Another Person Shot While Looking for Help

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I live not far from where this happened. people around here are pissed, as they very well should be. there is absolutely zero evidence to show any sort of shooting was justified. a defenseless person seeking help does not give anyone reason to shoot them.

but for anyone that wants to go on imaginary speculative conquests in an embarassing attempt to justify the shooter. here's a bit of info that wasnt in the articles posted in this thread: after shooting this girl in the back of the head, the shooter did not call the cops. the girl was left there where she was found the next day.

If that's correct, I feel myself becoming nauseous thinking about that poor girl and how her life was so needlessly and brutally ended.

 

[Anubis]

Which means that if there was a chance she could have been saved, it went out the window cuz that A-hole didn't even call for help.

 

[Nathan]

So I assume this is how it played out. After the accident, the girl went looking for help, knocked on someone's door, or even pounded, whatever, didn't get an answer and left. Obviously trying to look for help somewhere else. Then the poor scared man opened the door, shot her in the back, and went back inside to sleep, as if nothing happened.

 

[Hotwire]

I've been stranded from an accident. In my case, I hit a coyote on the interstate north of Las Cruces, NM. My car was dead, my phone wasn't getting any signal, it was about 10:00PM, and there was NOTHING for at least 10 miles in any direction. Luckily, a trucker stopped and gave me a ride. However, if the same thing had happened near some houses, I would have knocked. No other choice.

 

[Motown Marvel]

new information on this case: the girl was NOT shot in the back of the head. It was in the front of the face. The shooter claims he thought she was trying to break into his house and the gun went off accidentally.

which...is a story that sounds like bull. and even if that is really what happened, the gun owner showed extremely poor judgement which lead to the woman's death and he should be held accountable for that.

the second this man thought someone was trying to break into his house, he shoulda called the cops. what you dont do, is OPEN THE DOOR for the person, aim the gun at their head and then let it "accidentally" discharge, and then leave the body there without even contacting the police.

 

[Nathan]

Waiting for someone to claim the poor scared man was in shock, and that's why he didn't call the Police.

 

[Teelie]

It's only slightly less unjustifiable now. Instead of shooting her in the back of the head he just shot her in the face and failed to call the cops. Or suspect just maybe someone might have a legitimate reason to be banging on his door.

 

[Nathan]

Imagine how the girls must have felt. She knocks on someone's door, looking for help. The door opens, and then she stares down the barrel of a gun.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Ya I was just about to post an update but was beaten to it. Haven't seen the part about him not calling the cops though, that's really screwed up. This guy needs to go down for manslaughter

 

[chamber-music]

How can you claim self defence while at the same time claim your gun went off by accident?

Why didn't the shooter report the incident to the police or call for an ambulance?

Also it is hard to believe that a young woman trying to break in to your house would knock on the door or ring the door bell beforehand.

I'm not surprised the people are calling for charges as this looks very suspect.

Now I finally understand this movie scene

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[DarthSkywalker]

If it is true a neighbor called the police, there is no excuse.

There are so many ways for this to play out that doesn't involved a young girl losing her life. But nope, so many people have these weapons in their house, many waiting for the day they might need them and it is the first thing they go to. They might think they don't mean ill will, but what are you doing when your first option is to shoot someone in the face? Really, if you are so easily scarred or shocked, that is why you shouldn't have a gun in your house. Because you aren't of the right mind to use it.

Oh, and am not even really sure calling the cops is a great option anymore. How many stories have there been when cops show up and shot people without ever asking a question?

 

[Teelie]

Calling the cops at least shows intent to resolve this by not killing someone yourself and trying to avoid that outcome. Though you are right that some cops are so trigger-happy they'll shoot anyone suspicious even if there's no reason to do so. At least when we hear about it we know that it cannot be covered up or downplayed as justified. And despite the growing distrust of them most of the time they don't shoot people. I think.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Of course you call the cops. It just shows you how upside down the world is that even that can end with an innocent dead.

 

[Nathan]

It's bad that every time you call the cops, or go to strangers for help, you have to wonder whether you just increased or decreased your changes of survival.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's bad that every time you call the cops, or go to strangers for help, you have to wonder whether you just increased or decreased or changes of survival.

Well said. When you best option might be sleeping in your car hoping you are mugged, hit by a car, etc...

 

[jmc]

I sometimes wonder how the US hasn't completely collapsed into anarchy when I read crap like this.

 

[Teelie]

Because despite how abhorrent it is it's not common and more people are outraged than accepting of this kind of thing.

 

[Motown Marvel]

And we're too lazy for anarchy.

 

[moviedoors]

I understand it was late but who opens their door with a shotgun and then shoots somebody who is running away.

My ex-wife's dad could be the guy in this story and it wouldn't surprise me one bit. He never opened the front door or went thru it without being armed. He never sat in a chair or went to bed without a gun within 5 feet of his person. Never. In addition, he was also a raging racist.

Let's just say I've met the type.

 

[Tropico]

I think the real culprit was Charl Huntress. Being scared means you shoot first and don't call the police 'cuz there's no time for that (even after ).

 

[charl_huntress]

With the the possibility of either you or that trigger happy gun owner being on the other side of the door, I guess I would take my chances with the serial killer. If knocking at 2:30 in the morning is an ill advised idea, it wouldn't be any smarter to pound down the door, because I fear for my life, as some Axe wielding maniac is after me. That only gets you more spooked, and more likely to get me killed by being blasted through the door.

Perhaps I am too cautious with me life, but I would not be caught out there without a well-charged cell phone. Even if I were caught out there like that, I would be prepared.

Like I said before, IT IS ILL-ADVISED to knock on someone's door at 2:30am. If you think that is a good thing to do then by all means....GO FOR IT!!!!!

i would just have one of my white friends knock. that should solve everything. hell, maybe they can scream "there are black people chasing me."

I hope that helps for your. Again, my contention is DO NOT knock on someone's door that late at night. Practice good ORM and that **** will never happen to you.

new information on this case: the girl was NOT shot in the back of the head. It was in the front of the face. The shooter claims he thought she was trying to break into his house and the gun went off accidentally.

This actually sounds much more plausible. I take it no one here has ever held or shot a shotgun. The triggers on some is not forgiving, and if you are holding it and not certain of your shot...then it can go off if you flinch or pull with an uncertain gesture. It happens, but I don't think it was deliberate because seriously...NO shoots someone in the face with a shotgun unless you're an Al Capone wanna be.

I think the real culprit was Charl Huntress. Being scared means you shoot first and don't call the police 'cuz there's no time for that (even after ).

Like I said, I don't have time to debate your ******** at 2:30am when you are pounding on my door. Take that how you will. Anyone thinking properly (and/or properly prepared) would not put themselves in that situation. Obviously...this fool did and she didn't live to tell about it later.

 

[Asgard]

Like I said, I don't have time to debate your ******** at 2:30am when you are pounding on my door. Take that how you will. Anyone thinking properly (and/or properly prepared) would not put themselves in that situation. Obviously...this fool did and she didn't live to tell about it later.

What? So a 19 year old girl is a fool for looking for assistance after having been in a car accident? What's wrong with you?

I like how you dont find any fault with the trigger happy psycho and blame an innocent girl for getting shot in the face with a shotgun.

 

[charl_huntress]

What? So a 19 year old girl is a fool for looking for assistance after having been in a car accident? What's wrong with you?

I like how you dont find any fault with the trigger happy psycho and blame an innocent girl for getting shot in the face with a shotgun.

There is nothing wrong with me, but I do think there is something wrong with this scenario. If you can't see that then there is something wrong with you.

I don't find any fault with the gun owner because at 2:30am I am giving him/her the benefit of the doubt. This was not a normal time. Anyone thinking that a normal response was required is an absolute ****ing idiot.

 

[Marvolo]

I get it that in some areas you DO NOT go knocking on doors at 2:30am. You just dont. Its sad, but that's the way it is in some places. I live 30 minutes from an area like that. Police and ambulance response time is up to an hour which forces people to rely on their own defense and your likely to eat a bullet if you knock on a door. Given detroits crime history I'm not surprised this happened. Its riddled with crime and people are paranoid and rash. All this being said, the man never should have opened his door if he felt threatened. He had the gun and had a door between him and the girl. If she came through the door violently then by all means shoot. But until that happened there was no reason to shoot or fear for his life. The girl was not a threat and a simple logical evaluation of the situation by the man would have led him to the conclusion that he had nothing to fear if he didn't open his door and simply talked to her through the door and phoned the police.

 

[charl_huntress]

All this being said, the man never should have opened his door if he felt threatened.

We don't even know the circumstances of why he opened the door, of even if he opened the door. I don't live in this area.

Don't get me wrong, if this dude opened the door and carried on a normal conversation and then shot her (even accidentally). I would cry for his head, but the scenario of 2:30am, random car accident with no other person, random girl at night.... Well for me it's just all too....not right. That's why I am willing to give the shooter the benefit of the doubt.