control, well, I just think it's a band-aid on a much more larger problem at hand.

Stand against the government if they go overboard? So basically, preparing for another civil war that will never happen? This isn't the 1800s anymore.
 
The whole "fighting a tyrannical government" thing doesn't hold up anymore. I find that the people who hold that ideal near and dear to their heart are usually very undereducated. Also, a rednecks AR-15 ain't stopping an evil government take over. Don't kid yourself.
 
Do any of these deluded private gun owners really believed that they can stood up to the might of the American military should the government decided to go rogue? The US spend more on their military than several developed nation plus China and Russia combined!!Their lovely AR15 collection would do jack **** against Abrams and Raptors and Reaper drones ( and whatever else they can throw into the mix), ley not even talk about the discrepancy in training(fancy tangoing with member of the SEAL team anybody?). The only way they would stand a chance is if divisions of the US armed forces would decide to side with them, and those guys already have their own superior arsenal with them.
 
Have you seen the morons in Texas? They seem to think a hundred or so guys over armed with guns have some chance of stopping a fully armed army division should they choose to invade. They'd probably turn tail and run once they have a few dozen armed guys after they and they realize they're playing for keeps, not playing soldier like they are.
 
Yeah, the second amendment is outdated in that respect. They also didn't HAVE assault rifles back then so who knows what the founding fathers would really think about this situation.
 
I also think it's funny that the most vocal people against the United States second amendment happen to be those people who aren't even from the US, like the UK (Piers Morgan) Canada or Australia. I wonder why that is?

I think it might be because of the fallout from America gun culture. Former U.S marine captain Steven Greenoe was convicted of smuggling 81 firearms into the UK which he sold to various criminals in north east England. Weapons this guy was supplying were implicated in numerous murders.
 
Do any of these deluded private gun owners really believed that they can stood up to the might of the American military should the government decided to go rogue? The US spend more on their military than several developed nation plus China and Russia combined!!Their lovely AR15 collection would do jack **** against Abrams and Raptors and Reaper drones ( and whatever else they can throw into the mix), ley not even talk about the discrepancy in training(fancy tangoing with member of the SEAL team anybody?). The only way they would stand a chance is if divisions of the US armed forces would decide to side with them, and those guys already have their own superior arsenal with them.

For most, I imagine this is just an excuse and a way to convince themselves that their guns are something other than toys they like play with while pretending that their lives are somewhat more exciting.

No doubt that some actually begin to believe their own fantasies, though, and probably have visions of themselves mowing down federal troops, black people etc "once the inevitable war begins".
 
So many racist and militia men never get their much anticipated race war or 2nd civil war.

They go to their deathbed dreaming about their missed opportunity to defeat blacks and yankees for good.

lolz
 
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When I hear people claiming that in one of these mass shooting situations they would take out the bad guy easy I laugh. Some people think shooting at a gun range on the weekend makes them prepared to deal with the mass confusion and chaos of these situations.

I'm willing to bet half these John Wayne wannabes would kill more innocent civilians than the shooter do.
 
I also think it's funny that the most vocal people against the United States second amendment happen to be those people who aren't even from the US, like the UK (Piers Morgan) Canada or Australia. I wonder why that is?

That's easy, because the people inside the system lack the insight to critically engage with it.
 
Banning guns in the UK and Australia is easier when your borders are water. The U.S. Borders Mexico....

Banning all guns is a stupid idea that won't work. Bad guys can still get guns very easily.
 
I think we all agree banning all guns in the USA is practically impossible and pointless anyway. Especially considering the sheer amount of them in the country.
 
Something needs done. We can't continue this culture of civilian slaughter every time a crazy goes off his meds.
 
Ammo regulation sounds more reasonable than gun regulation despite there already being craptons of ammo already out there. People want to ***** about the government taking their guns? Fine, have the guns, have all the guns you want you ****ing *******. Just limit the ammo you can buy.
 
Ammo regulation would be great option. Make it more expensive and regulate the kind of ammo people can buy. There were rumors that Colorado was going to pass some crazy ammunition regulation bill so there were huge numbers of people from Colorado that drove down to Phoenix and cleaned out gun shops and sporting goods stores. Ammo was rare down here for a few weeks. If ammo regulation is the route to take they gotta do it at the federal level.
 
Guns don't need to be banned, but how they're made available and which kinds are accessible needs to be looked at. That's the short term.

Long term, the USA and Americans in general need to look at what about their culture and society makes certain individuals feel so alienated and pushed to the fringe that they want to kill several people. It's not just a case of statistical outliers, otherwise every single country would have a mentally unhealthy contingent going on murdering sprees every week. Maybe if institutions and health care researchers gave a **** about the emotional wellbeing of those who felt disenfranchised there wouldn't be thousands of innocents murdered each year.
 
And people would still ***** about 'taking muh guns away'. I can just see some morons trying to make their own ammo with the 'limits' put on it and blowing themselves up. I'm sure there's quite a lot of people who make their own ammo and do it well but if they make a limit on ammo then you know somebody is going to blow up their house because they were smoking while messing with gunpowder.
 
It's shocking to see how much mental health care is still looked down upon by the culture in America. My girlfriends father is a doctor and he actually believes that any kind of psychiatric care is a huge waste of time.
 

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