Another Person Shot While Looking for Help

[charl_huntress]

Same to you squid!

 

[Hotwire]

I do give the girl the benefit of the doubt in the sense that at 19 I also made some stupid choices that could have easily ended my life. I guess for me because I grew up in a not-so-good neighbor where people have been shot for far less, I just can't see that as a choice I would have made. I am perplexed by it.

No you don't. You've condemned her every chance you've gotten. Even here you say she made a stupid choice. You've yet to say anything, at least not that I've seen*, calling the homeowners judgement into question. From what I gather, your stance is, if someone knocks on your door at 2:30 in the morning, you just shoot first and go back to bed. To Hell with the questions.


*If I'm mistaken, please, show me the post. I'll admit I was wrong.

 

[charl_huntress]

I do have a couple of opinions on the gun owner, but you are right I haven't voiced these. In my view, there were mistakes made on both sides. It just seems everyone who has voiced their opinion on this is of the belief the homeowner committed the act in cold blood. I don't think that is the case. I also question the decision to knock on someone's door that late at night, but it really isn't my intent to be offensive to the woman who died. I am truly sorry she is dead. She was a young woman with her whole life ahead of her. It's easy on MBs to let hyperbole get in the way. I hope that clears that up.

As for me...I am more cautious than the average person. Also my situation is a bit different in that I have cameras around my house. I also have a gated area that you have to bypass to get to my front door. If someone is banging on my door at that hour then they have hopped a fence to get in.

 

[Hotwire]

I do have a couple of opinions on the gun owner, but you are right I haven't voiced these. In my view, there were mistakes made on both sides. It just seems everyone who has voiced their opinion on this is of the belief the homeowner committed the act in cold blood. I don't think that is the case. I also question the decision to knock on someone's door that late at night, but it really isn't my intent to be offensive to the woman who died. I am truly sorry she is dead. She was a young woman with her whole life ahead of her. It's easy on MBs to let hyperbole get in the way. I hope that clears that up.

As for me...I am more cautious than the average person. Also my situation is a bit different in that I have cameras around my house. I also have a gated area that you have to bypass to get to my front door. If someone is banging on my door at that hour then they have hopped a fence to get in.

That's about the smartest post you've made yet. That being said, it's hard to shake the "cold blood" angle seeing as he just left her on the porch without calling anyone. Also, I can understand if someone's knocking on your door with that set up but, most houses don't have that and, it's very easy to knock on doors. (I used to knock on doors for a living.)

 

[Tropico]

She was traumatized in her teens by an attempted break in, that explains a lot.

 

[charl_huntress]

Don't be patronizing...it's not cute.

Seriously, if I had to put money on it I would say it was an accident and the homeowner didn't mean to shoot her, which might explain why he didn't call the police. He thought he did something wrong, or he freaked out. Either way he should have called the police after he fired that weapon at an intruder.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I think it should be a law that if you discharge a weapon in a populated area (specially if you hit someone) than you should be obligated to call police if not charges would be filed

 

[charl_huntress]

It is unlawful to shoot a gun in public in most states I believe.

 

[Marvolo]

I think it should be a law that if you discharge a weapon in a populated area (specially if you hit someone) than you should be obligated to call police if not charges would be filed

Nah thats impractical. I routinely shoot my gun and youre forgetting hunters. They shouldnt be obligated to call the police everytime they fire their gun. In my state any legal gun owner can shoot their gun outside of city limits without needing to contact authorities. Inside of city limits you don't have to contact authorities because its unlawful to discharge a weapon in city limits unless under certain circumstances. Outside or inside city limits if someone is killed you must contact authorities. That is already a law. Outside of city limits if someone is shot but not killed its up to the victim whether they contact authorities and press charges. If your shot and go to a hospital with a gunshot by law you have to submit to questioning at some point. Having been shot I've dealt with all of this. Its pretty straightforward.

 

[Hypestyle]

horrible scenario. blessings to the family of the deceased.

 

[The Question]

No, we don't know from the article posted if the person opened the door with a gun. We don't know that.



Like I said...go knocking on doors at 2:30am and see what you get.



Guess what. I don't give a ****. I'm scared because it 2:30am in the morning and this person on the porch has now scared me.

Again, point is...don't knock on anyone's door at 2:30am unless it is life or death because I (as the person on the other side of the door) don't have time to figure out your ********. Get the **** off my porch now or get shot!!!!That's your options.

Assuming that someone knocking on your door at 2:30 AM is there to hurt you is completely unreasonable. Generally, people who show up at 2:30 in the morning to do harm to you and your family just break in.

 

[The Question]

You might want to read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

 

[charl_huntress]

Assuming that someone knocking on your door at 2:30 AM is there to hurt you is completely unreasonable. Generally, people who show up at 2:30 in the morning to do harm to you and your family just break in.

Someone knocking on my door at that hour is someone I don't know, so I have no clue what their intentions may be. At that hour I'm also not inclined to find out. Also, in my case, I have a gate surrounding my front yard and the entrance is locked pretty much 80% of the time. If someone is at my door then they have hopped my fence to do so. The fence is an indication to stay out...if you trespass then you are doing so at your own risk.

You might want to read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

For what? I've already been called a victim blamer. That is still not going to change my mind that she made a poor decision.

 

[The Question]

Someone knocking on my door at that hour is someone I don't know, so I have no clue what their intentions may be.

How do you know that?

At that hour I'm also not inclined to find out.

Why are you less inclined at that hour than at other hours?

Also, in my case, I have a gate surrounding my front yard and the entrance is locked pretty much 80% of the time. If someone is at my door then they have hopped my fence to do so. The fence is an indication to stay out...if you trespass then you are doing so at your own risk.

Not everyone has a locked gate around their house though.

For what? I've already been called a victim blamer. That is still not going to change my mind that she made a poor decision.

To read a detailed description of what you're doing and why it's wrong, maybe?

 

[charl_huntress]

How do you know that?

Because everyone who knows me knows me. They know I am very cautious when it comes to my safety, and if you know me then you don't show up at my door at that hour without calling first.

Why are you less inclined at that hour than at other hours?

Because it's dark and at a night. I can't see everything clearly with my own naked eye. I'm relying on cameras and instincts and my first instinct is to protect myself.

Not everyone has a locked gate around their house though.

This I understand, but I do.

To read a detailed description of what you're doing and why it's wrong, maybe?

I don't think it's wrong to say she made a poor decision, or that I wish she would have made a better one.

 

[The Question]

I don't think it's wrong to say she made a poor decision, or that I wish she would have made a better one.

It's wrong to say she made a poor choice because she didn't make a poor choice. It is not reasonable, nor should it be, to expect knocking on someone's door in the middle of the night when you're far from home with no phone and you need help to be met with a shotgun to the face. It's not reasonable to respond to someone knocking on your door in the middle of the night by pointing a gun at them. Even if someone knocking on his door at 2:30 in the morning makes him fear for his life (which I still think is incredibly paranoid), he still has options, first and foremost being not opening the door and calling the police like you're supposed to. There are any number of things he could have done differently that didn't involve him killing a person. He's the one who made the poor choice, not her.

 

[Hotwire]

it's wrong to say she made a poor choice because she didn't make a poor choice. It is not reasonable, nor should it be, to expect knocking on someone's door in the middle of the night when you're far from home with no home and you need help to be met with a shotgun to the face. It's not reasonable to respond to someone knocking on your door in the middle of the night by pointing a gun at them. Even if someone knocking on his door at 2:30 in the morning makes him fear for his life (which i still think is incredibly paranoid), he still has options, first and foremost being not opening the door and calling the police like you're supposed to. there are any number of things he could have done differently that didn't involve him killing a person. He's the one who made the poor choice, not her.

Quoted. For. Truth!!!

 

[charl_huntress]

Everyone is playing this out like the homeowner just opened the door and shot her. Is that what happened?

I can only say at that hour people will normally be sleep, and while it may seem unreasonable to you to be scared that someone unknown is at your door at that hour. I for one completely understand it. And like I have said, since this is such a logical view shared by all then by all means go knocking on doors at 2:30am for whatever reason you choose to do so.

 

[Ant-manic]

Everyone is playing this out like the homeowner just opened the door and shot her. Is that what happened?

I can only say at that hour people will normally be sleep, and while it may not seem unreasonable to you to be scared that someone unknown is at your door at that hour. I for one completely understand it. And like I have said, since this is such a logical view shared by all then by all means go knocking on doors at 2:30am for whatever reason you choose to do so.

i wouldn't now that i know that there are idiots out there who see it as reasonable to murder a person for knocking.

 

[charl_huntress]

i wouldn't now that i know that there are idiots out there who see it as reasonable to murder a person for knocking.

Consider this a valuable lesson that you've learned then.

 

[Hotwire]

Everyone is playing this out like the homeowner just opened the door and shot her. Is that what happened?

He certainly didn't seem too upset about it. The fact that he didn't call 911 or even move the body tells me he didn't care one bit about the woman he shot in the face. He just left her there on the porch while, I can only assume he went back to bed. See, when people do things they feel bad about, they do one of two things. One, they confess. In this case, you call the cops and explain why this woman is laying dead on your front porch and hope they believe you. Or two, they hide it. In this case, moving the body where no one will find it in hopes the cops don't come looking for her at your house. This guy did neither of those things. That tells me he didn't care what happened. He didn't feel the least bit guilty about shooting a woman in the face with a shotgun.

 

[charl_huntress]

He certainly didn't seem too upset about it. The fact that he didn't call 911 or even move the body tells me he didn't care one bit about the woman he shot in the face.

Are you seriously saying for the little bit that has been released in this story that the "shooter" didn't care? Do you know this person?

C'mon....you are being dramatic and taking license based off reactions and responses of others. You know NOTHING about the shooter. Hell! I know nothing about him/her either, but I just feel something is wrong about this.

As for this person not calling the cops...

All I can say is people make bad choices at times when they are scared.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Are you seriously saying for the little bit that has been released in this story that the "shooter" didn't care? Do you know this person?

C'mon....you are being dramatic and taking license based off reactions and responses of others. You know NOTHING about the shooter. Hell! I know nothing about him/her either, but I just feel something is wrong about this.

As for this person not calling the cops...

All I can say is people make bad choices at times when they are scared.

Well, you did say that knocking on someone's door at 2:30 is a bad choice, even if they have an emergency, so why are you only applying this to the homeowner, and then turning around and calling the dead girl an idiot for knocking on a door at 2:30 when she was scared? News comes out that the homeowner didn't call the cops and left a dead girl on his front porch all night without doing anything about it, and you're STILL making excuses for him.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Are you seriously saying for the little bit that has been released in this story that the "shooter" didn't care? Do you know this person?

C'mon....you are being dramatic and taking license based off reactions and responses of others. You know NOTHING about the shooter. Hell! I know nothing about him/her either, but I just feel something is wrong about this.

As for this person not calling the cops...

All I can say is people make bad choices at times when they are scared.

It's rationale like this which is why gun owners should have to pass mental exams to own a firearm. You are delusional and the fact that people like you own a gun is why people like me have to fear for our safety when facing a distressed situation like this girl had to face.

 

[charl_huntress]

Well, you did say that knocking on someone's door at 2:30 is a bad choice, even if they have an emergency, so why are you only applying this to the homeowner, and then turning around and calling the dead girl an idiot for knocking on a door at 2:30 when she was scared? News comes out that the homeowner didn't call the cops and left a dead girl on his front porch all night without doing anything about it, and you're STILL making excuses for him.

I do not understand why that person didn't call the cops. That does not make sense to me. I have said this. However, as I have also said, at 2.30am the homeowner is justified to be wary. You don't see this then knock on doors that late at night and figure it out for yourself. Just go for it rather you need help or not!!! Just see what you get at that time of night.

The difference between my view and others is I am WILLING to give the homeowner the benefit of the doubt. I am NOT going to be blame him/her for being scared in his/her home at 2:30am. I'm just not going to do that. I also do think this was a situation that went terribly wrong. The "victim" was 19, probably not the brightest considering how things turned out.

It's rationale like this which is why gun owners should have to pass mental exams to own a firearm. You are delusional and the fact that people like you own a gun is why people like me have to fear for our safety when facing a distressed situation like this girl had to face.

lol...again...then be careful. In truth, I'm scared of your delusional ass.